Only enforcement will help. And consequences.
There are plenty of structural changes that can help.
Raised crosswalks are a major one.
It’s cute but this is from the same province that would rather blame immigrant drivers for road fatalities than the failing, inconsistent infrastructure and terrible driver training.
In Montreal, the drivers are bad enough that turning right on red lights was banned because we couldn’t stop killing pedestrians.
Turning on right policy was never enabled in Montreal. And wtf you going on about blaming immigrant drivers? Source please, because this sounds like some divisive bullshit from the ROC.
Yeah literally every time Quebec is brought up people say shit like that it’s insane
Put a stop sign up. No need for the ridiculously complex system. A simple stop sign would do.
But the crosswalk is a stop sign if a pedestrian is using it in most modern traffic codes, and even if you are only about to use it (visible intent to cross), 80 countries agree that is enough to give you right of way on a crosswalk. Visually a crosswalk is just completely unmistakable, so what would adding another stop sign do?
If those rules are unclear, maybe trafic education is lacking? Or maybe repercussions are not enough, maybe increase the fines or chance to get fined?
Interestingly Qatar, Macao and Singapore place the burden of safety on the pedestrians while crossing a crosswalk(very cool for pedestrians, famously lacking about 1 to 2 tons of steel cage to protect them during a collision with a car).
Because psychologically people are far less likely to run a stop than roll through a crosswalk with someone still in it, you know there’s a big fine for blowing a stop vs failing to yield which, plainly in this very video clip, nobody is likely to get ticketed for. And you completely sidestepped the maintenance and cost issues with this system. Guaranteed this thing is broken quickly and often.
Whatever. Y’all got some messed up logic.
I’m not advocating for this system anywhere, just that crosswalks should be more then enough in a lot of circumstances. Clearly, it’s not in Quebec.
Your statement that rolling a stop sign is less likely then a crosswalk seems crazy to me. They are both a stop sign. Both fines are very expensive here.
Because no one ever ignores stop signs, especially when they think they’re useless
There is no perfect system. This ridiculous and complex system is a maintenance nightmare, and following your logic, it’s just as possible someone will hit it.
If there’s a stop sign you’d need to come to a stop even if there’s no pedestrians at the cross walk. If cars would stop when there’s a pedestrian then they only need to stop when there’s a pedestrian.
As someone who seldom drives, sure put up a stop sign. But it would be better for drivers if it didn’t have to come to that.
If they can ignore the crosswalk, they can ignore stop sign. Raised crosswalk is significantly better, it both work as a crosswalk and a road bump, which people will have to slow down to prevent damage to their vehicles. Also this is ad campaign if you haven’t notice, it isn’t real.
Many drivers won’t stop unless they’re forced to by a physical barrier, and some still won’t stop. Ever seen those videos from Europe of bus lane bollards that retract when a bus approaches and pop back up again after the bus passes, and the cars wrecked on them? Those are much more solid barriers than these plastic things.
Is this some kind of joke I don’t get? Just have a law that pedestrians on crosswalks have priority and introduce a hefty fine for cars not stopping. Works flawlessly in other countries.
How is the above “a brilliant campaign”?
LMAO works flawlessly in other countries is a hilarious way to say that people still get hit by cars and are injured, or worse, in crosswalks where countries do have hefty fines for not stopping for pedestrians. Also someone would have to actually enforce that.
As a, quite sad, example - a child was killed at a crossing near a school near me when a person who wasn’t paying attention ran them over in the crosswalk. Guess what, here in America where I live there is a fine and it’s even more if you’re in a school zone. Did not flawlessly stop that kid from dying.
Well, I live in Europe and in my and in neighbouring countries it works overall flawflessly. Cars usually stop at pedestrian crossings, without anyone having to carry flags, warning lights etc.
Don’t want to sound rude, but the USA (I assume you refer to when talking about “america”) is really not a good example for anything when it comes to topics concerning considering others.
Also if there’s a lack of enforcement, maybe try less enforcing other shit and concentrate on enforcing things which are valueable for everyone. Freedom my ass…
British here, and yeah, pedestrians absolutely have priority over cars at zebra crossings. In my 45 years I can count on one hand the number of times motorists have zipped past without stopping to let me cross.
It’s a brilliant campaign because of lack of enforcement and entitled drivers that treat traffic laws as suggestions.
Not so brilliant for the people killed before the culture shifts, if it does at all.
Except that it will take much more than this to ‘motivate’ any car brain here to actually stop. Those stopping for pedestrian crossings here are the exception. So much so that some towns “don’t know what to do” about it and ask pedestrians to wave orange flags to cross busy streets.
We have those where I live. Crosswalk compliance is decent here, but these don’t get anyone to stop who wasn’t going to stop anyway, and they get stolen all the time.
Carry a closed umbrella and hold it out in front of you as you approach the crossing.
This triggers the car brain’s panic button, since it would scratch their paint if they hit it, which is much, much worse than endangering a human.I had to calm myself down when I realized how right you were and how fucked up that is.
I’m sorry if this uncalms you again, but I find it hilarious:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ0HBd_u-Fs
Really shows that drivers do see you approaching a crosswalk but just decide to ignore you, unless you equalize the power imbalance.
I prefer the bucket of bricks one over this marketing stunt
Will be broken after a few winters. Frozen water is not friend.
It’s only there to produce the video.
Everyone shown here, including the drivers, are acting.
No one suggests implementing this for real.They won’t last long enough to be damaged by ice before someone drives into them.
Imagine if all painted infrastructure did this haha.
Right at the end there it shows a side effect of this installation that by itself is useful in bringing the cars to a reasonable speed when approaching the crosswalk every time, not just when there’s a pedestrian: the crossing is raised.
Off the top of my head I can’t remember how common raised crossings are in Montréal, but they are effective. This demonstration is quite fun though, I was expecting a bunch of body guards to pop out and create a wall across the roadway and the instant fence caught me off guard.
Quebec W
I can already hear the carbrainrotten screaming “But thats dangerous, what if i run into it” as if the danger wasnt their own fault for going too fast and not yielding.
I’d be more worried about them coming back down on pedestrians.
Yeah ofc this specific implementation was just supposed to be an art piece i guess. In practice you just have to use those concrete pillars or ramps that come out of the ground.
They might get a few scratches from those flimsy flexible plastics but it’s not dangerous.
They’ll definitely compassion about the possibility for scratches screaming, “that could damage my property!” though.
Make them metal bars that rise up, like those that are placed at the entrance of some stores to deter vehicular raid. That will quickly make them re-evaluate.
Bollards
Thank you! Learned a new word.
Yeah make them reinforced barriers.
Some places know their drivers and have some serious barriers popping up.
