next time I hear “there is just too many (brown) people” i swear

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    14 days ago

    There are many bankers and investment funds’ CEOs and owners we probably don’t know the names of that are also funding the end of the world because of profit

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    I honestly have to wonder at what point people will collectively say “why the hell are we letting them do this” ? Not sure what happens after that, but it seems like it must have to happen at some point, right? Right?

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      Because the average American and European feels their convenient lifestyle is more important than the life of the planet. They’ll talk the talk about the environment, but they won’t walk the wall with their votes or actions.

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      Because the people in positions to do something about it get paid by the evil doers to make sure business is as usual

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    14 days ago

    Eh kind of hard to feel solidarity when the majority of people still want to hurt queer people regardless of how much money they have

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      Majority?

      Nah Those that actively want to hurt people from the lgbtq+ is small.

      It’s still puts the group at a higher risk of identity based hate crimes.

      But it’s not a majority. Even people who disaprove of it don’t actively wish harm on the rainbow people

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    Every revolutionary thinks their utopia is only a few decapitations away, and when those don’t work they move onto the next couple until your Stalin and executing kulaks who own a bit more land than their neighbors.

    The reality is that a large chunk of normal people benefit from the current system and will fight to keep their cars, meat, AC, 401k evaluations etc. The largest shareholder, the ones who really control these companies, of any of these oil companies is vanguard which your current retirement plan is probably in. And that’s just the minority of oil that’s extracted by private companies, most is extracted by state owned corporations, and although most of that usually goes to corruption and war, a lot of it goes into welfare for some of the poorest people in the world. A lot more people rely on fossil fuels than just a handful of billionaires.

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    Kind of. It’s the system they operate under, capitalism.

    Get rid of those specific people and you would have others people take their place.

    However, not to say that it isn’t worthwhile to also bust out the guillotines

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      If you bust out the guillotine, the people who replace them will behave as if they’ve seen what happens when the guillotines get busted out.

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      14 days ago

      Renewables+nuclear is cheaper and in a truly free market would beat out oil

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        Cheaper is not the same as more profitable. It’s an important distinction. You can’t own and control the sun and charge people to harvest the energy. Monopolizing and gatekeeping are the end goals of capital owners.

        Unless you think the Chinese market is more free. They’re producing solar panels like crazy.

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          Oil is only profitable for the people producing oil, which is not most people

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                OK. Oil is only profitable for a select few people now. Why don’t we rise up in arms to change production and seize the means of production now? More people have incentive to now than not (most people are not oil billionaires), why doesn’t it change?

                Coercion through state violence, a propaganda apparatus telling you the only way to structure society is through capitalism, and treats to sedate the masses from revolting against their living conditions.

                A magic nebulous “more free” market doesn’t change that.

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    Should I be worried that my initial response to this is “Hmm, so we might be able to improve the world with a serendipitously timed anthrax outbreak at the next WEF summit?”

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      Money like that, you fly in on your own helicopter, so you don’t have to ride in the less comfortable helicopter for your entourage.

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    Had a few seconds where I thought “Wired” was referring to the tech magazine and wondered what “Tired” is, who would choose name for their magazine or whatever?

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    Yeah, kinda like that time Brian Thompson got shot, and the next day United Healthcare ceased to exist.

    Not saying that the general point of corporations doing more harm than people is wrong. Just that if you think that the corporation is just one person, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

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      Yup. After 9/11 for a while it seemed every week or two the news would report that “The leader of Al Qaeda” had just been killed or captured. Not a false statement, yet it happened again the next week.

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          I just want to say that the idea that we could develop a crowdsourced bounty system on the dark web using cryptocurrency would be illegal and I would never publicly support it.

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      13 days ago

      Operant Conditioning

      Operant conditioning, also called instrumental conditioning, is a learning process in which voluntary behaviors are modified by association with the addition (or removal) of reward or aversive stimuli. The frequency or duration of the behavior may increase through reinforcement or decrease through punishment or extinction.

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      United Healthcare’s stock is down 60% since the incident. United Healthcares board and new CEOs lowered the rejection rate of patients out of fear as well. Say what you want about the morality of what was done. The efficacy speaks for itself

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        The stock drop would be expected, but is there any credible source that denial rate dropped?

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        The efficacy lasted for all of a month before returning to where it had been before.

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          Well then we just need to stagger the killings in intervals to keep them in check. Simple solution.

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            tl;dr Find a better method.

            Repeated use of the same drug will bring marginal gains.
            Companies will evolve to create lower cost (lower impact) figureheads.

            Cruelty works best when it is used all at once.
            Operant conditioning, as stated by EldritchFeminity above, is better applied in a case where you have higher levels of control over the subject’s environment.

            If you do want to continue doing so slowly, then you need to accompany this with other operations…
            like using the shock period to gather opinions into a voice gives a clear-ish indication to what behaviour caused the event and what change in behaviour would prevent further repetition.
            One might think that it is something very obvious and everyone knows the difference between what they are doing vs what they should be doing, but sometimes just saying it out loud makes a big difference.

            This is one methodology where an authority would excel at. And this particular methodology would horribly fail with a non-authority.
            But any authority needs to be trustworthy, which requires consistency. And considering how all pre-established authorities are collectively deciding to fall towards inconsistency, I see authorities failing and hence, the methods that work with authority.

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          So, UHC stock was up around 600, dropped to a bit over 200, and is lately around 300. So like ¾ of the drop is still there in linear terms, or something like ⅔ in logarithmic terms.

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            That’s true, and my bad for implying otherwise.

            But I also think much more critically, they’re back to denying coverage exactly the way they were before Thompson died.

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      There is also a societal dependance on some of the status quo. The bigger issue is how hard they actively resist the change. A lot of places still rely on trucking at a minimum to fill the groccery store with food wrapped in plastic, most of which is powered or made by fossil fuels. We need to electrify and diversifying but they cling to oil and have way too much power in governmental decisions to prevent or reverse any reduction in dependance for their products.

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      … So kill the entire board.

      That’d probably make a more uh, substantial material impact on their bottom line.

      Oh, they keep doing evil shit with a new board?

      … repeat.

      Or, I guess you can just either … well, either try to run away and hide, pray to the normalcy bias gods that one of these days the legal systems they own will do something against them, or just resign yourself to a kind of smug, self defeating moral solace in being doomed, but being right while being doomed.

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          At the moment, a bit of the first, and a bit of the third.

          Its hard to be an agent of one’s own will to power when one is seriously crippled.

          So mostly what I am doing is physical therapy so that I can get back to being a more effective agent of my own will.

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            I prefer Schopenhauer’s Will to Life which Nietzsche plagiarized during his psychotic ramblings.

            If Nietzsche was right about the Will to Power being the essence of life, then fascism would be justified. What is fascism besides an exercise in Will to Power devoid of empathy? Hitler loved Nietzsche. He corrupted a lot of the things Nietzsche said. Nietzsche wasn’t inherently fascist, and actually abhorred authority. But his Will to Power rhetoric did lend itself to the development of fascist ideology.

            Life isn’t merely some competition between rivaling species of plants that will overwhelm the other if the other doesn’t overwhelm them first. That’s what happens when there’s an imbalance in an ecosystem, such as with the introduction of non-native plants. If that were perfectly fine as an analogy for human society and behavior, then what argument could be made against colonization and ethnic cleansing? The same argument would justify capitalistic exploitation, extractive industry, “infinite growth,” and zero-sum economic systems.

            To be clear, those things are evil, but that’s why I don’t believe in the Will to Power. (True that Nietzsche didn’t mean it that way, because he personally was anti-authority, but he failed to consider what it would mean for an authoritarian figure with the intention and capability to enforce an evil Will to Power).

            But in a balanced ecosystem, life isn’t a zero-sum game. Lots of species symbiotically work together to maintain the balance, a sort of ecological homeostasis. On the species level, even predator-prey relations are symbiotic (without wolves, deer overpopulate and overconsume, then they starve and experience population collapse).

            So that’s why I favor Will-to-Life over Will-to-Power.

            There’s also Will-to-Good, which sounds great on the surface, but “Good” is hard to define, so it’s mostly useless and can lend itself to corruption and perversity just as easily.

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              … Ok.

              I didn’t mean to get into a philosophy argument, I meant to indicate my capacity to act in the world.

              Bring crippled significantly hampers that, when it comes to most kinds of physical actions.

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              No I don’t.

              I’m capable of being honest, and judging myself by thr same standards I judge others.

              You just assumed that I’m not.

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                I didn’t “assume” that, it was indicated by the smugness of your keyboard warrior “just do such-and-such, or succumb to doomerism” argument.

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                  No, you’re not getting it:

                  Yep, I am smug, hence the smug description of being smug.

                  Meta-smugness.

                  You’re assuming that I do not count myself amongst being smug.

                  I do.

                  Its also not the only of those 3 things I do, see my other comment where you decided to give a pretty good, though mostly off topic explanation of Nietzche vs Schopenhauer, totally missing the part wherr I established being smug is not the only thing that I do.

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      The way in which Luigi was arrested is part of their safety checks. A way to motivate working class to turn people in, without paying them. I generally thought reward money worked.

      I learned it did not work from a podcast that no longer exists. Michael Bazzel’s OSINT podcast talked about it within the context of people who used OSINT to find people on wanted lists and how reward money collection actually works. (Podcast doesn’t exist any more, the copies of the casts went away with the podcast.). Sadly, there’s no replacement for this type of news and info condensed down into one place. It’s also a niche area of information, not followed by many.

      Those McDonald’s workers were not paid for turning Luigi in. But they thought they would be.

      Even so, look at the bigger picture. How many Luigi’s have there been since 1981?

      Most people avoid confrontation, spending most of their days sitting in a chair or lying down, and thinking/hoping/wishing a white knight is going to rescue them from their situation. It’s one reason why so many people exist in bad relationships (1 or a chain of them). Because they think that other person is going to rescue them from their sad days of avoiding confrontation while sitting in a chair or lying down, most of the day for most of their days. Hoping. But never doing. Thinking about doing. Maybe spouting off on the internet about doing. But never doing.

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        find people on wanted lists and how reward money collection actually works

        How does it actually work?

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          Generally? It doesn’t.

          See making the call to tip off the cops makes you eligible for the reward. If you called the correct tip/reward phone number. So that’s the first road block.

          Even then, you aren’t automatically getting the reward. No. There are still hoops to jump through.

          As a note these additional hoops also apply when there isn’t a specific phone number.

          According to the FBI’s website, I’d link but I’m on my phone, someone (an agent, a prosecutor, etc) has to put your name forward in a nomination package.

          This is then reviewed by the FBI and other agencies, it’s kind of vague.

          Anyway these agencies decide if you get a reward and what percentage.

          And none of this can start until after a conviction is secured.

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        Wait, holup

        Didnt bazzel stop doing podcasts way before luigi happened? Or are you talking about an old episode

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          Looks like it was back in March 2022 so still a little while before Thompson’s final claim denial. Show notes are available but it’s not saying much more than what you get from the title of the episode:

          EPISODE 254-OSINT+Fugitives=Rewards

          This week I release the previously-canceled show about finding fugitives with OSINT and collecting large rewards.

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      Kemp is alive and governing Georgia as far as I know but I’m happy to be corrected if that’s wrong. You may be thinking of Brian Thompson who involuntarily resigned his position as the CEO of UnitedHealthcare on a NYC sidewalk.

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        Ah damn, you right. Should have Googled it. Too many Brian’s in the news, lol. Got the wires crossed.

        Editing to fix.

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      Yeah, kinda like that time Brian Thompson got shot, and the next day United Healthcare ceased to exist.

      Their HP definitely went down. And, anecdotally, I heard from a pharmacist friend that they were approving claims like nobody’s business for the next day or so

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      the post is about who is doing it, who is responsible,

      it’s supposed to make the problem less abstract

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      100% this, and not an explicitly violent revolution, either. We need to build alternative power structures to replace our heirarchical society. Simply replacing our elites using violence would end up with a new set of elites who are very provably willing to use violence against their enemies. IMO this is one of the major reasons that marxism-leninism has historically yielded authoritarian states, e.g. the USSR.

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          Which I should clarify is already here. They just don’t want us to think that yet cause they invested in a bunch isht that is now obsolete.

          It’s all ducken obsolete them fossil fuels is. Don’t get me wrong, a tank of clean propane is dandy for a Sunday grill, but solar’s where it at

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            I think this is a bit overly optimistic, the ruling class own like 99% of every industry, not just fossil fuels. We can’t just wait for history to take its course, we need to start building a worker-led movement to replace our exploitative heirarchical society, that’s how we can make the ruling class obsolete. We need to get our shit together and actually do a lot of work to achieve this.

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    Fired: adventurist action doesn’t end the system that created those 90 people

    Couldn’t come up with much that rhymed with tired but that is probably because I am tired