Can’t fault their logic tbf
Yeah, gotta keep the government from listening in on the Thanksgiving plans. 🙄
It isn’t the government. It is your employer using third party info to get out of paying you unemployment because you were fired for “cause” they invented and backed up with statements you made in a private chat.
When has that happened. And if it has was it a phone with company management software on it.
Exactly. I just know they’re going to use my love of turkey against me somehow.
How else will I hide that I fucked the turkey and that’s what the special gravy is gam gam?
Gram gram survived the depression.
Someone who is 92 in 2026 was born about 1934. The Great Depression persisted (in the U.S. at least) until about 1940. So she definitely survived some early childhood years during the Depression.
But goddamn are we getting close to the point where the surviving elders are way way more likely to not have been around during the Depression than to have been.
Imagine planning Thanksgiving without proper opsec 🙄🤦♂️
He’s responding to his mom on iMessage! Can you believe that shit? 😡
The Wampanoag tried, and see what happened to them.
bro don’t use discord, use Plerg! it’s compatible with both Pleeb AND Schmoob!
also remember how we all left reddit because of the bots, when Lemmy doesn’t have bots either…
iMessage is reasonable but discord is as evil and stupid as Skype used to be. Mumble, Matrix, Signal, Simplex, flux even halfbaked stoat. Get off Discord
wow you really didn’t get satire there
People didn’t leave reddit because of the bots, lemmy was created in opposition to reddit’s openly nazi ownership and leadership; as well as a way to ensure no single reddit-style platform can be dominated by a few superusers that impose far-right moderation policies and tactics in order to limit discussion and artificially reduce left-wing political discussion.
The fact Epstein’s owner, Ghislaine Maxwell was a power-mod for multiple default subs tells you exactly who owns and runs reddit and that mods there aren’t exactly neutral unpaid members of the community.
The largest Reddit migration to Lemmy was due to the API changes. Don’t attach the creators’s philosophy to other people.
Yeah, I’m here because reddit didn’t value my use and made my favorite client no longer work. That’s it. However, if it weren’t that, it would have been one of the myriad of problems reddit had since then. Obviously, I do appreciate the federated aspect of Lemmy, but it wasn’t a consideration when I moved here.
Agreed, but OP’s comparison probably wasn’t representative of most people’s gripes with Reddit (blocking of API access for moderation and interactivity bots).
Lemmy has an open API, doesn’t universally block bot accounts or third-party tools, and has a bunch of different independent mobile clients – so the implication that it’s no better than Reddit on that front is bizarre.
Poob has it for you!
Ploob.
That’s the ad-free version
we all left reddit because of the bots
I left Reddit because of the API pricing changes didn’t even notice bots
Isn’t that funny? They promised us all of these things are to prevent spam and misuse but the misuse never seems to be impacted in the slightest. There is occasional spam problems on the Fediverse but overall you’re less likely to have bot problems. I’m certainly interested in knowing what kind of tools will need to make sure this stays the case but we have structural incentives that line with our own interests and not those of Wall Street so we have a good chance
Did you “not-see” what the CEO of Plerg did?
Whenever people start talking about “opsec” and it’s not people doing sensitive work I’m just like “what ops?”
The stuffing recipe is fire
The op of trying to not get your entire family’s conversations sold to the lowest bidder to be exploited for scams, insurance price gouging, “dynamic pricing”, etc… I guess.
Browsing lemmy is my op
I use encryption whenever I can not so They can’t see my ops, but so that the encrypted comms of people who actually do need opsec are less suspicious.
Indeed, it makes everyone safer. Especially with all the fascism going around people who are completely innocent of any more genuine wrongdoing could still be kidnapped by Ice based on the color of their skin or because they exercise their free speech rights in ways that in decades past would have been respected. The government has gotten less trustworthy and corporations never really were trustworthy so everyday people have the right to protect themselves
what ops?
sounds like a question a fed would ask 👀
Gotta keep that green bean casserole recipe safe! The world can’t know the secret of a can of cream of mushroom!
Of which no one would know about had they been practicing proper opsec. Point signal.
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Indirectly it matters because it means you’re regurgitating talking points instead of thinking about the tradeoffs between privacy and keeping your family talking to each other.
It is important for regular people to protect their privacy so that those at risk are among good company. Otherwise, anyone trying to maintain privacy is obvious and suspicious.
Operation: Thanksgiving with Gam Gam
The guy kinda sounds like a douche…
(It’s a joke m8)
just using the word opsec with your mom when you aren’t a family of International spies is super cringe, imo
…
I mean, it has to be satire, they even said “iMessage” instead of text, meaning the guy super obsessed with privacy still uses an iPhone…
And still clearly uses it. Because that’s what the screenshot is from.
Are people taking that as an authentic conversation?
I overestimate people a lot, but I’m genuinely confused if I’m overestimating they hypothetical screenshot and people are dumb enough to be like that, or if I’m overestimating people who see it and can’t tell it’s an obvious joke…
It’s the eternal quesion
Are people taking that as an authentic conversation?
no, but opsec people will genuinely act like this sometimes
I was curious enough to look at twitter…
That’s 100% a shit post account, absolutely nothing they post should be considered authentic:
I did chuckle at the one about “only negotiating with Dr Pepper himself” one tho.
But yeah, anybody that thought they were serious bit the onion
It’s a very thin line these days. It’s like trying to distinguish theonion vs nottheonion articles.
This one was satire, I googled the account name and nothing they post is serious
I’m not doubting there are people who care about privacy but don’t know anything about it. But the account who made the twitter post, was making fun of those people.
They just didn’t put “/s”
And when a screenshot strips all context, it’s really hard to tell. Which is why I actually went to twitter, it’s the only way to be sure.
People need to stop taking things presented in a vacuum with zero context, as whatever they first assume it to be.
Yeah apparently you are (overestimating).
A guy named MK Ultra Victim posting obvious satire isn’t clear enough for a lot of Lemmy users, who’d rather pontificate against the parody.
No, Gam Gam must adapt.
Dudes probably an SF technofascist.
She can have somebody help install a new app on her phone if she needs help. Sorry but statistically you probably voted to create the society that made this necessary, even if they were a Democrat they still probably voted in the primaries for corporate politicians who also push surveillance. It’s basic cause and effect
I can’t tell if you’re missing the joke or if I’m missing it right now. I’m Australian btw, so statistically, I voted in an Australian election.
No, no, everyone on the internet is from the USA AMERICA FUCK YEAH AMIRIGHT BROTHER!! 🦅🦅🦅 red vs blue, dems vs republicans AMIRIGHT!!!
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Right. Look, I want people moving to more independent services too, but I know that sometimes you have to meet people where they are. I keep Meta accounts because sometimes I need to see family pictures or engage with some random FB group.
You can work on getting people to try things and adapt without just going “Fuck you, you do it my way or not at all.”
No…
No.
I’m tired of being consistently correct and it taking other people a decade to figure that out.
Fuck you, you do it my way or not at all.
I’m an introvert, I’ll be fine without you.
Oh… look how fine you are.
Yeah that’s right, I am that bitch.
Also conceding ground just gives the powers of evil what they want. If more than one person in the group chat got insistent then that would be a lot more leverage. If the majority decide it was time to move the move has already happened and the ones who haven’t moved are the ones who are being obnoxious and sticking to a different app
Everything is horrible and awful, but trying to hold my own friends and family accountable for their own actions?
Well that’s just rude, unreasonable!
… It’s genuinely comical how hypocritical, how turbolib coded it is, to offer any defense whatsoever for a person to continue engaging in a harmful practice when the alternative already exists and works and takes maybe 90 seconds to switch over to, at literally no monetary cost.
Everyone is wrong and dumb, except the people in my immediate proximity, they’re just misunderstood!
Fucking spare me.
“I only support a genocidal wannabe oligarch who actively uses his pet propaganda network to directly influence elections and policy across the globe in an effort to bring back feudalism because not doing so would be mildly inconvenient” isn’t exactly the hot take you think it is tbh.
If you kept using Facebook services after Cambridge Analytica then you are part of the problem, period.
Okay.
I mean, if they were somehow forcing them all to move the group chat, sure. That might be a valid argument then.
But as it is, it seems they simply left the group chat, and said “if you want me in it, move it to signal.”
That’s not forcing anyone to do anything. That’s setting a boundary. The people trying to pressure OOP into using software they don’t trust are the only ones trying to force anything.
Isn’t MK in this scenario doing the same thing? Trying to put pressure on their family to use a piece of software they don’t know and aren’t comfortable using?
I mean yeah, MK’s take is more informed, but sides are likely to see it as the other side trying to get them to cave.
Anyway. Rereading, “Signal is better opsec” when your 92yo grandmother wants to plan Thanksgiving is cracking me up.
I think they’re more saying they won’t participate in an imessage group chat. Which would ordinarily be fine. It’s only strange in this case because they’re still using imessage.
Anyway. Rereading, “Signal is better opsec” when your 92yo grandmother wants to plan Thanksgiving is cracking me up.
If palantir knows who’s bringing the stuffing, what else do they know about you and your family?
Tough, Lemmy, or kiss my ass.
No Reddit ever.
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My whole family is on signal. How did I get them there? I didn’t. Didn’t even talk about it. They just popped up, one by one, over the years. Unfortunately we don’t celebrate thanksgiving :(
You are so lucky.
Never too late for a new tradition!
Unless they are going to talk about nuclear cooked turkeys, he could just set up a burner VM and communicate through that and a vpn. That’s what I do when going to sketchy sites.
This is an obvious joke yall
Not as obvious as you might think, it would seem.
Yeah fair
Everyone says that until mythos 0days gam gam’s pacemaker
/s in case that wasn’t obvious
hopefully /s
This is not as far fetched as all that
Yeah but it hits dangerously close.
My poor family has to reach me on Briar.
Just leave Gam Gam behind. She neither understands nor cares what happens in a group chat. Gam Gam is just happy to eat turkey.
She’s the smartest of them all
At this point it’s completely reasonable to say that if somebody can’t get with the program then they’re going to need to communicate through an intermediary who does understand basic computer security. Social pressure is the only way that we’re going to get normal people to get on with the program so we need to make them feel like they’re the ones being annoying for refusing good security
She’s gonna die soon anyway. Why are we wasting money feeding it? (I have a lot of trauma around my grandparents, can you tell?)
You will not have many friends with that opinion, but I understand, what you mean. I wonder how I will react at that age; if I want to be dead or if I want to enjoy every bit of family fun I can have.
If you ignore the ethical part, if you die, a biochemical process stops, the organic matter starts to decompose. Your “soul” will be gone and lost forever. So why feeding it with more experiences? A difficult, yet very interesting topic from a philosophical point of view.
When I was born both my grandfathers were either dead or a stroke made them nearly incommunicable. So I only had my grandmothers.
One infantalized me my entire upbringing. If I ever had to stay with her she would treat me like a small child even though I was between 8-13 years old. Forcing me to bed early, giving me little amounts of food, etc. Basically treating me like a house cat instead of her grandchild. My other grandmother tried to literally kidnap me from my parents, accusing my mother (who is a god damn angel to me and one of the best human beings I know) of being unable to raise me properly and that the ‘church’ would raise me better than she could.
I’m nearly 40. Only one grandmother still clings to life. I’ve hardly spoken to her in nearly 20 years.
Would be better if Signal hadn’t removed fucking SMS from their app
Completely irrelevant since this is obviously Apple users who never had this feature in the first place.
luckily I got my mom on signal for about 3 years now
I get where your mom is coming from, but if the 92 year old gamgams all over the rest of the world can use WhatsApp, your gamgam can use Signal with the right direction and patience. People don’t give enough credit to the elderly. They’re very capable, but just might need a little extra help to get there.
Logically someone had to set them up on WhatsApp. People of that age are the ones who struggle to understand that you have to connect your computer to the internet to use the browser, that you have to click double click the big blue E, that you have to turn the computer on before you can use it. Grandma just needs some tech support help
Adapt or die
At 92 it’s more of an “and”.
Fair. Humans have a really shitty, hard to repair design. How the fuck do you replace old pumps (hearts) when the immune system keeps attacking them? Not to mention the aging CPU.
Sadly the right to repair movement has been slow to work for humans. You really need to stick with the proprietary OEM parts, but MomCo refuses to provide them as “impossible”. There is some hope in bio 3D printed replacements reusing the cellular DRM recovered from a specific unit though.
A jailbreak to resolve the DRM and closed-ecosystem issues is always supposedly 10 or so years away, but like economically feasible fusion I am not sure I’d count on it any time soon.
