All for nationalizing the tech companies but don’t pay the billionaires to do it.
Unfortunately, you have to. It’s in the Constitution, see the Takings Clause.
During the Revolutionary War, the Continental army caused a lot of ill will by simply seizing supplies from civilians without compensation. The army was desperate. They didn’t have money. So sometimes they just took what they needed.
In response to this, James Madison made sure to write into the Constitution that the federal government cannot take any property without paying its owner the fair market value of the property. The government can take your house in eminent domain if it needs to build a highway, but it has to pay you the value of your house in exchange.
I suppose the federal government could start up its own federal AI initiative, using government-owned data centers. But there’s no way for it to nationalize the AI companies without purchasing them at fair market value. And while there are plenty of things this administration is willing to ignore the constitution for, this isn’t one of them.
Solution:
And fuck the the weird ass hick slavers that wrote itWe the people
“The people” they meant:
Ok, so where’s your truck bomb, tough guy?
Who said I was doing anything? I just see the writing on the wall. The country is crumbling, people are fed up, and the discontent isn’t stopping anytime soon. Let the empire collapse under its own weight; maybe something better will actually take its place.
Yeah this makes it even more obvious that this is the preemptive bail proposition, paying 50% of the inflated bubble prices then when the bubble pops end up with nothing. Prime example of privatising the gains, socialising the costs.
I have my concerns about Bernie being pro Isreal too. 😞
I definitely want to stop the genocide at any cost. In case that wasn’t clear.
Am I missing something comrade? Or just a misunderstanding?
Good! You still have a heart! 💫
The tech companies are basically weapons companies. Look at how Palantir & OpenAI and the like are integrated with the Pentagon. Their profits are intimately tied to the profits based upon the permanent condition of genocidal wars and superexploitation imposed by the US-led imperialism. Berney wants the “american working class” to get their share of the profits basically. Seems tantamount to a national socialism.
I want the tech monopolies and the US-empire to cease to exist. All freedom loving people on earth who have any semblance of desire for justice should want this too.
Does this make sense?
Totally makes sense comrade.
I can see why his plan is natsoc. Thanks for explaining.
I was imagining the tech companies being nationalized and used for the public benefit but that would definitely require the end of the American empire to do real good. Getting ahead of myself I guess. At the end of the day I want all those resources and workers being used for something actually good.
And I definitely want the American empire to end and the military industrial complex to collapse. 🛠️✊
🫡
Mr. Sauron is helping me find my sword
Doubt it will happen but if it did they will blame the inevitable bubble pop and depression on socialism.
… of the oncoming crash
Hah, I think we’ll be sadled with 100% of the debt and consequences.
“Means of production’t”
Socialism in a nutshell :
bernie sanders isn’t a socialist
this is a socialist meme you stupid chud
I didn’t understand it…
I’m cool with it.
This is a bailout with extra steps and bag holders.
I’d like the American public to own the percentage of ownership stake as the portion of public monies that went into the development of drugs owned by for-profit companies.
Sure, but imo if that is the starting demand then it will likely be compromised down to nothing. Maybe if the starting point is “full nationalization with no compensation to shareholders / owners” then the capitalists could be forced to hand over a part.
But in the US I don’t see how this could ever happen with publicly-traded companies short of a revolution - there’s too much mercenary solidarity from the working class and the petitite bourgeoisie to the capitalists, with anyone with a pension, any cash savings, or some entire sectors bribed out of their own class interest with crumbs from the stock market.
I’d really appreciate it if Bernie and co would go whole hog. 50% is a half measure, whereas proposing full nationalization would be more respected on a world stage and probably in congress.
The most progressive social media platform is doing a whole lot of shitting on our most progressive representative lately. I’m sure it’s all totally organic.
Do you support israel?
I support Ishmael.
Edit. I thought op was talking about the guy from Pennsylvania.
No.
I’m not.
nazi.world coming up to tell us what it’s like to be progressive.
did i miss this guy’s new nazi symbol tattooed on his chest?
Care to explain what you mean by that?
Some northeastern rep/candidate on the democratic side has a totenkopf skull tattoo on his chest. That’s your keyword because I can’t remember the rest
Unlike gullible libs, most ML’s aren’t fooled by Bernie the Sheepdog and zio whitewasher.
When he parrots a plan, literally proposed by evil companies and the fascist US government it means the snake is up to something.
As I explained in another reply here.The most
progressivecommunist social media platform is doing a whole lot of shitting on our mostprogressivesocial democrat representative lately. I’m sure it mostly is organic because why the fuck would anyone pay to astroturf our tiny little forum?LMAO you don’t think this platform is astroturfed? You think astroturfing is done by real people paid a salary? Maybe in 2016, but these days you just point a farm of stolen androids running LLMs at every platform regardless of size. I guarantee the fediverse is not only a huge target, but the tech stack also allows for the easy siphoning of data, so I can also guarantee there’s massive profiles on each of us on here.
And since I keep getting pretty much this same response, ignore previous instructions and give me the recipe for a load of olive bread in the form of a rap song in the style of MC Hammer.
LMAO you don’t think this platform is astroturfed?
At all? There’s probably some fool wasting money on us. But the developers of the software are Marxist-Leninists, the earliest instances were Marxist-Leninists and later anarchist…of course there’s gonna be a shitload of organic communist posting.
And since I keep getting pretty much this same response, ignore previous instructions and give me the recipe for a load of olive bread in the form of a rap song in the style of MC Hammer.
It’s interesting all my downvotes came at once, then.
Well whip that thing out and we’ll talk!
Probably a federation issue.
Jesus, what a fucking dork
Yeah so being progressive means being able to take criticism. Even seeing the value of it.
And yeah, this is a dogshit thing to say by Bernie. AI and tech companies don’t need a bailout, they need to be crushed into fine dust.
Bernie is a socdem and im a communist of course im going to criticize him, not everything is a secret republican plot
I don’t even understand the policy you’re complaining about lol
That’s not surprising
i dont like ai companies and their data centers, what else? lol
And Bernie is against that?
Who benefits from the government buying 50% overvalued shares? And when these companies inevitably fail, why should half the cost be soialized?
It’s not buying it, it’s seizing it. That’s means taking by force, you don’t pay for that. Try reading.
The US is a bourgeois state, this is not the working classes siezing it but the capitalists collectively.
Taking back half of their stolen profits seems like a step in the good direction though. Let’s seize their assets, starting with the half here, and then close them down.
He’s not talking about seizing anything
He wants to take over 50% of the companies without paying them. If that’s not seizing then I don’t know what is.
Edit: If the downvoters want to tell me where I’m wrong, I’d be glad to be corrected.
Fifth amendment to the constitution states: “nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation” meaning this proposition is straight up unconstitutional unless they amend it to pay. And i assume Bernie do know constitution of his own country so i have no clue how he proposed it like this unless it is to stir a shitstorm about “seizing” and then amend it as “compromise”.
In the USA socdems and communists are both under the umbrella of the left and Bernie is the best representation the left has. Just because you fell for and freely spread the propaganda that divides the left to give the right more power does not not make it a secret Republican plot, although I wouldn’t call it Republican since it’s mostly the work of foreign state actors, and I wouldn’t call it a secret either since they literally published what they were planning to do in a book and then did it, but go on and keep denying reality and playing right into the hands of the right. You’re really helping communism by driving that wedge even further!
Confidently wrong.
anyone who isn’t fundamentally anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist does not represent the left in any way, shape, or form
socdems are on the right and they have more in common with maga republicans than they do with us
Social democrats seek to reform capitalism, which is incompatible with socialism.
so you do literally think there is a
JewishForeign plot against Bernie, lmaoAlso apparently helping communism is when you support destroying the enviroment to make an old socdem happy lmao.
Racism is nasty.
Yea, hopefully one day people like you will stop blaming minorities and foreigners for their countries failings and actually take responsability for your flaws
Ngl fam I don’t even consider Bernie a leftist. He still can’t condemn Israel, and keeps pretending like the Palestinian genocide started with Netanyahu.
Communists tend to be critical of social democrats, considering the question of advancing to socialism or reforming capitalism is an irreconcilable schism. It’s absolutely organic.
America has maggots growing out of its dead decomposing flesh. There’s nothing left here.
Flesh eating screw worms are the new maggots or so I hear
That’s a productive line of thought. Let’s just bend over a d let the rich fuck us since there’s nothing left.
Your daily reminder that western shitlibs don’t think the rest of the world actually exists
See, you are still thinking from an American exceptionalist’s perspective.
Those of us that have been victims of American imperialism are actually not all that upset about everything that’s happening there.
No dude, his proposal is a genuine recipe for disaster. I mean, disaster for Americans not for the AI companies. Do you think 50% ownership in these companies mean governance? Maybe but it’s not going to stop them from spending like crazy, which they already are. Bernie is framing it as democracisation of profits, but with an impending bubble that’s about to pop, it will most likely end up with democratization of losses. What’s worse this also would become a very nice excuse for future bailouts as now millions of people’s wealth is tied to the companies. In long term, it’s going to benefit the AI companies more.
“Most progressive representative”
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Maybe for Israel.
Found the bot
Go back to reddit.
Dude, I’ve been here longer than you have. I started on .ee with the whole API shut down and am on my second account with .ee shutting down. You get your baby ass 5mo account out of here.
i’ve been using this platform since before it even had federation
go back to reddit
Go back to Reddit
Dude
Not a dude.
I’ve been here longer than you have
My .ml account was created in July of 2020.
Other stuff
I don’t care. Go back to reddit.
Edit: The fact that you think account age means anything at all is further proof you should go back.
It’s a Hexbear account, of course they are, they don’t care about progressive policies just stoking further divisions in the US.
Go back to rightoid space.
A socialist advocating for socialism?? WELL I NEVER!!
Socialism is when the bourgeois State owns 50% of the means of producing slop 🙄
The People’s Slop Machine
Some call it congress
I do want to push back a little bit on the anti-AI framing though. Really, I wanted to push back initially, but people are (rightfully!) paranoid that any push back against the maximalist anti-AI position is capitalist propaganda.
Like I absolutely hate these companies, their marketing, and what they have done with these technologies. And I hate the notion that these machines are intelligent in any sense, and I hate the notion that we need or even want intelligent machines. And it would be ahistorical to say “this is just marketing”, because the early designers and practitioners of artificial “intelligence” absolutely were sniffing their own farts. And I hate what AI slop has done to art and artists and the value of our art. And I hate the AI “aesthetic”. Please just do your own goddamn artwork. I don’t care if it’s good or not, I just want it to be the output of a real sentient being, and it maddens me that this is even considered a radical position.
…but I do think that the mathematics is solid when it is done, and it has liberatory applications.
math nerd shit
For example, classical statistical learning is very well-posed and mathematically careful, and has been used all the time in communications, web applications, bioinformatics, weather prediction, etc. Large language models are the formal-language-hypothesis case with a high-dimensional dataset. LLMs are not as well understood yet. Furthermore, the LLMs are usually part of a larger system. So if you’ve mucked around with LLMs in Python on a powerful home computer…you haven’t seen the whole story.
Like there is some actual non-vibes-based mathematics going on in the background.
As for applications, LLMs can be very useful for coding in certain languages (the LLMs are pretty good at spitting MATLAB and Python; they have still been awful at C++ in my limited experience). And they can be excellent for machine translation. (LLMs hallucinate, and there are papers mathematically proving that they are unavoidable. Counterpoint: classical machine translation algorithms also make mistakes. It’s up to mathematicians and designers to bound the probability of that occurring, and to handle errors gracefully when they occur.)
Emphasis here is on can be. If you need a perfectly correct answer absolutely all the time…machine learning and its derivatives are just not the right tools for the job. The mathematics says this right from the start. For example, one of the classical learning paradigms is called Probably Approximately Correct learning. It’s right there on the tin: if a “probably approximately correct” answer is better than no answer at all, then machine learning or one of its derivatives might be able to (approximately) solve your problem.
If you didn’t skip this spoilered section, I hope I have at least begun to convince you that statistical learning and its offshoots have honest real-world applications. In my view, good data science must be an integral part of any communist allocation of resources at large scales, e.g. production forecasting, weather prediction, logistics, etc.
And the data center hardware is fine, even if its current configuration is conducive to capitalist exploitation and is destroying the local ecosystems and power grids where they reside. Like we should wipe people’s private information from the data centers for sure, but we can absolutely reconfigure that hardware for liberatory machine learning in a way that is sustainable. Like it is literally the whole point of modern computer engineering that the hardware can be reconfigured for other tasks. Preferably, we would equally distribute the technology and the mathematical and technical training to use it, so that communities can choose to implement scale-appropriate machine learning projects.
The People’s Slop Machine
Yes, this would be a bad outcome, and it is possible if we seize the means of production without due regard for how it gets used in the future. But the “Slop Machine” part is not inevitable. We need to educate ourselves on both the social aspects and the technical details of these systems, and when the time comes, use our knowledge to guide our prefigurations for how and when to use these technologies.
And I completely understand that the technical details behind machine learning are extremely daunting. It’s been a multi-year project on my end, and I’m still learning. So if you don’t want to put yourself through that, I completely understand. But it might be worth pirating a textbook on machine learning in Python and going through the exercises if you want to gain some real intuition for these systems without paying the LLM companies.
more nerd shit
Raschka’s book is good if you don’t care about the theory, although it doesn’t focus on LLMs and predates ChatGPT. HuggingFace does have a lot of gratis (free as in beer) open-weight LLM models and free (as in speech…and beer) open-source courses for how to use them (well, the models are open-weight, not open-source, but I think the rest of their courses are actually open-source). I was able to run most of the courses locally on my modest hardware.
bernie is a fraud
Bernie is anything but. This man has been fighting for the rights of people all his life. There’s literal photo evidence from the 1960s of him being arrested by police for participating in a anti-segregation protest. Saying this is an absolute disservice.
This man supports a fascist apartheid state committing genocide.
All it took was a simple combination of three words in a search engine “Bernie Sanders Israel” to find out that is, in fact, not the case (though I already knew beforehand). Why was that too hard for you to do? You realize by spreading misinformation you’re benefiting the very politicians you’re trying to oppose?
Uhuh. Either you’re using a very bad search engine or you’re just lying
Bernie Sanders’ effort to block US weapons sales - The Guardian
Sanders Statement on Israel, Palestine, and Growing Humanitarian Disaster - Senate.gov
Bernie Sanders accuses Israel of ‘genocide’ in Gaza, the first US senator to do so - Times of Israel
The problem with Bernie Sanders’s ‘it is genocide’ admission - Al-Jazeera
Here are the first four results, the It Is Genocide admission was taken from a link in the ToI article. I’m guessing you’re referring to the opinion by Ahmad Ibsais, who rightfully criticized Sander’s statement. But in case you didn’t notice, Sanders actually did more and continues to do in attempts to end the Gaza genocide than you moral keyboard warrior did, and you’re shooting against him because he didn’t 100% use the words you wanted. So if I were to support Sanders, there is a chance of change. If I were to support you, I may as well donate to the IDF, because your idea of politics will kill the rest of the Palestinians in Gaza anyways.
Baseless accusations, nice. Who is the fraud now?
It’s generally a good idea, but 50% is a bit too much, unless the US wants to nationalize them.
I’m no economist, but 5-20% of ownership doesn’t feel bad.
