Edit for reasoning-I tend to enjoy mean spirited funny stuff sometimes. Creators are typically kind of shitty/immoral people but I still enjoy it. I feel conflicted sometimes but still end up watching and enjoying.
In significantly smaller amounts, but yes. No Hitler ate sugar.
Yes, I choose to watch news from all oulets… for better or worse
Same but with an exception for in-your-face propaganda.
Every physician in the world uses Nazi data collected using the corpses of Jews. Most anatomy books uses drawings mad by Nazis. Just the swastikas have been airbrushed out. The data collection was never repeated.
The Japanese got in on it too; google Unit 731. Among the outright torture and biological warfare they did some genuine if extremely unethical experiments, learning a lot about several diseases. In a similar case to Werner Von Braun, the US granted the leaders immunity in exchange for their research data.
using the corpses of Jews
Making the corpses of Jews. The vast majority of Nazi “medical” “science” was just an excuse to torture people, and has no scientific use because they didn’t follow scientific practices like “writing stuff down”
While I agree with the core of your statement, the OP is asking about media. I don’t think comparing medical or scientific breakthroughs by unethical means to art/content made by unethical people makes sense…
I struggle with it and am hypocritical about that.
Roman Polanski was convicted of a terrible crime, but I appreciate his work.
Weinstein’s production company made many of my favorite movies.
Kevin Spacey played some of my favorite characters.
Yeah thats all true and a tough thing to swallow I guess.
it’s 100% unavoidable. Hollywood breeds psychopathy and Celebrity Status attracts the worst of us and corrupts those with shaky morals.
Power breed psychopathy.
No, power doesn’t breed the mental illness, but it does attract those with that deficiency and give them a massive advantage. When you don’t give a shit about people because of a fundamental lack of empathy, it’s easier to step on everyone around you to make it to the top.
I read/listen/watch my Harry Potter books and movies that I’ve had for 20 years because it basically kept me alive when I was in the closet and it’s a big part of me but also fuck JK Rowling.
I do, even art that conveys bad values. Some amazing choir songs are written by religious zealots, rap songs that are sexists, and artists like Rammstein who are bad people singing about bad things, but i still enjoy their music. Listening to extreme metal really sets your bar low for what quality music should be and what message it should hold.
Most people, even those who scream the loudest about human rights, tend to wear sweatshop clothes made by kids who occasionally burn to death because it’s slightly cheaper to not have fire escapes.
Not enjoying an artist who in most cases isn’t even profiting off of my enjoyment just seems silly. I prefer to focus my efforts on the actual harms to which I, like so many of us, really do contribute.
If the content itself doesn’t reflect the creator’s shittiness, yes, but I won’t pay for it.
yes and so does everyone. you literally cannot avoid it, stop caring. you will drive yourself insane.
Yeah I suppose thats true.
it sucks and i hate it, but evil people can make great art. the art itself is innocent (unless it portrays the artist themselves) and deserves its own reputation.
You can still try to minimise your engagement.
i honestly ask why bother? if the art itself contains nothing of the artist’s actions or personal support then let it speak for itself otherwise you have to screen every piece of art you consume even in passing. exhausting. shitty people are everywhere.
Best example is JK Rowling who uses the money she makes with her art to harm people. I don’t want to support that. Also, I think it’s important that shitty people who have public personas experience public consequences so as to deter other shitty people.
That person had a bit of a bad reputation after a bunch of people came forward about how they were molested? But otherwise they kept making money with their art and are now richer than ever? Cool, I’mma go show my genitalia to my secretary again!
That person lost everything when their shittiness became known because people refused to engage with their art? I better think twice about how I treat my subordinates.
I also don’t feel good about consuming art where people had to work together with shitty people and put themselves in danger doing so. No you can’t always decide who you work with.
Yes it can be exhausting to keep track of what to avoid. Tough titties. It’s not as hard as what victims of shitty people have to endure.
again, it’s different if the person is visibly doing harm based on their work or because of it. yeah it’d make sense to cut support. but we’re not talking specifically about people like Rowling, the question is about “bad people” which is a spectrum. an artist you like is probably racist due to certain things uncovered? okay you can stop listening to them but there are 12 other artists you like who are racist and you don’t even know, and let’s say one of those 12 created something instrumental in your life that defined your own love of art. now what?
How does that clash with what I said? I’ll stop supporting them. I might continue listening to the music I already have (if it means that much to me) but I’m not buying anything new.
it doesn’t clash but i never said to apply this to artists whose work is more damaging or is used as such lol. i was responding to your comment is all.
If I know someone is a terrible person, I can’t enjoy their work. Besides not wanting to financially support them, I like to put myself in an author’s, actor’s, writer’s shoes when I watch/read stuff.
That said, I don’t purposefully look into people’s lives; I’m not into celebrity gossip. But sometimes a person is such an outlier or just so vocal about it that it’s unavoidable.
It’s almost impossible to do with music.
TBH it depends, I kinda dropped most of Disturbed’s stuff because of the lead vocalist LITERALLY FUCKING AUTOGRAPHING BOMBS THAT WERE THEN DROPPED IN GAZA. I only kept one song out of all of them and it was Decadence because Need For Speed Most Wanted 2005 was an important part of my childhood. Either way, I usually download all my music (don’t ask me how) so I’m not technically giving money to any of them.
I mean, dude was raised Orthodox. It’s pretty unsurprising that he’d be on Israel’s side.
But that’s why I torrent music instead of buying it.
I was enjoying Sandman until shit went down with the author and it really left a bad taste in my mouth, just kind of dropped it instinctively
Yeah I did finish it because he wasn’t a part of season 2 but still left a bad taste in my mouth.
There’s plenty of good stuff made by decent people out there, I’m fine with dropping someone awful. I also like to think it helps me avoid picking up bad behaviors or internalizing shitty ideas.
I try to at least not give those people money.
I’m too tired to really spend my time being too correctional on what I should or shouldn’t enjoy based on the actions some people do. It really depends. Ian Watkins is an exception, a horrible person, who made it easy for me to drop everything Lostprophets-related.
I still listen to Disturbed, because there’s way too many songs I like from them. I don’t have to care about David Draiman and I don’t, because of what he did.
I will still enjoy Harry Potter, because I believe the universe is bigger than J.K Rowlings to where, anything she does or says will not knock down my enjoyment of that universe. I can and will ignore her existence.
