Or do people think that Lemmy is a neutral, open-minded, safe community? Not like evil Reddit.
EDIT: Talking about mainstream instances like ml or world.
See examples of violent comments towards me and instead of mods removing their comments, they removed mine.
The comment that the all caps person was replying to was me saying that there are non-human targets. Users were assuming I want to kill people and turns out they are the ones that want to kill.
So what…because a couple people reacted to your terrible “edgy” comment…all of Lemmy is in lockstep against you?
Another day, another user gets turned on to the culture over at .ml
You don’t have to interact with them if you don’t want to.
Lemmy is pretty tolerant compared to Reddit. Having said that, .ml is a tankie hellscape that is the lefts version of maga.
It’s so bizarre. I wonder if they know that they’re pretty much the same people as MAGA.
Lemmy is a neutral, open-minded, safe community?
A community cannot both be neutral and safe. Being safe involves picking a side and pushing back against harmful shit. Being neutral involves letting the harmful shit slide, as long as it’s hate presented in a civil and polite fashion.
Which is to say, I have absolutely zero interest in a “neutral” community.
So stay in your echo chamber.
Other people believe neutrality can exist and actively practice it. You basically are claiming anyone who isn’t on your side, is against you, and therefore is hateful. That’s an actively hostile position to work from.
If you’re not on the side of any marginalised group, if you’re neutral about their marginalisation, then you are ok with them being marginalised.
Which is why, as I said, a community can not be both neutral and safe.
Edit - Imagine my surprise when it turns out you’re a transphobe who complains about being called out for having “moderate” opinions about trans folk
It’s only an ‘echo chamber’ when they’re the minority. Every website must be populated by bigoted assholes!
I understand this as the paradox of tolerance, but what I’m saying is neutral in bias. From responses it seems people on Lemmy understand that they’re biased.
Yep. I’m trans. I have zero desire to exist in a space that is “neutral” to me having equal rights. I actively and deliberately choose spaces that are not neutral, and I imagine many/most marginalised communities are the same. Neutrality is not a privilege many of us can afford
Or do people think that Lemmy is a neutral, open-minded, safe community? Not like evil Reddit.
What ? the ? fuck ?
Lemmy is better because it’s not centralised and corporate controlled and there’s a granular ability to scale and block. You can have an entire instance with only you on it if you want.
So, yeah, like everyone said .ml is horrific. Anyone I’ve blocked has been from there. I still haven’t blocked the instance and dont plant to. .world and every other instance I’ve seen is absolutely a left wing echo chamber. There isn’t really any conservative thought/speech here. Which is fine by me because I hear enough of that shit from my coworkers. It’s really just a scale of how far left/communist/anarchist/extremist they go. .ml is comprised almost exclusively of the lattermost but the rest are a mix. I’m a liberal so I don’t mind but I do recognize only one side has a seat at the table here.
That’s good to know. Best to be self-aware. I don’t mind the left-leaning either, but definitely not a space to have any productive conversation challenging left beliefs and opinions.
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(a) In all seriousness, people, unless you’re specifically into that sort of thing, just don’t use lemmygrad.ml, hexbear.net, or lemmy.ml communities. Going there, having a bad time, and then coming back and reporting on other instances how much things suck there just wastes your time and wastes the time of people who are already avoiding those instances.
(b) If you specifically want to complain about conditions there, there’s a whole community dedicated to that, !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works. Or if you want to complain specifically about moderator/admin actions, !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com.
Thanks for the info. Even after a year or so on Lemmy I’m still figuring things out.
Fair enough, I guess, if you didn’t know. I shouldn’t grouse at you.
I see so much hate for ml but every conversation ive had with a ml or MLM is fine and very thoughtful. Whats the issues?
There’s a bit of a summary here:
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I’ve personally found many of my comments to end with me giving up after brigading but I also find the views to be on a far end of an ideological spectrum. I once attempted to put forward a simple scenario and asked what solution they thought was appropriate and they refused and simply said something like “you don’t understand, socialism is a core belief I have” and that was about when I decided interaction there wasn’t worth my time
I think your missing the point of federation. If some place is crappy or you feel its run by crappy folks you can go to another or start your own. You could sorta do that on reddit but ultimately it went to a single authority. Whats nice here is I can hang or places or not. This gets back to my big thing. Blocking. Instances should avoid blocking and such as much as possible but users should do it liberally. This piss you off. Block the community so you don’t accidentally engage with it in future. We literally can make the experience we want and the whole. you will put yourself in a bubble thing. thats fine. I put myself in a bubble any time I decide to hang out in place or folks in the real world or avoid places and folks. im fine with that. When the internet was smaller and not so full of trump it was maybe I wanted to see everything but now Im more looking to avoid the trumpy trump that is all over the place.
Yeah I get that and should block instances more. I’ve just found that outside of the mainstream instances there isn’t a lot of interaction or content.
I belive in blocking rather than subscribing. I look at all and see plenty of content and interaction.
i get it, but I also don’t want to create an echo chamber for myself and be blind to parts of the world.
im like 100% fine with it. As I said in real life I decide to frequent places I like and avoid places I don’t and I never worried about that putting me in an echo chamber. Plus that is limited to stuff local to me as opposed to everything available across the world. Why would I feel that way about the internet?
I just need to know what’s going on with people. the good and the bad, so I can gauge what’s going on with the world.
You can always create more than one account. You could have one to look at stuff you like where you block everything else and another for looking at the rest.
Getting bombarded with negativity all the time is much more destructive than choosing when you interact with it.
yeah its like after work the first place you want to hit is that one with the jerk bouncer who makes fun of you and suggests he won’t let you in and insist you go change your shirt. The one with the nazis and facists who talk your ear off on how we need solutions for some people. Good or bad its important to know. Insert whatever other crap needs to be known. I don’t get my news from here. I might encounter it but I don’t expect to be informed by randos on the internet. No offense to you or anyone else. I just don’t get how people don’t treat social media like they do real life.
i don’t get news from here either. i just don’t want to be blind to what’s going on. i’ve already blocked ml, but i’m glad i know it and its users exist and what they’re like. i wouldn’t spend my weekends in conservative spaces, but i’m not opposed to having conversations with or being around conservative people. good to have perspective for why people are the way they are instead of just the headlines read and then grouping people into buckets.
Fantasizing about participating in a war is pretty shitty, regardless of whether or not non-human targets exist. You could fantasize about winning a drone racing or stunt competition to surprise people with your skill instead and look way less psychopathic.
Calling for OP’s death over that fantasy is way more shitty though. And the moderators left that up.
ESH.
OP, the dude replying, and Ozma.
You’re right about the bias.
I propose you look for an instance that does not federate with .ml
Thanks. I didn’t realize ml was so infamous. How do I know if they federate with them or not?
It can be handy to look at fediseer too:
https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/lemmy.ml
For example, one instance seems to have blocked lemmy.ml for:
- poor moderation
- toxicity
- abusive admin
- red fash
- misinformation
- brigading
And lists evidence as:
In short: Lemmygrad-lite
– Poor moderation / misinformation: worldnews@lemmy.ml is a cesspool of misinformation.
– Red Fash/abusive admin: Mention anything negative about China or Russia and see how fast you get banned. Signups require quoting something from an approved list of communist dogma.
– Toxicity: (Gestures vaguely in all directions).
– Brigading: It may not be organized brigading, but every 3rd comment from users there is basically someone jumping in with “capitalism bad” and tearing down any discussion/ideas for improvement that aren’t complete and total destruction of the current economic modelThanks! That’s useful for validating instances in the future.
The other guy had answered already, but I’ll plug my instance anyway :)
I’ll check out cafe. Thanks!
You can check here for lemmy.world, or other instances by using the same syntax.
a small part of you fantasizes about being a really talented and obedient imperial conscript?
My fantasy in that situation would be surprising everyone with how well I can frag officers and start laundry room fires
You’re inferring a lot. I just said I wanted to impress people with my drone skills. Never went past that. Didn’t say I would kill anybody, destroy anything. I just want people to know how good I am at flying drones and you gotta make it political.
A very small part of me fantasizes about being forced to fight
I just said I wanted to impress people with my drone skills. Never went past that.
A “conscript” is someone who’s forced to fight. By your own admission a part of you fantasizes about being forced to fight. When questioned about your desire to be a conscript you say that the only thing you talked about was impressing people with your drone skills and that you “never went past that.”
JFC, I know reading comprehension’s in the gutter, but you’re talking about things YOU wrote. You should at least be able to follow that.
You can already do that now with drone racing.
I regret to inform you that being pressed into military service is political. Operating drones in a military context generally involves killing people and politics.
this you?
Funny story; I was banned for complaining about a misogynistic post title a mod had posted. I even complained about that here
For the record I’m trans and gay, I was complaining about people being called ‘cumrags’ (derogatory) in a post title.
for the record, you can be trans and gay and also be homophobic or say homophobic things. it should not be used as a shield.
sure, but I wasn’t being homophobic in that comment either.
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ah, then you should understand the frustration of your words and intent being twisted to fit somebody else’s agenda and then a community reprimanding you. or you don’t, that’s okay too. empathy is not for everyone.
I mean in my case they were just aggressively misreading what I said because they already didn’t like me, and specifically added the ‘homophobia’ tag so that it looks bad in the modlog.
I have plenty of empathy, it’s why I found your original statement off-putting.
Your edited part of your comment is probably why you got removed:
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it was cool and good that luigi shot that insurance executive; I’d like to see more of that and less military adventurism.
If you’re such a good drone pilot maybe start using those skills on insurance executives if you want to impress me.
Do not engage. Refer to my previous comment. There’s a reason and you see it here.
ooo freelance hall monitor
Yeah ur right. It’s like talking to a robot.
I mean you were the one complaining about POLITICS coming up in discussion of your military recruitment fantasy; can’t think of a more robotic response tbh
This question is hard to answer considering how low interactions with Lemmy.ml we try to have. The only good thing is that we can legally start mocking them with loosing a war in Ukraine once it is over.
Upvote system pushes up the main opinion, so yeah… echo chamber effect is expected
Yeah that makes sense, but that has to mean that users see an upvoted post and give it credibility without thinking for themselves whether they agree with it or not.
There’s a reason why .ml is defederated of many instances and so many other people have the whole instance blocked. They are… not the best of the fediverse.
Lemmy.ml isn’t widely defederated to my knowledge.
What are some good non-mainstream, non-tankie instances that have a variety of communities and decent user interaction?
I have an alt account on sh.itjust.works. It’s canadian based and they are pretty cool. For the variety of communities, you don’t really need to worry that much. The beauty of the fediverse is that we are all connected. As proof, I’m replying to a lemmy.world post from a piefed.social account while I browse the /all that shows me the entirety of the lemmy/piefed social.
For sure. I subscribe to some of their communities. What I should have asked was which instances are not tankie echo chambers, and amongst those are there enough communities and activity.
My suggestion stands then. sh.itjust.works is not a tankie echo chamber, they have activity and a good bunch of communities. Most lemmy is left-leaning tho, so you are going to see that political content tends to be left-leaning. But far from tankie-like.
Yeah I’m good with left-leaning, just not so far left that they’re the same as the right. Thanks!
