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The difference is that LLMs generate something that is designed to blend in. It’s supposed to convince someone that it was made by a human.
So, a “vibe constructed” house would probably look like a real house to someone who didn’t know much about houses. But, the pipe from the sink might just go into a space between the walls. The electrical system would be a random mess of lines that would short out as soon as it was connected to the grid. The doors might look right at first, but when you tried to open one you’d see that the hinges were installed in a way that opening it was impossible.
That was my first thought as well, it would have the appearance but not the function.
Seen a home where the dish washer pipe just went into the wall and ended. Mixed copper and aluminum wire. The way doors opened was random.
The vibe builder might not be much different than what we have.
A while ago, there was a a YouTube video of people laughing at AI generated floorplans.
Because of course there was a company that tried to make an AI floorplan generator without a shred of thinking. They posted the “good” ones on their website, and even they had obvious weird details like completely misproportionate rooms, having ten bathrooms in a small house, and just straight up missing doors everywhere.
Yeah, the fact that they still tried to sell or use so much AI slop that still had major flaws should have been a clear sign that you should never trust marketers because they’ll still try to push obvious garbage as if it is amazing. Same thing with those early coke AI ads that were just a series of unrelated scenes that look ok until you look any closer, but someone greenlighted it despite all that.
They were phoning it in so hard they pushed what were technical demos at best as final products.
Though from my perspective, I already had inverse trust based on apparent ad budget even before AI slop showed up because enshitification and apathy about actual quality were rampant long before AI slop was a thing.
The thing is while LLMs do make mistakes when you have something you can drive conformance with they are actually pretty good (eventually)
For electrical or plumbing we can simulate those pretty well and a LLM can iterate until it gets a reasonable output since it can check its work against a simulator.
You could likely live in a house for a bit before you stumbled into something stupid. You could live your entire life and not notice if you never tore out the walls.
However if you went to change a light switch you might discover it used 3 different kinds of screws and the screw terminals are mislabeled.
You might be shocked to hear this but all of those issues happen with no AI involved at all. Every time a bastard is born you should slap an engineer.
One good way to realize how unreliable LLM is was to ask something that you are expert of.
Manny people say that they aren’t experts in anything so that won’t work well for them, but here is one way.
Reddit made a deal with Google and OpenAI to send their data to them. I don’t know if the deal with OpenAI is still valid as ChatGPT responses were a bit outdated, but Gemini definitively is getting the latest data.
If you have a Reddit account ask it about yourself, or someone you know well IRL. This works really will of it is an old account.
First responses might sound right but as you talk you see how it invents things and does so in convincing matter. You don’t correct it, just ask more about it and how it will provide additional information backing it up, including links to Reddit posts (which don’t mention any of it).
It is quite amazing. LLM is being sold to us as it can automate jobs but it real purpose is to be used on social media to manipulate our options. The bullshitting (oh, sorry, I mean “hallucination”) is a feature.
https://mashable.com/article/anonymous-researchers-used-ai-on-reddit-debate-forum
There will be a 3D printer some day that prints at a molecular level and then you’ll have vibe manufacturing. That will enable vibe construction.
It’s funny, but there has long been a paradigm in programming called test-driven development or TDD. The idea is that you have a small number of experienced developers who write a suite of tests that an application has to pass, and then you let an army of newbies write whatever the hell they feel like writing and if their code passes the tests it goes into the application (somewhat snarky summary but not entirely). In my experience it does not produce solid applications but a large fraction of the programming world swears by it. I’ve always thought that the construction analog of TDD would be letting a bunch of inexperienced workers build houses and then the experienced contractors drive around in bulldozers knocking down anything that happens to not be built well enough.
I mean, imagine we had Star Trek technology. You can create a 3D model of a house. Press a button, and in a bright flash of light, an entire building appears, assembled by magitech atom-by-atom into a new form. You can literally create a building at a press of a button. And in turn you can also have the building disintegrated and recycled at the press of a button.
In such a world, where the only real work is the design process? Constructing buildings IRL and testing them at full scale would be a perfectly viable way of designing buildings. It’s only completely impractical now due to the immense cost of materials, assembly, and disassembly. The same would apply if you were a magical genie that could simply summon buildings into being.
And that ease of construction/deconstruction is what would be necessary to make construction comparable to programming. All the work in programming is in creating the code. Once something has been written, it takes no effort to copy a file from one place and produce a second copy somewhere else.
Test driven development is moreso
- You know what real life scenarios you’re solving for. Basically, this is the problem statement of your design.
- You write out these tests to say your service must pass these tests in order for it to be considered working. In order to consider problem x solved, the service must do y.
- You make the first iteration of your service to just repeat exactly what the tests want it to output (basically to create a skeleton with a bunch of magic numbers)
- You make the second iteration. What magic numbers can you remove and actually implement for? What workaround can be fixed? Are they still passing the test? If they start failing the test, you should relook at what you wrote and debug from there (this assumes your tests are rightfully written).
- You keep continuing with that process until you have a service that fits your test cases and without mocks
The obvious flaw is that 1 is almost never truly accurate. Scope usually changes, and assumptions made probably invalidate your test. It is a valid way of thinking though, because it helps define your expectations, and reduces the likelihood of you making something that misses the target.
For what it’s worth, when we say we do TDD in my team, we write a singular test case that fails, then we implement the production code until the test case works. Then maybe do a bit of refactoring to make it all work nicely together, and only then you start with the next test case.
Writing swathes of unit tests upfront sounds absolutely mad to me, for the reason you state. But also because you do need an API to test against. You can’t write a unit test in complete isolation, pretty much by definition. You can often do so for integration tests, but you definitely don’t want to put all test cases into integration tests, as that increases complexity massively…
This is closer than you think. Take this lovely floorplan (and that’s one of the better ones I’ve seen):
And yes, there’s multiple companies offering this as a service:
https://gen.hexa3d.io/free-online-ai-floorplan-generator/minimalist
The font on your image looks like the ChatGPT image generator though, is it really from one of these services?
Not sure where this particular image is from. Could have been ChatGPT. But I’ve seen some of these from actual AI plan services that weren’t much better.
Hey I mean on first glance it just looks fine.
Then you notice the cars can’t leave.
Then the bedroom goes into the garage. Then you can’t enter the dining hall except through the front door.
Then the bedroom where you walled in your child without any way out…
And then there’s the fact that two of the bedrooms have no way to get to the kitchen and living room - you have to go out the garage and in the front door.
Hey, it’s not all bad for the kid walled in that bedroom - they can just crawl in and out the window, so they’re not trapped in there forever. No idea how they’re going to have any furniture though. Guess it’s gotta all be stuff that can be disassembled to be small enough to go through the window.
But its worth it because you get to drive 2 giant cars. Those things are like 30ft long and 10ft wide. You’ll be king of the road. Also who doesn’t want back to back bathrooms.
It’s perfectly possible to build this. Just build the house around the car!
And, as a bonus, that car will add very few miles to the odometer every year.
I don’t see the issue. Americans love cars and they love AI. This has both
Spoiler
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Sarcasm: They must also love both the hospital visits and their insurances scamming them.
Before it was cool
Typical Sims 4 home
That is ideal window masturbating windoe, I must say. Better then Michael Bay windoe
Is that GroverHaus?
Wait until you find out about how this is pretty much new home construction anyways.
What do you mean? We shouldn’t let men who constantly lie about what 9 inches looks like be the ones measuring insulation in the attic?
But seriously, buddy just bought a brand new home and I did a once over for him. Pretty sure my cat has made more well done hairballs
I was helping my dad put some shelving into the alcoves at their new house and it was horrendous. Those things weren’t even close to square. Fortunately we cut them based off how wide it was at the front and not the back… Just looking around that place there’s a ton of shit that was clearly half-assed. I still don’t understand what they were thinking with this because their old place was rock solid and they didn’t gain anything by moving.
I hope for your sake that was it. Some of the walls in those new houses I’ve seen lean from top to bottom. Like, a crown is expected, this is a straight up Michael Jackson Thriller impression. It blows my mind that’s it’s cheaper to slap them together and have to redo whole walls post drywall than do it right the first time.
They seemed to be pretty straight top to bottom. Wouldn’t surprise me if there’s issues like that somewhere though. I’m excited (not) to inherit that place one day probably just as it’s falling apart for good.
Eh. The land will at least retain some value.
I still don’t understand what they were thinking with this
They were thinking, “damn, we can’t even afford this half of an ass with how low we bid to get this job.”
If you can believe it, it’s more to do with the commercial interests that develop these properties don’t want to pay to do things right so it ends up being cut corners and underpaid labour on anything that doesn’t help you sell it for a quick buck
We shouldn’t let men who constantly lie about what 9 inches looks like be the ones measuring insulation in the attic?
You must watch Cy Porter.
I’ve seen some here or there but more like I’ve crawled in new home attics and wondered why I could see the ceiling below.
Imagine if all plumbing was made out of cardboard. Sinks, toilets, pipes.
That’s modern computing.
It’s not all plumbing, sure, but there are actually (basically) cardboard pipes. They are called Orangeburg Pipes, but they’ve long since been phased out. They are still installed all over the place, however.
Groverhaus did this before it was cool.
That’s when you punch that man and sue him for false advertising.
This is meant as a joke but it’s very much a real thing and has been for a long time. Visit an unincorporated area that doesn’t have a permit office and you’ll see some crazy shit. Visit the third world and it’ll blow your mind.
If I was Mario I could male the bottom jump but I’m not so I die.
I mean, I’m not aware if Mario has ever explicitly stated his gender identity is male, but that is assumedly the case. So therefore, he should be able to male just about anything he wants to do.
#3 would be a fantastic hide and seek spot if you add a hatch and a small rug
That is for reconstruction purposes
If you’re being serious, could you elaborate? If this actually serves some real function, I would be curious!
Number one radiates “It broke and was easier to do stairs, saved budget on railing.” Which I get.
I just like number three. Good use of space.
That last one is like if Escher went to arch school
I kinda dig the double balcony tbh.
Seriously, who wouldn’t want to hang out on bunk balconies
I want to take this to insanity. Imagine this but a 50 story version. The only way to access all 50 balconies is from the top one. And the bottom one is like, ten floors above the ground. So no accessing it via a step ladder. The whole thing is a monument to madness. To do anything on the bottom balcony, you must first go down fifty floors of ladders. Then you go have a pint or whatever on the bottom balcony. Then when you’re done, you have to climb UP 50 stories worth of ladders!
I like Escher. I did a project on him in Art class. We had one each year. I did Du Champ and Dali as well. I have become a fan of Basquiat recently because of my life partner.
Rings some bells, but it was Matisse and Manet for me. Didn’t really know Basquiat’s work until I saw the Geoffrey Wright biopic in the 90s.
TIL the Whos were vibe contractors.
I feel like because of their size, weight distribution may be a less pressing (haha) concern.
For a recent project, I learned to do some basic house wiring and installed some new light fixtures in our house. I got it inspected and permitted, but it was fun to learn how to DIY that.
Anyway, since then I’ve been joking with my husband about getting business cards made up:
NAME
Unlicensed Electrician. Unbonded. Uninsured.
You should and pass them out to friends and see if anyone notices.
We call them trunkslammers, been around forever.
American engineering...
Is that Bobby Mortaher?
I think you mean Bobby Moneyham
Bobby Morninghand
