what is the furthest you’d go immorally for a fresh salary? Hell I’d work for Palantir for a nice $250k or be a manager at Evil Corporation Inc if I got a crisp $300k.
or are you a goody two shoes who will stand by your principles even if it means pain!
Not for a salary. My morals are holding out for some kind of corruption at least.
There’s a recent Ezra Klein on “salaries are for suckers” as relates to our tax code and how the billionaires evade taxation.
Income tax is set up to gouge us, working class, skilled and unskilled, from those working at Taco Bell to Doctors, while letting stock holder based income remain untouched.
More than I’d probably care to admit to myself.
I once quit a well-paying job on the spot.
I was asked to write nuclear reactor safety specifications that I did not feel remotely qualified to write.
It depends on how dispersed the consequences are. Definitely no single human life is ruined.
I’d steal a dollar from a 100k people.
I’d not steal 100k from one person if they’re not a multimillionaire at least.
Interesting question. I think it partially depends on how high up in the company I am, and how much I could damage them without being caught.
I’ll swallow a lot more than my morals for enough money honey 😉
When I was younger, I wouldn’t have cared that much.
Now I would not work for criminals anymore.
I am good at my job, so my work has impact. If I worked for the bad guys, then that would mean my work turns the world in a bad direction. Every day.
How you spend your days is how you spend your life.
Worked for a payday loan company for a while about a decade back. Supposedly one of the better ones to borrow from, and they always said internally it was about getting the customers financial options - but still didn’t feel great. Stuck with it for four years or so though.
Now I’ve got kids, and they like to know what their parents do. Had to job hunt last half of last year, and skipped several nice positions at big places because of what they do. Landed a position at a local place for less than I wanted, but the perks and culture make up for it. And I’m happy to tell my kids where I am.
My wife knew what the first place was about, and she accepted it even if neither of us was wild about it. But these days, we like to be role models - makes a big difference.
I have no code of ethics, I will kill anyone, anywhere. Children, animals, old people. Doesn’t matter! I just love money!
What experience do you being to fill this position?
Sounds more like you like killing.
Well, it’s not exactly a cheap hobby!
Sure I’ll take the Palantir job and do work that’s at best useless and at worst actively damaging them , then keep trying to pin the blame on others. Let’s see how long they’ll keep paying me.
I’d lie my way into a position that can run on autopilot for a few months, while I line up the next scam. The real skill would be maintaining the ruse across organizations, while actively working against the environments I would con my way into.
This question really highlights how this is by design.
The system becomes more and more expensive to exist in, forcing people to choose money over morals every day just to survive.
Because if you’re living paycheck to paycheck, of course you’ll work for raytheon.
Of course youll take that 50k cash for joining the ICE gestapo.
Of course you’ll only ever buy the cheapest shit from amazon and temu despite then using slave labour and killing factory workers.
Of course you’ll give up your morals to not have to live like everyone else that’s been made into the impoverished 90% of the population, on the astronomical chance you’ll get a taste of the 1% life.
Buying less is the closest thing you can do to an ethical choice. So I have started to grow some of my own food and encourage friends to come round mine instead of going to a restaurant, plus I can make better food and brew my own mead.
How many people working at Auschwitz were justifying it by needing the money, what did they need the money for?
nobody working for raytheon is working paycheck to paycheck. their starting salaries are over 100K for entry level jobs.
not to mention they make a lot more they weapons. they make radars and sensors.
You misread my comment. I said “If you’re living paycheck to paycheck, of course you’ll work for raytheon” meaning that someone who is living on the edge of homelessness will give up their morals and take the job at raytheon, because of the money.
Radars and sensors for what, schoolbuses? Hospitals?
A company making military hardware doesn’t need to make explosives for them to be making weapons.
The same way these AI companies don’t have to pull the trigger, they just provide server space to run their ‘target acquisition’ software and let the jackbooted thugs do the rest.
someone living on the edge of homelessness won’t ever be hired by them. Their workforce is upper middle class professionals.
for aviation and boats and civilian applications. they also make navigation systems, autopilots, etc.
I have friends who work for Raytheon, last time I checked they were just nerdy engineers, not jackbooted thugs.
When you’re in a wilful misrepresentation competition and your opponent is an online commenter…
I didn’t say your friends were jackbooted thugs. I am talking about the people and governments that these companies supply.
I would, however, say your friends are working for a company that is actively arming and supporting ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Salary level has nothing to do with “living paycheck to paycheck.” I’ve met plenty of well paid people that fit that description. Either because of cost of living or just because they’re dumb and can’t live below their means.
How far would you swallow your morals for money?
OP: Hell I’d work for Pаlаntir for a nice $250k
I’m pretty sure OP went as far as they could…
I already work a job that conflicts with my veganism so I can afford my transition :/
It would depend on what would it entail, for how long, how much, etc. It is a balance.
Right now I earn very little but I’m doing fine with zero headaches. So I would need a huge lot more than if I didn’t have a job or really need the money for something.
Anyone that would sell out for something as petty as money is, in my opinion, human garbage.
say this again after you’ve gone a few years broke
You’re right that people often do desperate things when impoverished, but it’s not like it absolves them of any morality.
Been broke my whole life, I dont fear poverty. Sell your soul for money, youre a shit human.
I’ve been broke, even homeless, and I agree with @Bizzle@lemmy.world. Of course, that’s part of how I ended up that way.
I’m not gonna judge what someone else might stoop to to feed their kids.
I’m lucky enough to be in a position where I can be picky - not everyone gets to say that
What if its a lot of money that you could use for good? Or if the alternative is being unemployed, losing your house and family.
Where the hell your family going? They arnt family because youre broke? There are other jobs? There are family rooms in homless shelters? Grab a tent?
Must be nice to live a life where you have never been pushed by everyone close to you to take literally any job no matter what and made to feel like a failure for not finding one.
I dont keep people like that close to me. Luck? Not so much, strong boundaries, yeah.
Can’t move out without money, also got the media and government employees making you feel worthless for being unemployed.
Well thats on you for letting “media and government” opinions have effect. Those influences shouldnt hold value in your own opinion of yourself.
I got booted out on my own at 17, state put me in a shelter until I turned 18. Was homeless multiple times until I found a carrer I thought ethical. Like I said, poverty doesnt scare me. Working for someone who is the boot on folks neck do. Im also nerodivergent, and literally cant stand to stay in a place, living or working, that infringes on mine or others freedoms. I go without, a lot. Found the most community I’ll ever probably expierence, in the lowest of places. I like the low places. Suits and tie types scare me.
State assistance types who look down on folks should rot in their chairs. Again, their opinion doesnt change facts. If you qualify, you qualify, miss nancy on her high horse can eat a dick.
I’ve walked miles in car centric infanstructure, with groceries I had to scrape up money to afford strapped to my back in 100degree heat, all the while cursing the suburban moms in their cars with their AC thinking, “Im stronger than youll ever be”.
Ones own will is a tool to be wielded.
When you have nothing, you have a different type of freedom.
It’s okay by me to accept help where you can, give back where you can, and the people who abuse power are so, so very small (not in numbers but in personhood)
False choice allows to justify anything.
You can also find a job that pays less but allows you to live with yourself in the values you’ve chosen.
