In Europe (or at least in France), it’s mandatory to put the nutritionnal informations per 100g. It avoids that kind of stupid things
Mexico does this too
Let’s be honest I’m guessing nearly every country does this
The downside there is that if it’s, like, Marmite, you’ll never ever eat 100g in one sitting. So, you have to do a bunch of math to figure out how much salt is in the actual smear you’re using.
We do have both on packages, per 100g and per serving, but we don’t have anything wich is a nanogram per serving containing a couple billion servings in a bottle unless it’s anti matter
Its at least more accurate than the maths of trying to multiply by the purported zero on a can of avocado oil.
Yes. They should require a certain number of significant digits, as opposed to just the nearest integer. Although someone’s saying that they actually let you round down from as many as 5 to 0, which is insane if true.
Can we talk about how Americans know the word “quarter” but constantly say “one fourth” like they are children relaying wheat yields in the 1700s
You forget, “quarter” also is the name of a coin here.
(And quarter is also housing for redcoats in our homes (which we refuse) and mercy in combat, and a vaguely one-fourth chunk of human when ripped apart by horses bolting in the primary directions.)
Apart from the coin that’s the same everywhere. And it’s because it’s “one fourth” of a dollar, which I mean, I’m not confused, who would be confused by that
Ok how do you say
1/3
How do you say 1/2
My point being is there is precedent, and it doesn’t make you stupid for not
You can also calls six “half a dozen”
I mean if anything
1/3 1/5 1/6 1/7 1/8 1/9 etc
There’s more situations where you express it like one fourth.
There’s way more valid things to harp on Americans about
None of 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, or 1/5 actually follow the precedent - it’s not threeth and fiveth - half and quarter are just the clearest. If anything, it’s sixth and upwards (downwards?) that don’t follow the precedent set by the start of the series.
Wangtooth
And legally, they are right. One serving is very, very small, and therefore, one serving is considered to have no [whatever].
Just like TicTacs. They are 100% sugar to a rounding error, but as the “serving size” is one TicTac, which weighs less than half a gram, it is legally considered “sugar free”.
Which tells a lot about the real value of “legally”.
Saying that 0.25g of oil has 0g of fat is legally wrong. Or should be, why are they rounding down one number and not the other?? Numbers should legally be rounded to the same decimality or whatever as the serving size unit.
And who the fuck cares about calories in serving size?
What about a better standard like calories per 100g?
And who the fuck cares about calories in serving size?
Calories per 100g would be highly misleading in a product like this. You might use a couple or few sprays, but you’re not going to use a significant amount.
That said, listing calories-per-standard-amount as a secondary requirement I could absolutely get behind.
The thing people need to remember about serving sizes is that they are 1) based on studies of what people actually consume, and 2) intended to be parts of a meal. You don’t eat “one serving” for a meal. You’d have a serving of several different things. It’s extremely unperfect, but at least it gives you something you can work with. I do specifically like them having to also provide “calories per container”, though - that’s a good attempt to help solve this problem.
All products in the EU must indicate all nutritional values both by serving size and by 100 g. Also as a percentage of the recommended daily dose.
It’s not hard.
Did you stop reading after my first para and ignore my second? Also, please show me where I said it was difficult.
This is why I hate Lemmy sometimes. People don’t fucking read and just go off the very tops of emotional response.
It definitely makes me want to block this community if that’s all it’s gonna be.
THIS THING GOOD
THIS THING BAD
NO NUANCE ALLOW, ME NOT HAVE BRAIN TO THINK OF MORE THAN ONE THING AT A TIME
It’s not hard.
Reading apparently is. To people here, not you or just you at least.
JFC. The irony of this entire comment, but the best is…
This is why I hate Lemmy sometimes. People don’t fucking read and just go off the very tops of emotional response… *Proceeds into emotional rant about stupid users*
The lack of self-awareness here is nearly palpable.
I fucking read it all and comprehended, so fuck off.
That sure seems like another off the top emotional response. It feels like someone here might have a double standard.
Oh it seems I can’t add a photo in a comment.
Wanted to share one of the olive oil I have here:
Durchschnitt /100ml:
Energie 3389 kJ/824 kcal Fett 91,6g davon gesättigte Fettsäuren 14,2g Kohlehydrate 0g davon Zucker 0g Eiweiß 0g Salz 0g
(Energy, fat, saturated fats, carbohydrates, sugar, salt)
I now can easily compare different Oils with each other and also have some compassion how much energy per volume the oil has. If I need the exact values for my “serving”, I can easily and correctly calculate them.
Oh and liquids are specified in amount person 100ml, not per amount in 100g.
This is useful info. And of course when I use OIL I know what I do, the differences aren’t too large between oils, energy-wise. For snacks I do glance at that info, however.
(Oh and the label info made me less afraid of using oils - I use quite a lot of olive oil, even more than sunflower oil for cooking. I can use A LOOOT of oil in my cooking , if I just leave out that snickers bar later in the day)
Update: Btw my sunflower oil declares a serving to be 10ml, while still listing the 100ml values.
Calories per serving size is even more misleading here than calories per 100g, given that they’ve chosen their “serving size” by what numbers it lets them put on the packaging instead of by what someone would actually use.
Like Europe uses?
The difference here is that I can reasonably believe the quarter second of spray being an accurate serving, but nobody has just one tictac.
Quarter of a second of spray is vastly less reasonable as a serving size, no matter how unreasonable you consider stopping at a single tictac.
Which tells a lot about the real value of “legally”.
Maybe, but it’s also a reflection of the true usage in these cases. Okay, say they are legally required to list it as one calorie. That basically makes zero difference to how people consume these products - barring some sort of weird edge cases.
Why wouldn’t it be
It’s… oil
Look at the serving size.
basically all arosol’s do that as well, same for pam and just about every other spray, and yeah it’s shady as hell, it’s much like tictac’s are technically sugar free… in spite of being 90% sugar, because their serving size is 1 piece.
it’s shady as hell,
If you consume more than a calorie or two or maybe even a very few from that oil, you are doing it wrong.
1/4th of a second is already more than 2 calories. You’re really underestimating how much oil is used at a time. No one is using less that 1/4th second sprays
https://chosenfoods.com/products/avocado-oil-spray-2
Wow, even on their website.
Just like Tic Tacs have “0 sugar”
lmao, that’s so shameless. Avocado oil is one of the most calorie-dense food in existence.
Say “one one-thousand two one-thousand” at normal pace
Have you ever sprayed cooking oil for that long? I haven’t, and either way that’s only 18 calories
I wouldn’t consider this terribly misleading, 0.25 second spray for 1 serving of food is very reasonable. Should it really say 2 calories? Yeah, I think it should. Does it matter that much, though?
Of course it matters. It’s oil, of course it has calories, and of course it contains fat. To claim otherwise is simply lying.
And I regularly spray cooking oil for at least two seconds when prepping a sheet tray for baked goods or to roast vegetables, prepping bowls for dough, or a whole host of other common cooking tasks. Don’t try and pretend a 1/4 second spritz is the norm, or a useful serving size for something like oil.
You’re addressing half of my point. How many servings of veggies are you making when spraying for 2 seconds?
Multiple. I still want to know how many actual calories I’m adding to those veggies though, because it’s not zero.
I have the answer! It’s, as near makes no difference, zero.
Are you this concerned over the calorie content of spices like oregano, which aren’t required to report at all, as well?
Lol now I want to make a grocery store where everything is zero calories but the servings are like 1K to 100K. Like how much could this be abused before they close the loophole?
So it would take like 6.3 minutes of just holding down the button to fully empty the can ?
I don’t believe it
how do you measure 1/4 of a second of spray?
my wife buys this shit from costco
does it come with a good stop watch?
It’s zero calories per serving, of which there are over 1500 in that can. It’s a rounding error. If each serving has say 0.2 calories, the whole can might contain 300.
Also, “1/4 second spray”
Are you using a fucking aerosol can of avocado oil? 🤨
It’s pretty good stuff. Plant based, easy to apply, higher smoke point than olive oil.
Avocado oil isn’t the problem, but aerosol? I’ve never even seen that
Just so happens I have some myself. It is air pressure based.
Ah, I see. I didn’t realize oil could be pressurized that way.
Sprays have their use cases for griddles and molds that need to be lubed.
Not my daily driver for fats but I don’t see the problem.
I suggest getting a reusable 2-in-1 spray/pour bottle. Saves a little money if you’re buying two things of oil. If you’re as frugal as me then you buy the oil from a discount store too.what i don’t get is who uses that little oil that they have to spray it? i just pour oil all over it.
You may not get it, that’s fine, but it is an extremely common cooking technique. What you’re saying is like saying “Why do people steam things? I don’t steam things, that’s just stupid” (I know you didn’t say it was stupid)
Pouring oil will be right in some cases, but in other cases WAY more oil and WAY less distributed than desired.
Why do people steam things?
Which is funny because I just posted about using spray oil on my egg poacher. :)
One example would be my 1960s egg poacher, about all I use spray for. I could use butter, and have!, but the spray ensures it hits the entire surface and the egg no stick. Yes, I could wipe it with a buttered paper towel, but that’s messy.
Having said that, I refuse to pay the ridiculous price for spray oil. Only reason I use it is that my wife stocks it for whatever reason.
https://mistooilsprayer.com/ Mine pumps up and sprays like a can
The issue I have with plastic spray nozzles and units with oil is that they get gunky even if you clean them after every use. And most heads are not supposed run through the dishwasher. Which is highly impractical for us. For a while I bought a new one every year just to replace the top part.
How soon before this started happening?
My misto started doing a 50:50 spray stream after 5 years. I ran soapy water through it and it got better, does need some upkeep though. After 5 years, i might consider it worn out.
I also haven’t had one yet that didn’t leak everywhere…
Those clog pretty quickly
Sure, but they also clean very easily. It’s not like a clog kills them, unless you’re using a drying oil, something that turns into varnish inside the pump.
Why not pump-based spray? I thought we were done with aerosols…
It’s not aerosol. It’s just pressurized.
I see. I stand corrected.
I mean, technically it’s an aerosol since it’s a spray, but it doesn’t use the harmful chemicals that ate the ozone layer.
Then how is OP going to get enough ozone in his diet?
He leaves all of his light switches almost flipped to release the magic smoke.
Yeah, the miracle serving sizes. Similar to how tic-tacs are advertised as “low calorie” when they’re basically flavored sugar.
The more interesting why is this in Metric, not in stones, oz, cups or other funny system they’re using.
You, too, are 0 calories if we eat you in small enough bites.
