One may well ask: “How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?” The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that “an unjust law is no law at all.”

• Martin Luther King Jr. in Birmingham Jail 1963

Dbzer0 civility rules aim to protect marginalized people from harassment. feddit.org’s are being deployed to protect Zionism from criticism while tone-policing Palestinians and their allies. These aren’t the same thing just because they both use the word ‘civility.’

feddit isn’t exactly enforcing civility neutrally. They’re silencing anti-Zionism while treating Zionist positions as the default that deserves civil engagement. That’s a political choice with the fig leaf of ‘just following orders the law’, hardly ‘basic logic’. But thanks for explaining to a silly girl like me

piefed.social keeps a hidden trust score that goes down when people do stuff the piefed dev personally doesn’t like. there was recently a bunch of drama about it

Heck if I know, but at least we know of the ones who are (eg.: feddit.org are “good German soldiers”).

Counterpoints:

• regarding “CCP politics and shadow profiling”, it’s referring to a few content filters that Piefed can do, but they are disabled by default and are all configurable: https://piefed.zip/c/fediverse/p/1005977/piefed-admin-settings-that-allow-to-enable-or-disable-content-filters-they-are-disabled-by#post_replies
• regarding “a chip against heteronormativity and weirdness”, https://piefed.blahaj.zone/ is using Piefed, which they probably wouldn’t do it the dev was a bigot. Also, pronouns are built-in the platform.

If you want to know a bit more about Rimu, the main Piefed dev, he made an interview a couple of months ago: https://tubefree.org/w/jLPZXv1Jynv7LRcuoteARf

He’s usually quite nice and helpful. That’s not always the case with people who try to spread disinformation about Piefed.

The members of db0 who don’t want to see and hear Zionists indeed do have the power to change their instance and did, so I don’t get what you mean by saying they don’t have the power to change the world so it’s petty.

Why do you feel offended by the fact that another instance wants to ensure a safe space for its users?

What’s wrong with calling Hamas terrorists? They have randomly but deliberately killed innocent people. How else would you describe that?

• You, calling the resistance to zionism “terrorists”.

Yes

I would argue that this would be the minority of users, not the majority.

.world user here, I am defending them. Are they a lost cause because they don’t support mass murder or are they are lost cause because they support international justice?

I don’t see how it’s bad faith to call an instance that has taken a stance in favor of a genocide "genocide apologist. They are doing genocide apologia. If you aren’t a genocide apologist, you should leave the genocide apologist instance, same as leaving the nazi bar if you aren’t a nazi.

No? I hope not, or joining DB0 would be a completely strange action. But you seem to think that their explicit rules on Zionism would not mean that they would act on a zionist-bar-like instance.

Look at the response in context of Feddit. Its not a critique of you, per se, its a critique of the German law/ idealogical approach. Lets suggest, in your words, a full “national socialist” genocide is at least possible in this day and age. The world did no know the full extent of Germany’s action until well into the process.

If we rely on the logic of the German approach, we wouldn’t be able to call the thing a thing until its too late. The point being made is that if you wait long enough to be able to a full historical analysis, you’ve effectively become an apologist for genocide on the basis of a lack of evidence.

And I would argue that Israels actions over the previous 80 years are extremely comparable to what the National Socialists did in Germany, and in some ways, even more disgusting. Germany ran concentration camps for around 12 years. Israel has been running them for almost 80. Germany treated it as a war of extermination. Israel is running it as a war of extermination. What other than a death camp would you call Israelli detention facilities?

The only difference is that we have the opportunity to stop Israel in its tracks, now, as its becomes clear the Israelies are not going to stop until the entire Palestinian population is eliminated. Disallowing or diminishing comparisons between the most famous historical genocide and the ongoing Israeli genocide in Palestine supports genocide

The ability to recognize the genocide in Gaza as a genocide is very much there

Only while saying the people resisting it are also wrong and doing Holocaust exceptionalism in defense of liberal zionists, lmao.

And now let’s go back to the original zionist accusations. The original comment was removed because of the last part of it, which said “Providing material support to Israel is no different from providing material support to Nazi Germany”. As much as people don’t want to see it, the situation in Gaza is actually different than the situation in Nazi Germany. The Jewish population in Nazi Germany never launched rockets at Germans, in fact, jewish people in Nazi Germany were exceptionally peaceful. In Gaza, there is genocide happening, there is a power differential, and Palestinians need to fight back, but there is simply no rational denying that it’s not the same as the genocide in Nazi Germany.

The original comment was good and correct. Supporting one settler state committing genocide is actually the same as supporting another.

I’m completely aware that this originally started with the zionist invasion of palestine in the early 20th century.

From your other comment next to this one…

“The Jews never fought back” is not what I said. Again, you intentionally try to misinterpret what I said. I was specifically talking about the time before the Holocaust even started, there was no reason for Germans to fear Jewish people, as they were just normal people.

Do you not see how you’re not being consistent?

Do you really not understand that Hamas did not exist before the genocide of Palestinians started? They cannot have provoked this in any way, as you repeatedly have attempted to imply with your arguments that this is different from the Holocaust.

The “Israelis” are colonizers. Not a single acre of the land they live on is rightfully theirs. It’s all stolen, except maybe a very, very small minority of Jews who lived there prior to the colonization AND consider themselves “Israelis” now AND still live on their ancestral properties, but even they still benefit from the colonialism.

I’m not misinterpreting what you said. It’s just that what you said doesn’t actually make sense the way you think it does, because you think (incorrectly) that this is a thousand year old religious conflict. That’s orientalist propaganda designed to make you support the existence of “Israel”.

In reality, where this is not a thousand year conflict but a hundred year colonization and genocide, the only way what you said makes any sense is if the Jews didn’t fight back. Because Hamas is fighting back and you are arguing it’s different from the Jewish reaction to the Holocaust. The Jews did fight back. It’s not different.

Edit: I just realized this is a 10 hour old comment I replied to in the parallel thread.

I don’t think we can expect commenters to be as nuanced as an academic specializing in genocides.

On the legal front, it is to me morally obvious that that comment was pretty measured and deleting it was fucked. If you claim to do a fucked thing for legal reason, I think it’s fair to demand evidence that you are under legal duress. Is there a history of feddit specifically or german fedi sites.in general being hammered for “antisemitic” comments?

The answer to that would determines how much I am pissed at german authorities for misapplying the law or at feddit admins for being biased and/or cowards.

those people are people living in their home country have to obey local laws.

You have a moral responsibility to disobey moral injustices, even when, actually, especially when they are codified into law. If you rely on the German standard you have no functional mechanism to communicate that a genocide as as bad as the Holocaust is occurring. Which is obviously ridiculous, and you should disobey that law.

I want it to be stopped by almost any means necessary

Lol. “Almost”. Aka, you condemn all groups actually resisting it.

The internet is awesome. You can discuss genocides with someone who named himself after an dictator who did several genocides! Who has a picture of this dictactor in his profile! And this guy is attacking others for “defense of genocide”! Great invention this internet thingy!

The German government is sending 30% the weapons to mass murder Palestinians in a concentration camp. This denial of full German government support for genocide is why nobody takes Germans seriously when they claim to care about the Holocaust. Take a long hard look at this image and see what you can take away from it

If you really see support of genocide and zionism in what I said, I really don’t know what I could say to convince you. It seems you’re not truly listening to me and trying to understand.

Oh no, people are not trying to understand your subtle and nuanced argument of “Palestinian genocide and the Holocaust are different because the Jews never fought back”.

Voting to block a domain and having that domain blocked isn’t comparable to electing an authoritarian leader. Dbzer0 can choose who to and not to federate with. Users who don’t like that move to another instance easily.