most happy and healthy kids have a unique desire to learn and trying to suppress that is unhealthy
things like screen time, finish your plate, etc
screen time is just a limit on time to learn if the kid is using it for the right purposes which you should teach them to
“finish your plate” I was never told that as a kid and I devour anything that is given to me
I left the post stand despite a report, but OP appears to be sealioning in the comments, so…locking.
Many adults arent wise
indeed
but wisdom does not come with age, it comes with curiousity and thought
screen time is just a limit on time to learn if the kid is using it for the right purposes which you should teach them to
Emphases mine. So many parents just plop their kid down in front of a TV or tablet and use it like a babysitter. They don’t teach kids media literacy and just let “the algorithm” keep them entertained so they can have some peace and quiet. And that’s assuming the parents have the requisite media literacy to pass on - many don’t.
im starting my kids on a ctf VPS on a locked down android. If they can pwn it, they get more access obviously
sorry honey you need you need to pwn to own
Experience I guess. Also most people stay allergic to wisdom way past 18.
considering the brain doesn’t stop maturing until at LEAST 25.
The screens are designed to be addicting. That’s not hyperbole. They literally use data scientists to increase the amount of time and money you spend on them. The longer you scroll, the more time you’re playing the game, the more money the developers make on average. Online service providers don’t care about your wellbeing. Your parents do. Just like there’s more food than chips and cake, there’s more to life than being on a screen. Investing in long term hobbies, skills, and friendships won’t have the instant gratification to compete with a video game, but 10 years from now you will think back way more fondly on your hours skateboarding or learning to play guitar than the ones you lost online.
depends on the way you use it
as a kid, most of the times I WASNT playing vids games but accessing free digital information
and I could wire up an esp32 to a 3 inch display and it’d be a “SCREEN”
and if you use a FOSS enviroment like graphene, this doesnt apply
I “lost online” are you kidding me? I would be homeless and destitute right now if I didnt have the skills I learned from SCREENS as a kid
all of this only applies if you consume TechSlop
You’re totally amazing and stuff but I’m sure you realise that most kids aren’t using their devices to learn.
Obviously, if a kid was reading wikipedia like you did then their parent would relax the screen time rule.
I’m glad you dropped by to tell us all how special you are but I dont really understand the point of this post.
teach them how to use the devices to learn all kids and humans in general have curiosity that needs to be unlocked with wisdom
teach them to use foss
teach them to read wikipedia and github/codeberg
dont limit, add
Wow you just solved parenting. I cant believe everyone else is so stupid. Amazing.
this is a very new situation with various perspectives
I am just giving you guys advice on how to deal with it as someone who specialises in “screens” and how they work
You realize you are on Lemmy, right? You are SURROUNDED by people who specialize in “screens”.
clearly not as I can see
you can’t see past your own ego
they don’t. most people have zero curiosity and don’t want to learn.
you’re projecting your own experience. and besides, what you want to learn is probably very tiny slice of what is out there and there are plenty of things others want to learn you don’t or think is stupid.
This is 100% bullshit, most people enjoy learning when it’s presented in an engaging manner. Modern western education systems are not designed to facilitate learning in a natural and enjoyable way, they are designed to psychologically brutalize normal humans into a state of submission sufficient to keep them laboring quietly and profitably for the rest of their lives.
I doubt that humanity would survive pretty long then
humans are born with curiosity and want to learn
and I do not think anything is stupid until I learn about it
how old are you? you argue like a 16 year old.
a bunch of grandiose statements that are mostly your own projects of yourself into the world.
the irony being that your commentary in this thread prove that you are unwise and inexperienced in the world, and that young people are not wise. and you feel like your some counter-example, but all you are showing is you are a perfect example of and arrogant teenager who thinks lacks the maturity to understand the world exists outside of themselves and their experiences are incredibly limited.
im about three and a half thank you for the compliment
Are humans born with curiosity, or does curiosity need to be unlocked with wisdom? You’ve said both now.
they are born with it, but it needs to be unlocked
Who are you telling to do all of that? Just, like all parents? Do you think all parents are in this thread?
just the parents in this thread
And why exactly do you think that you have solved this problem? Are you under the impression that you’re the first person to think about this?
I dont really understand the question so correct me if im misinterpreting.
Because (in most cases) kids lack wisdom even when they know a lot. The reason screen time is being limited is generally because they arent using it in healthy moderation. People arent telling kids to finish their plate when they have no issue finishing the plate.
Kids do need the rules and guidance because they do not have the life experience to make proper value judgements for things a long time into the future. Some kids do but most do not.
screen time is just a limit on time to learn if the kid is using it for the right purposes which you should teach them to
Part of that is teaching them moderation. Spending 12 hours a day on a screen, even if “learning”, is not healthy.
how? literally all modern devices have blue light protection mode
Well for one thing, those are 12 hours where you’re not moving whatsoever. Going outside, doing sports, talking to people in real life etc are all important for our physical and mental health.
how do you assume im not moving? raspberry pi soldered to ebike
…And you’re constantly looking at that screen while moving? Obviously, nobody would count riding a bike with a speedometer screen as “screen time”.
it has 8 gigs of ram
im running a custom OS on there
What do you think the biggest source of blue light is for most people?
maybe the giant ball in the sky emitting tons of it?
It locks your brain and senses into restricting patterns
all of you are using techslop… I feel pain in my chest
No, you have lost touch or you have never been in touch with the many possibilities and opportunities for growth and learning which exist outside of electronic devices. I am not remotely saying there is nothing of value online, or within technology. There is incredible value and a staggering amount of information (of various quality). But when you attain more wisdom you will see that that also applies to things outside of electronic devices and denying yourself that information and interaction is rejecting knowledge and personal growth.
I learn a bunch of stuff both online and offline
assuming “outside electronic devices” includes their insides such as MCUs, MPUs, ICs, etc
I do believe you have learned plenty outside of interacting with electronic devices. And I am not saying you have to leave your niche either, if you are fulfilled and stimulated that’s great.
But to suggest that you can learn and understand everything within your tiny bubble is really demonstrating a lack of depth and wisdom… At least you should be able to understand and accept that you are choosing to disengage with a vast amount of knowledge that cannot be provided by your current sphere of interest. If you accept that, then that is a good start.
It doesn’t mean your pursuit of knowledge is invalid or useless. But an important piece of growth that sometimes but not always comes with age is beginning to grasp the vastness of what you don’t know, how much is out there that you cannot even begin the comprehend.
The other side of this is a bit physiological. You mentioned in another comment that may skills and concepts learned outdoors have analogues online (like navigating the internet). I just wanted to add that these are very different. Our brains have evolved for millions of years to navigate a physical environment and have unique mechanisms to do that based on vision, smell, even magnetic forces. The inherent attuning of our brains to the physical world is why things like using a mind palace technique for memory are so powerful. There are many other mechanisms like that which can’t always be exercised in a meaningful way via the internet or technology, and which contain their own opportunities for knowledge and growing ones understanding.
I suspect the very small number of people I have blocked on the Fediverse are minors or very young adults. You can tell.
you only think “you can tell” as you only notice when it’s obvious - same with face surgery, trans people, etc
screen time is just a limit on time to learn if the kid is using it for the right purposes
There is much learning to be had out in the real world also. A balance of the two is important. Limits should be in place if the kid naturally spends too much time on one or the other.
“finish your plate” I was never told that as a kid and I devour anything that is given to me
If you did it on your own, why would anyone ever tell you to do it?
Some people are good at one thing and some at the other
if I placed simone biles infront of a dying ssd and asked her to solder wires to the infochips inside to recover data, itd be insane
if I placed joe grand on a gynmastics field, expecting him to achieve an olympic jump, itd be insane
and I didnt finish it first, or a lot of times. My parents just ate the rest themselves or threw it away.
Yes, over time one or more specializations will naturally emerge. But even then time should still be spent on other kinds of experiences and knowledge. A person who only knows one thing is both helpless in life, and a rather booring person. Always at least experiment with new things so if you need them in the future you aren’t completely clueless.
can you name 5 skills someone can learn from “playing outside”
I can easily. What kind of environment do you have around? City, suburban, rural? Woods, plains, desert?
5 universal skills would be: navigation, hazard detection, problem assesment and solving, self reliance, physical endurance.
- navigating the internet
- cybersecurity
- collaborations ie. github project or codeberg project
- cybersecurity
- you can do that with a good diet
I don’t get it.
Did you reply to the wrong comment?
None of that has anything to do with what I wrote?just telling you where you could learn the same skills online
Socializing with strangers.
Socializing within a group setting.
Self preservation skills.
Danger assessment skills.
Fishing.
I get it, you’re not vegan, why do you have to bring it up ten times a day
- the core basis of internet chats
- same
- enhancing your security online
- Cybersecurity
- why would I need that to live
- Completely different IRL.
- Completely different IRL.
- Completely different IRL.
- Completely different IRL.
- Do you not eat fish?
Are you currently plugged into the matrix? Or are you living bag of water taking in oxygen and emitting CO2 like the rest of us? Are you seriously trying to downplay the value of IRL experience in favor of a terminally online life? If so you’re proving why the adults in you’re own question are right.
- I outsource my fishing to fishermen
I go on plently walks a day, with my phone ofcourse and eat right you dont gotta be an outdoorsman to be healthy and happy
- why would I meet total strangers irl where they can stab me instead of online meetups?
and who has a whole fishing lake in the average city nowadays
its all barren brutalist concrete
The fact you don’t see the potential there on your own makes it clear that you have plenty of room to grow in your own wisdom
that they cant also learn online
Yes, my answer is the same. You are conflating learning with pure comprehension of factual information. Learning and knowledge and wisdom involve much more than that.
…
Because they are.
Hell there is a substantial number of people who stay allergic to wisdom their entire lives.
ive met a lot of kids with wisdom
The plural of anecdote is not data
Banger T-shirt design!
because your front cortex doesn’t mature until your mid 20s.
that’s what controls impulse control and long term thinking.
adults around social media think
LOL at that title.
Well, social media are the shithouse walls of the internet, and the lowest kinds of people can write all nonsense there all the time. Don’t expect anything better than that.
Because you don’t have the experience to have any wisdom at that point. You might have knowledge, but knowledge and wisdom are not the same thing.
I remember me when I was a teenager: I was a dumbass.
Everybody I knew from school? Also some sort of dumbass.
I was slightly less of a dumbass at 18, but still definitely a dumbass. I think that number just gets settled on because it’s the legal age where you are considered an adult (though by actual biological standards, your brain doesn’t even finish developing until 7 years later).
Is it stupid? You bet!
That’s probably the main reason for it though. More likely than not, you’ll look back at your teenage years 20-30 years later (or sooner) and realize how foolish you were. Wisdom usually comes with age (though not always).
that is YOU and YOUR enviroment
“Wisdom usually comes with age”
age is like the last factor Usually NO ONE teaches you wisdom until you are old and then you have enough time for it
This is why im so happy I grew up around extremely wise people and the catholic church
No one ever teaches you wisdom. Wisdom is something you gather on your own with experience. Wisdom can’t be taught or there would be a lot more of it.
and the catholic church
Ah, I see what’s happening here. Trolling.
am I the only catholic on lemmy?
I don’t think Catholicism is the source of your downvotes…
if the kid is using it for the right purposes
Most aren’t. You can tell who the iPad kids are real quick.
Too much screen time is bad regardless of how productively you’re using it. And kids have much less control over their impulses to know when they’ve had enough.
