• protist@retrofed.com
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    I mean, they’re saying you’re replaceable, but that’s just a front for layoffs. Executive leadership doesn’t care about having a functioning organization. They can easily find a job somewhere else once they demonstrate short term profits, even if it’s at the expense of the company’s long-term health

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    Finally someone said it. I honestly was wondering why no one was complaining about this… I’ve worked on some open source myself, licensed it GPL, and never intended for it to be used as training data.

    Doesn’t the GPL cover shit like this? There should be mass lawsuits hitting any AI that used open source software and didn’t just specifically use BSD projects or something.

    If you train an LLM on GPL code, it should be illegal to sell that LLM and use it commercially without revealing ALL THE SOURCE you used and the source to regenerate that model.

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      Yeah I mean they train ai on commercially copyrighted stuff like books that they straight up pirate so if that doesn’t stop them the open source community certainly won’t

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      If you train an LLM on GPL code, it should be illegal to sell that LLM and use it commercially without revealing ALL THE SOURCE you used and the source to regenerate that model.

      Also if that LLM is used to generate code - that code must also be GPL.

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        I’d love to see lawsuits force Microsoft and Nvidia and OpenAI to open source everything they had AI touch 😁

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      never intended for it to be used as training data.

      You could have chosen a different license than the GPL.

      Doesn’t the GPL cover shit like this?

      No. Didn’t you read the license you used?

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        GPL absolutely should cover shit like this. Training an LLM on your code makes it definitionally a derivative work, therefore it must be licensed under GPL too (with limited fair use exceptions which shouldn’t apply here). The problem is that the US government is not willing to enforce this at all, because it is owned by the same billionaires as the AI companies.

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          Training an LLM on your code makes it definitionally a derivative work

          If so, then every painter who studied Picasso is making Picasso-derived works. That’s not how copyright works.

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      Doesn’t the GPL cover shit like this? There should be mass lawsuits

      I hope it’ll happen eventually.

      Currently the USA (and that’s where most of this shit comes from) is aggressively pro AI to the point of breaking the law with government support.

      BTW what OP says has happened to Linux (at large) through Google/Android, too. The GPL hasn’t stopped them but surely put some limits on their exploitation of FOSS

  • Impractical_Island@lemmy.world
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    I never had a license for having a big dick til they made it a requirement requestement that make it do what it as it do be it for cuz that’s what it be.

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    Using copyleft licenses for closed models is clearly against the spirit of the licenses if the users don’t have access to the source code that includes the original copyleft works. Even open weight models aren’t really the source code, and are more akin to a compiled binary. The source code is all the training data and code used to train the model such that anyone can build on it and train new models.

    I’m not a lawyer and am not sure how well existing copyleft licenses like GPL or CC-SA would stand up in court to enforce this, but if they don’t, then stronger licenses that explicitly cover works being used as training data need to become more common.

    I’ve seen the argument that the models are just learning from the data in the same way a human would. That’s nonsense. It’s not like they’re creating a sentient being with its own agency that can tell them to fuck off if it wants. These companies are running a software pipeline against copyrighted IP to convert it into a derivative work that is now supposedly wholly owned by said company, but the reality is that it’s collectively owned by everyone who contributed to the copyleft training data.

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    The “you are replaceable” thing is older than everyone currently alive. It hasn’t been invented by the AI tech bros.
    Also, the library is still out there. You still can ignore the rent-seeking middle men and use it directly with your own natural neural network.

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      Also, the library is still out there. You still can ignore the rent-seeking middle men and use it directly with your own natural neural network.

      …but you have to jump between a billion hoops to get there because now it’s all buried between AI results and SEO crap.

      Assuming it’s even still there and accessible in the same way, if its site was enshittified (did someone say Reddit?) you might need to go through additional hoops even after you actually find it.

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        Reddit is a bad example because it’s still readable without an account and almost uncensored outside politics. You can also still query Reddit explicitly reasonably fine by adding “Reddit” to your search in DuckDuckGo or Google.
        Reddit’s enshittification is in the optional buyable reactions (which make posts and comments way more visible than voting is able to), their automated moderation, and making automated moderation for sub mods harder.
        Using it as a library is what didn’t get enshittified.

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          That got enshittified too, anything marked as NSFW is not accessible without an account right now.

          And from personal experience (might be just me being dumb though), old Reddit doesn’t work anymore if you’re not logged in, so you’re stuck with the new interface which auto-translates stuff and makes comment chains impossible to browse through on mobile.

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    Justice is not only about what is fair, but also about the fear people have of suffering consequences, aka: Pain. Being in jail is painful. It’s a tiny room with no hygiene, cockroaches, the toilet is right there in the same room, isolation, unlikable neighbors, years or decades without Internet, a TV or PC…

    The biggest lie the Jeffrey Epstein Class managed to pull off was to convince everyone that causing pain is an “absolute” wrong. It is not. Pain is what forces us to reflect and grow the fuck up to avoid committing the same mistakes. Those fuckers didn’t have enough pain in their lives, because they lived it on Easy Mode. They were surrounded by yes-men and serfs constantly glazing them and laughing at their bad jokes. Now we are here.

    We don’t do shit to them because we are afraid of the pain the bodyguards, the cops or the law will lay upon us. But it should not be that way. They should be afraid of the people. Right now, they are laughing at us, doing heinous shit on purpose just to test our limit, and in the worst case scenario, normalize it. Young kids are already memeing Epstein, almost treating it like it’s no big deal or just a joke, I seriously hope they don’t carry that attitude forever, and realize that people like Epstein deserve to have their head opened to the truth as soon as you see them. Their bodyguards, I’d say are the worst people of all. The army, cops, bodyguards; they are people who openly and proudly decided to give their lives for a dude who rapes children and is not paying people what they’re truly worth, a livable wage.

    Nothing will get better until the rich fear for their lives.

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      They only know how to punish. Fear is not enough. We must obliterate them and everything they love, that those who come after will never make their mistake.

      That’s why we need to vote blue no matter who this November, to make sure they get what’s coming to them!

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        TL;DR version: Those intrusive thoughts of “obliterating everything they love” can be tempting, but there are better alternatives. “Vote blue no matter what” could change to something better, more pro-working class, something fool-proof, something even the dumbest person can understand what it’s about, because right now, I don’t think I’m lying when I say that more than half of the entire world doesn’t even know what “red vs blue” really means. They know it’s politics, but, if you asked them what they think each means… Holy Toledo.

        I have lost people to both democrat and republican presidents already, but I’d still choose a democrat, don’t get me wrong on that. It’s just that you still deserve so, so much better than what you currently have in that party.


        Long version, for the chads with big dicks:

        Those intrusive thoughts feel tempting because we keep seeing the top 1% happily sacrificing millions of innocent lives for their own pleasure, which is a reason I have a profound hate for bodyguards and anyone who works in the manufacture of weapons, bombs, bullets… Everything related to destruction. Whoever is giving the metal the shape, engineering the design, or even the janitor cleaning the office of those engineers so they can feel comfortably happy while designing the next drone that will blow the heads of some poor Muslim children… I have to say that “obliterating everything they love” is still not a good choice.

        I think putting them in jail permanently is enough of a message. Forgiving their children and family members that can prove to be genuinely different is also an important message. Killing them would make us look too barbaric, which puts the reputation at risk, and therefor the trust, even if it happens 200+ years later. We’d just have to be consistent and keep hardening the law. It has to be done en masse too; a massive wave around the world of people taking the power and using it to put all these corrupt assholes in the worst cells possible. No Pablo Escobar/Ghislaine Maxwell vacation jail bullshit.

        I don’t think we will be able to stop the angriest people from passionately assassinating some of these assholes before we do that, but I won’t stop them nor argue against them either, because I have personally lost family members in Lebanon and here in Mexico to these monsters, let alone all the innocent people throughout history, everywhere. I hate it. All that potential art and talent wasted just to please one boring psychopath asshole nobody likes, but is rich enough (because he exploited and killed others to enrich themselves) to feed us or not. We don’t really need to keep suffering to create good art either as many think. We have enough History and drama to create an endless amount of content that’d keep us entertained and happy.

        The voting blue no matter what, I hope it’s innocent deep down, but so far, I think only a small number of democrats are actually decent people, imo. The majority are under AIPAC’s command, they cannot even condemn the genocide in Gaza. They don’t want to stop funding Israel either, so. Instead of “voting blue no matter what,” I think the message should be more keen to something for the people, not some “blind support and loyalty to the party” nonsense.

        “Vote for people, not parties.”

        “Loyalty to the people, not the party.”

        “People first, parties second.”

        “Represent us or lose us.”

        “Vote for the policies and actions, not because the candidate has a D next to their name.”

        I don’t know, anything but a 1984-esque one like “vote blue no matter who.” I wish people used one that focused on Humanity, on the people, not some dick-measuring contests.

        It’s just my fantasy, it won’t happen, but whatever. I say that because I am sure the majority of the world, and I mean this: more than 60%, easily, of the entire planet, doesn’t even know what “red vs blue” even really means, honestly. Like, they know it’s about politics, but if you asked them what they think they mean… Oh, brother. A lot of people genuinely believe “communism and socialism are exactly the same thing and they both mean being lazy, being dirt poor all the time, and introducing homeless people in your home. Nothing else.”

        I am sure a lot of them are loyal to the red or blue party just because “it’s their favorite color.” Fuck that shit. Use a slogan that is fool-proof. One that even the dumbest motherfucker can understand what’s it’s about, and it’s about Class Consciousness, about the Working Class, about the People, about being paid a livable wage, being paid what you’re truly worth, that people deserve to see themselves at their full potential before they die, etc. Not some party, not some oligarchs, not Chuck Schumer and his stupid glasses. I have lost people to both democrat and republican presidents already, but I’d still choose a democrat, don’t get me wrong on that. It’s just that you still deserve so, so much better than what you currently have in that party.

        Don’t be a conformist; the Jeffrey Epstein Class worked so hard the past decades to turn us into conformists who are slowly normalizing this way of living. I hope we manage to flip that shit over and remove those broken psychopath weirdos.

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            I literally said I’d still vote blue no matter who, even after both democrat and republican presidents have killed my family. I just added that you still deserve much better than that. I said I wish you focused more on the Working Class and the People, not a party. You are the fascist here for giving your loyalty to a party instead of Humanity.

            I have lost people to both democrat and republican presidents already, but I’d still choose a democrat, don’t get me wrong on that. It’s just that you still deserve so, so much better than what you currently have in that party.

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    …Seriously?

    This guy has no leg to stand on; that’s the Mildly Infuriating part.


    EDIT: Am I the only one on Lemmy who discounts the whole post the moment I see a blue checkmark?

    Especially this one. It’s so hypocritical it hurts.

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      You either do it, or someone else will do it and start impersonating you. People with any kind of public/online presence sorta have to unfortunately.

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      Remember when the “verified” checkmark meant you were verified to be who you claim to be? I do

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      Don’t discount the message though. After all we’re interacting with a screenshot of a tweet. It doesn’t make me a fan of this guy.

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        The messenger matters.

        Would you care about anything I was saying if I was a bot?

        Or a Musk/Theil bootlicker?

        Especially on this topic. Nodding heads about the loss of the internet to engagement chum on Twitter is the opposite of poetic.

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      Steal the idea. Paraphrase it and screenshot it as your own! Victorii /s

      …Also how capitalism works, according to another post here.

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      I think other people can buy the blue checkmark for you on twitter, though my information may be faulty.

      In any case, just cause he gave money to that ass wipe Elon doesn’t mean that his analogy isn’t valid, just a little “leopards ate my face” kinda deal.

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        I think twitter also might still give blue check marks to “important” people it’s just available for anyone to buy now

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        Well, he tweets many times a day, many posts like this:

        …Seems like a “Tech Bro” Silicon Valley type to me. He’s just engagement farming; I don’t care what he says, there nothing valid about that.

        In fact, I’d wager some of those posts are automated.

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    The worst part (maybe the second worst after all the slop poisoning the internet nowadays) is the proof that copyright law is only for us poors.

    I download a copyrighted work and get a strongly worded letter from my ISP, or worse. They download all the copyrighted works; scrape the data from them; and charge for the ability to use said data to make derivative, non-transformative slop; and get fabulously wealthy from it.

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      I download a copyrighted work and get a strongly worded letter from my ISP

      So stop downloading from public trackers. Get into private trackers.

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        I meant it more as a general thing - I should have said “we” instead.

        They actually seem pretty chill about it here in New Zealand. My dad and I had one ISP notice in the early 2000s, but I’ve downloaded absolutely shitloads since and we haven’t heard a peep.

        Nowadays I tend to use Usenet anyway; the speed of even the healthiest torrents pales in comparison.

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          the speed of even the healthiest torrents pales in comparison

          Again, private trackers. =) I can easily saturate the 2.5Gbps ethernet port on my work PC. Haven’t tried pushing the full 10gig link yet, don’t want to draw attention to myself since it’s only supposed to be 2. It would have no problem though. Private torrents are seeded by seedboxes typically. And torrent longevity on private trackers beats usenet longevity, because some people never stop seeding.

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    The same people who abuse community resources (bulldoze public green spaces, kill rivers, pollute oceans, despoil lands, toxify the air, extinct animals etc.), do the exact same to information and the sources of it. They take for themselves and give nothing back. They cannot coexist with community or communal anything (which is why they hate community and socialism). They cannot give and will compulsively take. Their lives are why greed is considered a sin, insatiable and cruel, and it was wise to believe so.

    Never share anything of value with the world. Do not allow them to know value exists or they will come for it. Giving freely and openly has empowered those who advantage themselves, by stealing every idea that is shared. They are the enemy, they are the threat, their psychology is a hazard to the community.

    Share only with your communities and close those communities to these thieves. The only solution to private power is community power. We need to build back our communities and abandon everything possible that they control.

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      It’s crazy that the tragedy of the commons is only a problem because the commons are also free for people to close up and start charging for.