Looks like America (and the rest of the world) has to suffer him at this stage, unless they go full coup de tar mode.
I wonder what the future leaders will look like for Russia, USA and China…
We thought we couldn’t do worse than Bush, but here we are. I’m not holding my breath for the future. I’m expecting 4 years of someone not a total asswipe and then we elect mecha hitler or someone somehow worse.
Oof i was watching old Bush speeches about trading with other countries on youtube and felt weird when he sounded smarter than Trump.
Hopefully the next person can even undo some of the cords Trump has managed to tangle, if not cut completely
Fixing what trump has broken will be a generational project, and nobody will be given the time required.
China is the interesting one. Since Deng , it’s been an interesting and varied toss up of goals and actions mixed with pragmatism and technological improvements.
I wish Hu’s reforms went further, the oppression of minorities halted and Pooh bear wasn’t in charge
Mmmm a very interesting one. I guess growing up during the Cultural Revolution after having your high-ranking dad purged makes you hungry lol
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Good thing no one has set a precedent for kidnapping or blowing up leaders.
Republicans need to go blue. They’re going to target purple areas for election fraud- deep red states need to go “That’s it, we’re done. You won’t do anything, so we’re changing parties.” They can fix small elections but can’t fix the whole country.
Nothing significant is going to change with either of the two parties, both are bought by AIPAC and will continue to do Israel’s bidding as long as this system exists
Thats not going to happen. The small capitalists and other cult members are simply going to stay home on election day if Trump continues to fuck up.
If the dems do manage to materially improve people’s lives, or at least create the perception of helping them, then the dem base will come out to vote.
The only way the dems could fuck this up is if they run on centrist bullshit chasing republican votes, again.
The only way the dems could fuck this up is if they run on centrist bullshit chasing republican votes, again.
I wish I had any confidence that they learned their lesson after trying that with Kamala. However, I have none.
So you’re saying I’ll have to vote centrist for 2028?
If the DNC gets their way, it’ll be your only option. Then in 2030 we lose congress again and 2032 we get another Trump.
We need to trash this plurality voting that keeps us stuck in this quagmire. Any other voting system would be better than continuing to use the worst method that leads us back to the next Trump in 4 to 8 years.
Sit around and wait. No matter what you think will happen next election he is old and not the image of healthy living.
People are literay dying because of him, Americans as well as others. Just waiting around seems quite unfair to them.
Such an unsatisfactory way to deal with orange baby tyrant.
Heard things won’t happen the way we expect. He’s in late stage dementia with sleeping etc and the only people around him are those that will use him til end of life. His immediate family sees him only as capital.
Now that the corpos and billionaires know that they can be openly and brazenly corrupt and greatly accelerate their schemes, we will never see a return to the politics of old where hiding it minimized profit regardless of who the next puppet figurehead is. You cannot un-ring the bell.
i am predicting a small civil war during/after the november elections
Wanna bet? That’s the new thing I hear.
It’s basically this.
With the US’ bonkers electoral system, and abysmal education levels, you’re pretty much cooked.
You have an oligarchy, a captured state, a corporatocracy. Oligarchs tell voters to vote for the leader who will benefit them most.
Research suggests that it doesn’t actually take that many people to convince those oligarchs that another leader will be in their best interests. For example, if 3% of people who regularly buy things from Amazon and visit facebook and use ChatGPT, stopped doing those three things indefinitely by switching to alternatives, that would likely be enough.
However, I just don’t believe that’s achievable.
Fingers crossed…
Sometimes those people’s necks just start squirting randomly.
We’ve seen it happen.
“Everyone’s saying it…”
The way I see the only chance is if Peter Thiel backs a Trump removal sometime after the midterms. In that case we would have Trump out.
On the other hand, the goal would be so that J. D. “Couchfucker” Vance can serve the remainder of his term and then still be constitutionally eligible for two terms, leading to a decade of President J. D. “I Also Fucked Erika Kirk Because I Actually Hate My Wife Who Isn’t White And Isn’t Christian” Vance 🫡🇺🇸🛋️💦✝️🙏
Vote enough non-Republicans into Congress, impeach, and convict? Wait for whatever is turning his skin purple to take its course?
Kind of had 4 years to get that shit figure out and still fumbled.
Yeah, and Dem voters are pissed as Hell about it. If we hand them the House and Senate in November, and Schmuck & Jeffries continue with their MAGA comedy act, then we’ll be forced to take matters into our own hands, and when that happens, any treasonous Democrats like them will go down right along with the MAGAs.
4? Closer to 200
Welcome to democracy & divided, partisan voters.
In November he’s going to try and steel the election, if we effective block that, his days are numbered, so get organized locally.
Sorry lone wolves, you had your shot and and all your incoherent takes achieved was a poll boost for him.
Dude helmed one of the biggest child sex trafficking rings in history, whipped his loyalists into a coup attempt with false claims of “stolen election”, suffered no consequences for that, came back promising revenge, pardoned his convicted loyalists, turned them into a private army that has been given carte blanche to murder peaceful opposition, is operating death camps, has kidnapped and murdered the leaders of foreign countries with impunity, routinely ignores those in his own party and Supreme Court when they occasionally oppose him, is threatening all sorts of voter suppression (up to cancelling elections), defies the Constitution by calling for a third term, is backed by a cabal of the most wealthy and powerful individuals in the nation who are also clients of his child sex trafficking ring, is beloved by the nation’s police forces, has seized total control of the military, and has already ignored every check and balance that exists because he can. You can flip the entire Congress blue but unless they find someone who can physically extricate him and his cronies from their positions, he can ignore every impeachment, court order, and protest if he says “nah, I’m staying”. You really think his backers have worked this hard to gain control just to lose it in two years to the will of the people, the people they know would have a helluva time matching them blow for blow to force his removal?
Don’t not vote, but don’t be so assured winning at the polls translates into the first step of over-throwing the regime. I mean, what are you going to do if voters say “time for you to go” and his response is “fuck you, make me”?
My point is that in November he will try shenanigans and people will need to take to the streets to enforce the results of the election.
If he fails to steel the elections in November his days will be numbered.
The outcome of the elections is less important than the willingness of people to defend them, when he sends in the FBI to steel uncounted ballotboxes in purple districts.
And my point is that regardless of whether he successfully steals them, suppresses them, intimidates voters, even if opposition wins big, without teeth to back up any action they take against him (like impeachment), he’s in a position of power that he needs to keep himself and all of his cronies out of prison. A win for the opposition, even if the opposition breaks with Democratic leadership and starts coming at him hard, is just delaying the inevitable fight to be rid of him and his regime. The opposition wants to obey the rule of law, and that’s a good standard, but we’re dealing with a person in power that ignores the balance of power, defies the courts, and has the support of law enforcement. He keeps calling our bluff and letting us play by the rules while he breaks or ignores every last one to the applause of his base. How many of his supporters did we see lusting for a Putin-style strongman that puts on the facade of elections and democracy but would never concede to the will of the people? They’ve found their dude and will fight just as hard to keep him in power at the expense of democracy as he will. People need to be willing to defend more than the right to vote, they need to be willing to take action when voting occurs but the results are ignored.
Vote in better Congresspeople who will vote to remove him from office. The problem is the people. Always has been.
People yes, but also the system is extremely fucked up and stacked against people. If you are unlucky to be born in bumfuck Alabama, you’ll grow up with your asshole priest telling you lies, your TV / Radio telling you lies, your patents telling you lies because they too were lied to and your school being underfunded and shitty.
It’s a vicious cycle that we allowed to get to a point of no return and it is not easy for somone to get out of it.
And this is by design, the elites used religion and propaganda to brainwash a huge swath of people.
I honestly think even they are surprised how well they did, because they were afraid they went too far when Trump got into office the first time.
They thought they had pushed their luck and now a fully open conman rapists was the leader of their party.
But, the brainwashing was too strong and complete, the cult members are literally cheering him on as he’s killing people.
I get that and I could see that as an excuse maybe 10-15 years ago, but my thinking is that in the age of regular internet availability, nation-wide, there is less of an excuse to be ignorant and it’s more of a choice at this point about whether you are informed or not.
It is got you because you are not in their bubble. The tech oligarchy has fully isolated the cult of MAGA.
Cults in the past had to be in a physical compound to keep the lie going, but today you have X, Facebook and FOX News which does not let any outside information in.
And let’s be real, your racist grandpa doesn’t know about lemmy or how to make an account or how to spot news slop.
Again, his highschool education barely thought him evolution, and critical thinking skills were not on the curriculum.
An exceptionally blue midterm this year. Not gonna happen this time around, as it needs a majority far beyond what is achievable in just one midterm election, but the long term clue is to have people willing to hold him accountable, instead of a congress consisting of 50% yes-men.
There’s a lot of justified hate towards the dems, but believing voting for neither serves anyone but the doofus in charge is naive at best
Send a message to the Trisolarians.
All hails our alien overlords!
Do they have a phone number or email? At this point, I’d like some outside help.
1/3 of US renters not paying their rent in a coördinated strike for one month would unwind a lot of landlord loans and collapse Wall Street which is where Trump stores his wealth.
Here’s a wild and crazy thought…
Win an election. Preferably 2, and preferably by a wide margin.
Feels like we’ve tried everything short of actually winning.
I think the old ways are all gone. all the folks saying “just vote!” are optimistic but grossly underestimate the state of compromised U.S. politics at a level never seen before. never will there be another election that he doesn’t taint. and I mean taint.
i think “voting” people into office happens all over the globe with varying degrees of successes and failures and gridlock. ultra rich pocket the leaders that have a price and remove those that dont.
i vote gate storm. we must form a more perfect union, plus he himself established the precedent that it’s fine and those that do are patriots…
This is why relying on “political will” to enforce accountability is incompetent.
You’ll notice that Noem is now facing possible perjury-prosecution, but the in-favor/in-power ones aren’t…
Politically-based “accountability” is accountability-to-power’s-narcissism, only, in the end.
It has to be done automatically, at the system-level.
It had to be automatic that he couldn’t even be eligible for election, instead of “saying sorry after gets shit done, whereas asking permission gets one prevented” kind of thing.
DarkTriad/DarkTetrad people have to be automatically & systematically prevented from authority-roles.
Society-wide.
No “political” alternative prevents the problem anywhere-near so efficiently.
So, to your question “is there anything else anyone can do to get Trump out”, no: it’s too late.
Any attempt at impeaching him, now, would trigger his invoking of The Insurrection Act, & activating total-dictatorship.
Which he is going to do regardless, once his frustration reaches high-enough intensity.
“a penny’s worth of prevention is worth a pound/euro of cure” is still true.
But at-last the lessons of what the Christians call “armageddon”, these next 6-decades, will be significant…
Once the tippingpoint’s crossed, I expect the Regional Consolidation Time to be Trump ditching/ignoring all the rest of the world except for his wars on conquering the Americas. ALL of them. Civil War Part2: confederate reverse-takeover & vengeance … will only be a sub-plot, not the whole thing.
About 1/2-way through the 7-y cycle, I expect him to be replaced with Musk.
The problem isn’t them: the problem is humankind’s collective-unconscious-mind’s ego-games, its “apocalypse” “proving its ego’s IMPORTANCE”, that “nothing is more god than ego’s TANTRUM/POGROM is!!”.
So, fundamentally, it’s The Great Filter: our underlying toddler-nature breaking the world to “beat god and make god obey!!”.
Trump, Putin, Millei, Farage, Orban, etc, highjacking the world for their exclusive-wealth/oligarchy … that’s only “makeup”.
The communist-party’s imperialism, in various national variants, is every bit as “fascist” in its DarkTetrad as individual-centered-fascism is.
The fundamental difference between individualism vs collectivism doesn’t make imperialism somehow become not imperialism.
Party-imperialism’s murdered millions.
What’s the difference between how bad well-accomplished-sociopathy of the left is, vs the right?
the well-accomplished-sociopathy’s the same, only the political-left vs political-right is different.
So why ignore the underlying sociopathy??
As ideologues consistently do.
It’s foolish, in my opinion, to think that Putin & Trump are going to remain contradicting: their underlying goal is the same: competitive-nihilism & competitive-narcissism, at EVERYBODY-ELSE’s expense.
But they’re only 2 of many representatives of that “church”.
See the overall-picture, not the only-local view: it’s global, the forces are implacable, & humankind’s positioned to … not do well, this century.
Unless someone massively changes humankind’s viability…
which would take dimensions of competence, & dimensions of self-conquering, that normals never allow anyone to earn ( far too “outlier” )
So, humankind is “walking the plank”, now.
Other paths were possible…
Does anybody understand that preventing genociding in Palestine would have required about 6+decades of the UN being the only gov’t there, & NO ideology imprinting anybody, not through education, not through prejudice, not through abuse, not through apartheid, not on either side!
& keep holding that, generation after generation, until the prejudices were extingushed-sufficiently.
No other path could have worked.
Making-believing, while accommodating ideological-prejudice’s perpetual self-entrenchment sure as hell didn’t work!
It’s the same in the US.
It takes decades to create a population who can do correct-reasoning, & who is loyal-to/valuing-of it.
It takes only months to eradicate that, replacing it with ideological-prejudice.
The brain-system driving ideological-prejudice is more-primitive, more emotional.
The brain-system driving correct-reasoning & objectivity is the recentest part of the brain, the outer cortex ( top of brain, btw ).
the problem isn’t local: it’s racial. Whole-species.
Humankind’s fighting-off moral-anxiety & correct-reasoning & objectivity by digging-into programmed-reacting, animal-“reasoning”, ideology, prejudice, & ideological-“morality”.
& about 9/10 of humankind’s on the side of ideology, from the looks of things.
Trump’s a symptom, not a cause.
The cause is whole-species-wide: our unconscious-ignorance’s fighting-for-its-totalitarian-dominion.
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