Only the ones drinking the red hat koolaid.
What do you mean by “started”? When we overthrew their government? Or used Iraq against Iran in a proxy war? Or the Trump invasion that isn’t a war but is instead a police action for world peace ordained by God in a Holy Crusade?
We haven’t had an election since it started.
I don’t think you can homogenize Americans.
Some never voted for Trump.
Some others did but will be voting for ‘the other side’ because of inflation.
And some others think the US is doing just fine in the war and see higher gas prices as part of the ‘good fight’.
I don’t think you can homogenize Americans.
Yes you can, USA is a country, and the government is acting on behalf of the whole population.
That is not about individuals that may disagree on all sorts of things, but the country as a whole, and what their administration, government and lawmakers are doing.It is so tiresome with these derogatory posts about how Americans aren’t all alike, as if it isn’t obvious.
Trump started it illegally. He should have already been executed by now. November is when we can vote in people who will do just that
If gas drops below $4/gal by Nov, they’re filling in the maga circles. Trump is the symptom not the cause.
If you’re talking about the truck drivers, they were just never aware of it. Global politics aren’t their concern. Getting brown people out of the pool of possible competitors was, and they voted accordingly. Papa Trump told them that Iranians are brown and therefore have to go, and they backed him. They’re also Muslim, so, you know, guilt by association for 9/11, at least in the minds of the uneducated masses. To be fair, these people also believed the president they voted for when he said he could beat Iran in a few weeks. They thought Trump would control all the oil by then and sell it to them cheap. They thought they were his people because they waved the same flag and carried guns. But they got to keep a brown woman from becoming president, so they still consider that a net win… even with diesel having nearly tripled in price. It’s like that quote by former US president Johnson about giving white Americans a brown or Black man to look down upon. And they’ll vote all the way down the Republican ticket in November, too. Because, they will tell you, eventually that cheque will come in. (And they still believe they’ll get the $1776 for the America 250, the $2000 DOGE cheque, the $3000 tariffs cheque… and they believe the Trump phone was made in America…)
Global politics aren’t their concern. Getting brown people out of the pool of possible competitors was, and they voted accordingly.
I want to shout this from the rooftops every time someone says “white conservatives vote against their own interests.”
No they don’t, you just don’t understand what their interests are. Their interests are cultural superiority, namely white conservative Christian culture. That’s what they vote for.
That’s not quite what people mean when they say that, at least not what I mean when I talk about this concept.
Having a favored position (i.e. having the dominant culture being white conservative christian culture) is what buys the obedience of these individuals within capitalism.
They are still voting against their interests (protecting capitalism) and more importantly are rejecting class consciousness, with the promise that they will be treated better than the out groups.
You mean they are voting against what their interests should be, then.
Sure. I don’t think it’s in anyone’s interest allow critical infrastructure to crumble while giving tax cuts to corporations but I don’t know everything.
“Interests” doesn’t only refer to what someone finds important or interesting. It’s also about their own well being and financial stakes. Even if they are pro being dicks to everyone else, their interests are still harmed by the abysmal Republican economic policies.
But that’s you deciding what you think their interests should be.
Usually when people say that they mean “they are voting for people and policies that do not benefit them economically.” This is often true. But it’s not where their interests lie when it comes to the ballot box.
It’s not just me though, I should have been more clear. It’s foundational to certain anti capitalist theory, and important when organizing around that roadblock. It’s also useful in understanding why the trans Atlantic slave trade wasn’t as universally viewed with distain.
Black Reconstruction in America by W.E.B. Du Bois is a good text, as is Settlers.
I’m not saying it’s straight up fact because I can’t know the inner working of everyone’s mind, and it certainly isn’t a conscious decision they make. It fits with what I see in my area and has been helpful in organizing here.
Whenever I can’t figure out why the USA is doing violence somewhere far away from home, the answer is usually manifest destiny. It didn’t end on the continent.
If you believe that that it is god’s will that you assert your will, it’s easy to blame the enemy for not just handing over what you want from them.
(Imperialism isn’t unique to the USA, but I think their history allows the government to face less opposition then they might face in other countries. Even if it’s just getting mad it’s not a polite person dropping the bombs. )
