Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. …

More context

Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. …

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

  • LeninWeave [they]@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    22 days ago

    Ah, OK, so you’re just refuting the idea that Israelites have lived there, in that very same region, for thousands of years, for which we have archaeological and historical data? All of that is a hoax? Like, an Egyptian dude was going “LOL, let’s write those guys in, hilarity will ensue 3000 years later”?

    Yes, their descendants are called Palestinians today. This also has nothing to do with the fact that the current conflict is 100 years old and not 1000 or thousands.

    Wow, maybe if you elaborated on what you meant, like I asked, then I’d understand what you meant better? Weird how communication works, eh?

    I don’t know how much clearer I can make it: this “conflict” is a hundred years old and you are distorting history to support colonialism. The “Israelis” are settlers, the Palestinians are the native population, descended in part from the people “Israelis” claim falsely to be the continuation of. The creators and forefathers of the “Israeli” state, people like Ben Gurion and Herzl, were open about the colonial nature of their project.

    • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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      22 days ago

      So, it’s not about “Israelis vs Palestinians”, or wider, “Israelis vs Arabs”. It’s just literally about the establishment of Israel as a nation? That’s it?

      Explain to me, how are you not a proponent of genocide if you want to eliminate a nation?

      • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        22 days ago

        Explain to me, how are you not a proponent of genocide if you want to eliminate a nation?

        So anyone who supported the end of Rhodesia or apartheid South Africa was pro genocide.

        • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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          22 days ago

          Which countries have partitioned and taken over the land of Rhodesia and South Africa? You can show me on the map.

          • LeninWeave [they]@lemmy.mlEnglish
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            22 days ago

            Which countries have partitioned and taken over the land of Rhodesia

            Zimbabwe.

            and South Africa?

            Post-apartheid South Africa.

            You can show me on the map.

            A map highlighting the two countries mentioned above.

            • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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              22 days ago

              I’m sorry, are you a disabled person? Or did you forget the point you guys were trying to make?

              Rhodesia changed its government and name.

              South Africa changed its government.

              No third parties partitioned the lands of either.

              Your examples are advocating for my approach of punishing the leadership and giving the people a fresh start.

              • LeninWeave [they]@lemmy.mlEnglish
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                21 days ago

                I’m sorry, are you a disabled person? Or did you forget the point you guys were trying to make?

                Damn, I can really feel how tempted you were to use the r-slur there. Not surprising that a zionist and a colonialist would also be an ableist.

                Your examples are advocating for my approach of punishing the leadership and giving the people a fresh start.

                My examples are advocating for decolonization done by the people there (Palestinians). You’re the one imagining “third parties”.

                • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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                  21 days ago

                  Damn, I can really feel how tempted you were to use the r-slur there. Not surprising that a zionist and a colonialist would also be an ableist.

                  You do that a lot, don’t you? Imagine things about people you disagree with and then assume they’re true.

                  My examples are advocating for decolonization done by the people there (Palestinians). You’re the one imagining “third parties”.

                  I’m imagining third parties? You just stated that Palestinians are Israelis, mate. To the Israelis (and their nation), Palestinians are the third party (and the other way around).

                  You really are having trouble grasping simple concepts.

                  Hamas’ stated eradication of Israel = genocide.

                  The removal of Israel’s government, reform, security guarantees towards Palestine = not genocide.

                  I thought this was relatively simple to get.

                  • LeninWeave [they]@lemmy.mlEnglish
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                    21 days ago

                    You do that a lot, don’t you? Imagine things about people you disagree with and then assume they’re true.

                    I don’t need to imagine, you called me “a disabled person” as an insult. That’s exactly as bad as using the r-slur because it’s literally the same thing.

                    I’m imagining third parties? You just stated that Palestinians are Israelis, mate. To the Israelis (and their nation), Palestinians are the third party (and the other way around).

                    Shut up, lmao. I’m tired of dealing with your colonizer ignorance. Several people have explained to you several times how and why you are wrong and it’s clear that your racist condescending European colonial attitude makes it impossible for you to actually grasp the reality of colonialism and therefore the reality of “Israel”.

                    40 years ago you would have been crying about how “the Blacks” want to commit genocide against the white South Africans and denying that they were colonizers too. Before you cry about how you “didn’t say that”, that’s what’s called a “hypothetical”. It’s meant to demonstrate your gross racism in a way that’s easier for you to understand, because the two situations are the same but everyone today knows that the South African example would be obviously racist.

                    Hamas’ stated eradication of Israel = genocide.

                    Go read the 2017 charter instead of assuming the people you think are below you match the caricature you have of them in your head.