it sounds like you’re flirting with the Epicurean Paradox
The story was adulterated, & that is visible in the text of that part of the bible, there was no apple.
“women ate of the fruit of the knowledge of Good & Evil ( MORAL UNDERSTANDING ), & shared that with men”.
Yes, mothering enforces more moral-understanding than does male-ego-persuits, traditional or modern.
As women have noticed, & evidence absolutely does back it, women bring life into the world, & men persue killing, consistently more than women do.
( the insecurity displayed by the “god” of that story is idiotic, & the blunt fact that help has been provided to humankind, repeatedly, since then, falsifies the message in that part of their bible that “god” wants us kept down, as pets: it investes in our evolving, & there’s even a book specifically on that, though from an Abrahamic-religion perspective, called “The Evolution of God”, which … isn’t written by a believer, but comes to the conclusion that someone has been cultivating evolution, consistently, among the peoples of that “god”. )
The “grace” left-behind by ones who experience moral-anxiety is the “grace” of being mere-animals, who don’t have moral-anxieties.
This is an absolutely-factual metaphor/parable about the mere-animal ancestors of humankind vs the moral-anxiety/moral-difficulties condition of our “generation”.
Also, there’s another corroboration, but much more recent…
there’s a yt vid on how Gobekli Tepe somehow was a metropolis without agriculture: Natural Abundance was sufficient for them to do that, & they didn’t break their ecology, the way we do…
But you’ve still got the “grace”/“non-grace” difference between the people who just lived in natural-abundance & didn’t break their ecology vs our-generation…
Oh, & as far as I can tell, the Abrahamic-religion authorities are looking totally at the wrong frame-of-reference, in trying to discern where the “Garden of Eden” was: it means Earth, not some limited-locale of it.
Earth was pristine, lush, drenchingly-alive ( I’ve read that the cod were sooo thick in off the Atlantic coast of Canada, that the fishermen said you could walk from ship to ship … exageration, certainly, but … the fish were, on average, 80y old, back then, & huge. Nowadays, they’re … a few years old, 8yo was what I’d read last century, & then we broke the coral-forests they breed in, & the cod-fishery collapsed, & never recovered. We’re incompetent at preserving natural-wealth, & we do it in ALL contexts, all fisheries, all forests, … where’s all the BEST farmland on Earth? under concrete, because we converted it all to cities, since that was where the people were.
Idiocy ).
We’re destroying the Garden of Eden, globally.
No matter: The Great Filter, our species-puberty, will force-exterminate our race, if we won’t grow-up quick enough, completely enough.
Natural Selection, but at planet-scale.
& finally, free-will requires ability-to-choose-wrong.
Puppets aren’t what we are.
( it is continuums/souls which are ChildrenOfG-D/CellsOfG-D, it isn’t our-lives/incarnations: those are children-of-souls, so grandchildren-of-G-D )
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because he was a pussy
Because he doesn’t exist, so even questioning it is irrelevant
When one person believes a delusion, it’s schizophrenia. When millions do, it’s religion.
The Jewish interpretation is that Eve ‘knew’ God wanted Adam to the eat the apple, so she tempted him with it.
what a disgusting god. People actually believe this shit? God WANTED his creations to be kicked out of paradise? Holy fuck, and people say he is “all loving”. JFC.
I find the story better with “all-knowing” meaning know what is and had been and the future being unknown. A fact created by have multiple beings of free will.
That said eating the apple is very low stakes way to let someone choose to disobey you and thus learn what that means. The “punishment” seems like the plan all along.
at least how i prefer the story
At some point, one of y’all is going to have to admit that the story doesn’t actually make any sense, instead of reinterpreting it again to make yourselves feel comfy.
The “punishment” seems like the plan all along.
Then your god is a vengeful, evil monster, unworthy of worship
Im describing it purely from “as a story” concept.
The punishment is being a creature with free will on earth and the ability to comptemplatr shame for moral decisions (because we can fail).
At least at this point of the story
No, the punishment was increased pain, hardship, expulsion from the garden of Eden, and mortality.
Have you even read the book? From an “as a story” concept, whatever that means?
I think it means a story instead of as a historically accurate document of fact.
Because as a story theres lots of lessons we can draw from it, and interpret in many ways like literature enthusiasts do.
As a historical document holy fuck help me satan
Because he gifted humanity free-will? I thought that was like the main reason
He’s also omniscient and created every atom of their being, meaning he knew exactly how it would play out. It was a setup.
Would it really be free will if there was fate or destiny? Would he be a Laplace demon and by thinking about mankind eating the apple he was creating a simulation where mankind actually does eat an apple?
The usual explanation is because God wanted humans to have free will, so interfering in their ability to self-determine would negate that.
The reality is because it makes no fucking sense, like much of the Bible.
Fanfiction/Please permit me to make wild allegations, I was also looking at this yesterday and wondered: is it the apple of knowledge of sexual reproduction? (I know the book says good and evil, I get it)
The other tree was the fruit of eternal life. They did not consume this fruit.
So, as for the story, humans could neither sexually reproduce nor live forever/a long time prior to eating the fruit of the knowledge of sexual reproduction. Life and death. Good and evil.
They ate it, wanted to have sex with each other and were ashamed and covered themselves to avoid sexual arousal.
The free will they received was the ability to sexually reproduce.
In the story, angels cannot sexually reproduce with each other?, but seemingly live forever/a long time, and angels supposedly did get very excited that they could now sexually reproduce with humans: nephelim. Hybrids. There are no female angels.
Two different technology trees: humans with sexual reproduction and limited lifespan and angels with longevity/eternal life/angel powers/no females.
This gave the world a third (unintended?) hybrid nephelim class and this upset the balance of power on earth/the creation.
The chaos that ensued inspired yahweh to flood his creation and try again?
Wild shit! For me these are the chaotic and confused retelling of a story of extraterrestrial influence on the development of the human species.
This particular chapter is focused on origins and bloodlines of humanity so it makes sense to me in that way 🙃
Thank you for your time.
It’s a judeo-christian-muslim god.
same reason you can have anal sex and still be a virgin!
Christianity is only one of the many interpretations of reality. Not reality itself. Other doctrines like gnosticism, hinduism, etc… Will give you another view.
Bad character and plot writing. The Bible was written by hacks and scabs.
It’s allegory and shouldn’t be taken literally. At all. One possible interpretation is that eating the apple symbolises the birth of empathy or understanding of other consciousness, thereby giving humans both the ability to be kind and to be cruel.
Yeah, all sects that believe in biblical literism need to be abandoned. If christianity were ever to be a useful religion it needs to leave room for intreptaion and creativity.
It is extremely useful. Just not for anyone outside the inner party.
For anyone else, it’s not only useless, it’s a threat.
And while we’re at it, wouldn’t the Reality Stone trump all the others because reality is all there is and contains everything the other stones represent?
Only in reality? Doesn’t your theory fall apart with the fact that Marvel is not reality?
Oh, are you starting to get the picture?
As far as I know, reality doesnt actually contain the reality of the marvel universe. Only an imagined one.
Yes, correct, the logic of reality does not apply to works of fiction, which may have their own rules that may or may not be logical or internally consistent.
So the reality stone is limited to only the reality where it exists. The other stones could exist in a reality that doesnt require the reality stone.
They’re trying to point out how the bible stories are fiction too and that is the real answer
You’d think so, but get this: all the stones only work in the reality they’re from, and are worthless trinkets in any other reality. It’s ridiculous! They’re not called the “infinity (of only this reality) stones” ffs!
Correct:
Wait, so all they had to do was bring thanos to a different dimension? Shouldn’t the mirror realm have been enough to defeat him?
It is by far the most powerful one in the comics, though most beings are not able to use it because it’s use is too abstract.
Notably The Magus was given a fake one for his Infinity Gauntlet and didn’t even notice.
