• Gammelfisch@lemmy.world
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    5 days ago

    According to the asswipe Krasnov, the 3 US soldiers that died yesterday were " a great deal for the rest of the world." Fuck him and his illegal war.

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    The media will hype “the troops” while ignoring the fact that “the troops” are being killed for oil, to make billionaires richer.

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      it’s worse that that: a sizeable percentage of the troops know that they’re killing innocent people, but doing it anyways because of orders.

      some try to make up for it after committing those monstrous acts, but i doubt that’s possible since their voices are just as muted as any leftist.

  • merdaverse@lemmy.zip
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    6 days ago

    “Don’t worry! I’ll come back and be venerated as a hero for protecting Western imperialism. And possibly become a “progressive” candidate for Maine, if I get enough nazi tattoos.”

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    I understand the message here, but surely the remaining population could push for change while the military part worked down their contracts.

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    I know the nuance will be hard for some. So I will start by saying that I am very against the actions of our government, and have been since a pretty young.

    But, the vast majority of our troops are in the military because it was the best or maybe only option to make a living. And that is the way the government design the economy. They make sure people have no or few other choices.

    Now compare what the military is doing to distract from the epstien files to what the billionaire class is doing. Then look at who you work for. Odds are your job in some way supports the very people who made epstien possible. So we are all complicit. Yet we all have little choice but to work. So instead of pointing your anger at someone who just like you is complicit. Point it at the people actually responsible.

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      Drug dealers and mobsters are often in it because that’s their viable option for social mobility. Therefore I will give soldiers the same respect owed to drug dealers and mobsters. All accept the reality of maybe having murder innocents for some rich jackasses too.

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        Hm, the percent of drug dealers and mobsters that don’t have an active combat like role is very very low. But the military has people like doctors and nurses among other very much non combat roles. So it isn’t really a fair comparison. And some people join the military to avoid becoming a drug dealer or mobster. It’s a step up, mostly because it is legal. And for some, they do one tour and then become productive members of society. That happens far less with drug dealers and mobsters. So at least give them the respect for choosing not to become a drug dealer or mobster.

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          It is completely fair to to your weazel words that amount to: MY LIFE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT IN THE WORLD AND I WILL EVEN KILL INNOCENTS WITHOUT HESITATION, NOT TO PRESERVE IT BUT JUST TO IMPROVE IT SOMEWHAT. That is what they all signed up for, many soldiers proudly.

          Also mobs have a high amount of support personnel too and their master’s goals necessitate far less of slaughter of innocent civilians.

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            Wow, your hands sure were busy shoving words in my mouth. Too bad you didn’t try to make any logical points. Guess you just don’t have any. And no, mobs don’t have anywhere near the percent of support personal that the military has.

    • gnuthing [they/them]@lemmygrad.ml
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      US troops are disproportionately middle class. Full article is on scidb if you wanna read the whole thing. But here is the important part:

      We show that recent recruits tend to have higher than average socioeconomic background: they dispro- portionally come from the middle of the family income, family wealth, and cognitive skill distributions, with both tails under-represented

      https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01402390.2019.1692660?src=recsys&journalCode=fjss20

      Also they are not doing this to distract from Epstein. The rich got away with that, we have not taken out any of them in retaliation. We’re not even protecting kids from troops at Ft Brag. We don’t care enough to stop them, they can do whatever they want until we hit our breaking point. Just shitty to know that pedos running concentration camps for kids is not our breaking point

      • TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today
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        Eh… Those types of studies are usually pushed by the dod from places like the Brookings institute to validate their own recruiting practices. The data behind them is questionable at best.

        For example they claim that “middle class” starts at 38k per household income, which is below the poverty level for most states with a 3 person household.

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      The same justification was made by my grandfather for joining the SA and for another two members of my extended family for joining the SS. Honestly, that is exactly what they said when I confronted them as old men.

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        I don’t know much about the SA. But my understanding was that the SS required a person to be pretty fanatical. So that is a little different than just joining the regular army to be a cook or something. It really would be more of a person by person determination, than a sweeping generalization of everyone who joined the military. There were and are certainly plenty of people who join looking to become murderers and such. But in todays military, that percentage is a lot lower then back there. There is just a lot more jobs that lead to a better career, and are often the only way many people can get to that stable life. This is of course one of the reasons they don’t want college to be free. It’s thier hook for a lot of people.

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          The SS did, in its early days, surely have high standards regarding fanaticism and race purity but later on lowered their expectations dramatically… if not on paper then at least in practice.

          Those people in my family were not bad people, at least later in life I would categorize then as good men, but opportunism led them join horrible institutions.

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    they are killing people worldwide because they are imperialistic nazis, not because they are afraid of any consequences related to epstein, because there won’t be.

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      No consequences from the Epstein-class or their puppet politicians, but there could be consequences from people like you and me if we organize a revolution.

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        Just my opinion but I feel this right here is the real reason they are pushing so hard on AI advancement and online identity verification, along with the general dislike for privacy preserving communication tools (which they’ll come for next along with the rest of open source technology). Can’t build momentum if they know everything you do.

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        hahah fat chance.

        usians are still stuck at “voting for democrats” and “attacking iran is justified”

        you’d also have to contend with the fact about a third of the population wants this.

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          I get what you mean, and no one hates Americans more than I do on some days.

          But this isn’t about you or me. If we want a better world for the children that will come after us, the US needs to go. The most assured way of ensuring that happens is Americans causing the empire to implode.

          Don’t turn them away, especially now when their role is critical

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            i wouldn’t disagree with you if the us was anywhere close.

            we have to remember trump and his warmongering doesn’t exist in a vacuum, they have expressive popular support.

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                the germans had to be stopped by the ussr, and 1945 is still a long way ahead, through a (possibly nuclear) world war.

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      If we had free college tuition and universal healthcare, there would be no one to fight the pedo oligarchs’ wars for them.

      Which is why republicans and centrist democrats oppose both free tuition and universal healthcare.

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        That’s an angle that more people should talk about, honestly.

        The mistreatment of the American populace isn’t just to keep a steady supply of cheap labor for the rich people’s investments, it’s to keep a steady supply of cheap lives for the government to do their dirty work.

        My generation’s dead and disabled veterans fell in service to that sweet Iraqi oil. Oh and the Saddam hidden underground meme, can’t forget that one!

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          It’s almost like soldiers are not immune to the material conditions that help perpetuate the capitalist empire…?

          Historically one of the most important missions for any revolution is to spread class consciousness among the imperialist troops.

          I don’t really know how people really expect a revolution to be possible while withholding class solidarity from the only people who have military training.