What does Z.E.R.O stand for?
I think they were using the technique of adding periods for emphasis:
AS. IN. THE. CASE. OF. NORMAL. SENTENCES.
They must have missed that that’s not the way you’d emphasize a word by spelling it, and should instead have typed Z-E-R-O.
Most of those people are currently government officials in different countries around the world and they see Americans aren’t bothered by their high ranking criminals so they don’t bother with their own.
Advocating for them (the government, whatever team they happen to be on) acting on the Epstein files is like asking a toddler nicely to punish themselves. It is not in their best interest to do so, because it hurts their main benefactor, the owning class. The only way to have a shot at this happening is if the government is no longer owned by the owning class. To get there, you’d need to get rid of a number of things:
- the threat of capital flight (“if you do something I don’t like, I will take my gizmo factory elsewhere”)
- the ability of the owning class to shape the opinions of the electorate through owning the media (social and legacy) they consume
- the ability of the owning class to legally bribe politicians (“if you do this thing I like, you will get a cushy job at my gizmo factory, or I’ll pay you 500k to talk at my event for an hour”, also super PACs)
Until you get rid of all this, no one (on any side of the aisle) will ever do anything about the epstein files, no matter how many parades/protests you do. Your collective votes do not weigh up against the three points I mentioned. See also the Panama papers.
Oh and voting doesn’t work to fix the three points, because the three points ensure that most candidates (on either side of the aisle) do not benefit from doing anything about them, and the ones that do don’t have much of a shot at winning (see point 2).
If everyone is on the same evil side, overthrow the government already. Why wait?
Democraps definitely havent been trying to pass positive legislation for decades and succeeded some of the time. Theyre the exact same!
Now let me go snort some glass and coke!
Oh shit yeah you’re right, I forgot about the democrats! I love how they advocate for universal health care in their campaigns, as well as workers rights, and anti war stuff. Remember when Harris said she actually didn’t like fracking? Man those guys really care about the environment. I really loved how they didn’t send billions in military aid to a nation committing a genocide. Oh and remember when they reinstated roe v wade? Man that was heroic. Thank God these guys never bailed out any banks. Very glad they’re on our side, and clearly not beholden entirely to corporate interests.
This totally justifies Trump 😄
I don’t understand why you would say this. Could you explain?
When you have an unfortunately biased 2 party system, you can choose the formless weird airline food or the pile of glass and barbed wire. You are suggesting that we do nothing at all, or just not vote, which helps glass barbedwire burger-man.
We can progress out of shit soup, but we are headed toward fascism. We just need to get rid of Dumpling first. Dumpling, then AIPAC and replace congress, and eventually the presidency. Throwing a fit and being cool with a worse (now potentially unstoppable) option doesnt make you morally superior or anything of the sort. Leopards, meet face.
Man why am I even arguing with a bad faith arguing bot, tf is wrong with me.
Not exactly - congressional investigations are going on, but processes IRL don’t produce results in 22 minutes like on TV. It doesn’t work like, “We see you’re in the files, welcome to jail.”
I would expect someone to report it. Is there any piece of media reporting politics without trying to be political?
That can’t exist.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - all I did was google “Epstein investigations” - things not showing up on whatever feeds you scroll through doesn’t necessarily mean nobody’s reporting them.
Dude it’s been like a decade since this stuff hit the front page of the news, come the fuck on with the shitty apologism
Epstein himself was indicted more like 20 years ago. The 22 minute TV show reference was overly sarcastic, but I’m not an apologist for anyone. The justice system is just excruciatingly slow. My belief is that Bonespurs will probably dodge all consequences by having his final Big Mac Attack. With him gone, his coattail riders will probably start backstabbing each other and maybe then we’ll see some action.
I prefer a slow justice system that gets the criminals for their crimes than a quick one that drags innocent people into an undeserved situation.
Me too. I think the people screaming for immediate mob justice and willing to handwave its sloppy inaccuracy is more about anger than ethics.
if some random guy from the streets did the things on the files to someone, how slow would the justice system be then?
Depends - was it a random guy you caught doing those things or a random guy whose name you found in an email? Somehow people seem to think this should be as slam dunk as catching a bunch of anime bad guys with EVIL stamped on their foreheads.
Right? If it were a poor person they’d have zero qualms about putting them in jail while sorting it all out too. There is nothing that can disguise that our ‘justice’ system exists almost entirely to suppress the poor and enable the rich.
also note how the italian plumber is still in jail even though investigations are still ongoing
This isn’t a “justice is slow” problem. This is a “the justice system only serves to punish the poor and powerless” problem.
The fact of these files is they were in the hands of the FBI and prosecutors 20 years ago. Nothing happened as a result even though there appears to be dozens of individuals capable of being charged with crimes. That’s 20 years of incriminating evidence just sitting around collecting dust because it’d be politically inconvenient to pursue charges.
Justice moves rapidly when a power tripping cop wants to ruin you life. It moves very slowly when a rich pedophile rapes children.
The DOJ does suck, and Epstein (and Maxwell) were horrific rapists and sex trafficers. However, the files don’t prove a widespread conspiracy, they instead prove what we already knew, that people in power are shitty people, who look the other way, and readily associate with deeply immoral criminals, just to gain influence and network. All this shit about a widespread cannibal cabal makes you look disturbed and conspiratorial, instead of facing the much less crazy, but arguably just as sad facts.
We found the shill!
I’m no shill, just a skeptic. I get the righteous anger, I hate everything about the people involved too, we just disagree on what, in the grand scheme of things, are insignificant details.
The released files literally include correspondence where Epstein is directing the conspiracy theories that Qanon/Rogan/4chan ended up pushing. And the rest of the files confirm that the conspiracies pushed were just admitting what he and his friends were doing but blame other people.
I don’t think that’s correct, maybe I’m wrong but the files released so far at least don’t include that. Regardless, I’m not disputing that he and his friends did horrific things, might as well have blamed them on others. I am just saying that extrapolating that to a large scale conspiracy with the active participation of the number of people suggested is super unlikely. This is in no way meant to defend anyone involved with Epstein, they are despicable ghouls who should suffer the consequences of their actions.
So I’m assuming you’re a libertarian…
Read more of the files, the correspondence is there I assure you, but everybody needs to read it for themselves.
No I think I’ve spent the last 10-20 years listening to right wing pundits push crazier and crazier conspiracy theories.
I don’t give a fuck what the right thinks. They can release the Epstein Files and prove all of this wrong in an instant, they haven’t — so they’re cannibals.
Why would the right’s crazy conspiracy theories influence reality? I get the projection narrative, but just mirroring what a crazy person says does not necessarily make it not crazy.
You cannot reason someone into a position they did not reason themselves into. What they think and how they feel does not matter, because they aren’t the ones in control of it.
I am not mirroring a crazy person, I am shining a light on their crazy. If they’d like to set the record straight they’re more than welcome to, but the ball is in their court.
Because of the cannibalism, of course.
Edit: oh, and I know exactly how it influences reality — did you see what happened recently to vaccine mandates in the U.S.? We reduced the number of childhood vaccines from 17 to 11. The specific vaccines are: respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), hepatitis A, hepatitis B, dengue, meningococcal ACWY and meningococcal B. They’ve cited that only children in high risk categories should get these vaccines.
If that isn’t evidence of crazy conspiracy theories affecting reality I don’t know what is.
Thanks for the correction, you’re right, crazy conspiracy theories do affect reality in that way. I meant affecting reality in a way where, no matter how many people say vaccines cause autism, it won’t make it reality. So by that example, no matter how much the right was ‘projecting’ about cannibalism and other stuff, that by itself is not proof, or proof of the contrary.
I meant affecting reality in a way where, no matter how many people say vaccines cause autism, it won’t make it reality.
I understand where you’re coming from, and you’re absolutely correct. This is information warfare though, and one side accepts facts and science while the other accepts vibes. Cannabalism is a bad vibe, and if the right wing media ecosystem tries to sanewash it (like the whole ‘Trump isn’t a pedo, he’s a hebephile’ sham) — they don’t come back from that.
We have to use their cognitive disability against them.
However, the files don’t prove a widespread conspiracy, they instead prove what we already knew, that people in power are shitty people, who look the other way, and readily associate with deeply immoral criminals, just to gain influence and network.
Right, it just proves there’s a widespread group of people who came together and came to an agreement about the crimes they were committing and how they would get away with it. Hmmmmmmm, I wonder what a word for that would be…
conspiracy /kən-spîr′ə-sē/
nounAn agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
Huh, would you look at that, it WAS a conspiracy!
I just don’t believe there was a large, organized group of people doing cannibalism and such. It is extremely unlikely that such a conspiracy would exist for a sustained period of time.
I don’t care how large the group committing the acts are if there is, in fact, a large conspiracy of people actively protecting them. One person actively committing the crime is one too many, and anyone protecting them is complicit. If this were a bank robbery where someone was killed, the getaway driver still gets the murder conviction, even if he never went in the building.
To bastardize an old saying, if there are 10 people at a table and they choose to let the cannibalistic pedophile sit down and don’t immediately eject them with a brick, you have a group of 11 people conspiring to protect a cannibalistic pedophile.
defending billionaires is also cuck flex
I don’t think I’ve defended billionaires, their existence is inherently immoral, regardless of whether they are cannibals or not. Also, I don’t appreciate the ad hominem remark. I was just engaging in the discourse, as I am interested in how misinformation and conspiratorial ideas develop and propagate.
Hundreds of men raping thousands of children is not a conspiracy by your definition??
Cannibalism? Hadn’t heard that part before.
There were a few emails from people asking epstein for some of his jerky. Annoyed replies saying that the supply of jerky given them should have lasted longer. Then an email from Maxwell saying something to the effect of “there will be no more jerky for a while, Mr. Epstein has decided to return to normal food.”
I do not know in what other context that could have possibly been other than cannibalism.
Unless the weirdo decided to try a Slim Jim diet lol
And more! There’s a Rothschild couple emailing about hunting humans something to the tune of “…bagged one and guess what?! They’re n*ggers!”
Weird for them to censor that word given what they were saying.
I didn’t want to get caught in auto filters. Lemmy isn’t typically like that but I feel no need to play with the hard R right now.
“Adrenochrome” nonsense intensifies
I mean, it could be coded to refer to anything illegal as far as that goes.
I have my doubts because or the normal food bit of that email.
Peter thiel drinking babys blood because “longevity” dude is evil incarnate
Unlike that more civilized rich idiot who transfuses his son’s blood in a desperate but futile effort to stay young forever.
Rich people are a different kind of crazy.
at least there was some sort of consent
My son talks about it all the time. Apparently they had codes and some of them were for eating babies.
I’m sure all of it conjecture or the Internet going wild.
I’ve seen fucked up shit come out from them but absolutely nothing that is going to bring anyone down in court.
I don’t understand why you people are still talking about courts.
There are 8 billion of us, minimum.
Viewing justice as the punishment of the guilty is conservatism 101.
The real failure is that no legislation, law-enforcement, or court action has been taken to address why billionaires can snatch little girls off the street. The real failure is that rape is barely even illegal in the US, and it’s viewed as right and proper when powerful men have access to little girls the same way their wealth provides them with access to all rare and desirable objects.
This isn’t because our leaders are sick, it’s because our society is. These men didn’t steal our daughters, we sold them out, cheap. No amount of Presidents in prison will change that.
I was raped as a child myself (Catholic gang not Epstein gang) you can go ahead and leave me right out of that “we”.
well let’s try putting a president in prison to test your theory in the meantime.
All right, how do you suggest we proceed?
destroy fecesbook, goolag and microslop, as a start. they are all contributing to sickening the society
How do you suggest we do that, as a start? Just “Destroy everything” isn’t a start, it’s a finish.
there must be an alternative first; we need the fediverse to be good and reliable before facebook can go down. otherwise people are not gonna leave facebook
Heavily regulate Meta, Amazon, Microslop, and others as corporations, introducing consumer friendly regulations that curb the power these companies have over daily life, impose massive taxes on people who have over, let’s just say 650 million USD in assets (not just liquid money) and give the laws actual teeth. Fines based on percent gross income for the corporation and hold both the CEO AND board of directors accountable for the actions of the corporation as a whole, then remove the ability for non-human persons to make political contributions. Just for a start
More of a middle than a start. How do we actually do those things? Do I have to sign paperwork? Do I have to come into the dealership?
People, especially online, are super good at the middle and end parts that they like to call “a start”. Terrible at actual starts, though.
Who’s gonna regulate them? Clearly “the people” aren’t up to the task, considering how free we let the Epstein pedoclass run rampant. Most of our paychecks rely on them. How do we regulate these corporations? And how many steps away from that is getting billionaires to stop fucking our children?
these companies are always operating as if they were above any regulations. lets enforce the regulations.
also break up these companies, each has lots of services that should be its own unrelated company, mostly because the big one has bought up small ones
Can someone please enlighten me on the fucking cannibalism?
What could the details possibly change?
Well, the cannibalism not happening, for one.
Personally I think its possible. They are very … creepy people.
Yeah I know what you mean. Child murdering pedophile slavers are one thing, but cannibalism is where I draw the line.
So remember how maga thinks that Hillary was farming kids for something apparently called adrenochrome in their blood ?
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/pseudoscience/qanons-adrenochrome-quackery
Well…it’s always projection, every time.
Let’s just say, not everyone who went to that island made it out… alive
I have not read any of the files yet, but I have been told they include unsubstantiated and un-investigated reports, some of which may be “trolling” and not even attempt to contain any truth.
That said, cannibalism is, IMO, a lesser moral failing than what the victim reported (and continue to support).
I read a bit of the stuff from the tip line. Some of it is very raw, and that’s putting it nicely. Like, I had a neighbor who was troubled by delusions. Some sounded spot on like that, a story that wasn’t just absolutely wild, but didn’t fit with some known facts.
Most likely codename for drugs, “jerky” for something or other. It just takes away attention from the real crime of raping underage people. Yeah, maybe some got raped to death, but that don’t mean anyone ate them.
Where is cannibalism mentioned?
There’s a restaurant called “Cannibal” mentioned, with “beef jerky” being one of their spotlighted food. There’s also more references to jerky. https://youtu.be/ghUNyJzLkfE
Sounds like a regular beef jerky fan club. I see nothing wrong here.
I think it’s weird for beef jerky to be “the only thing I eat”, but I know people that do the “carnivore diet” and that’s supposed to be meat-only.
Maybe it is code for some illicit item that you might measure in pounds and consume, but I don’t think that’s obvious or certain.
Its definitely code. Either drugs or children.
So… you have any (additional) evidence to contribute? With the evidence I’ve seen I don’t think “Its definitely code” is “obvious or certain”.
Nope.
the USA is the most corrupt country on earth I am curious as to why anyone is surprised. Donald Trump is literally in charge of enforcing the laws there.
Anyone remember the Panama papers?
That journalist in Malta does.
Or she would have, had she not been murdered with a car bomb.
It’s crazy how much corruption is on full display. I guess that’s one of the only positive things about the internet lately. We can see the whole world is going through it. All the time.
The internet has also made a suziable part of the population billionaire defenders.
We just need to hope that when the time comes, ALL the pawns turn around.
Putin was all over those. But we went straight into a Russian Reset under Obama, regardless.
Almost as though corruption is a feature, not a bug
Say, all the epstein files are made up. That that’s just as fucked up as them being real.
of course, I am waiting for the story arc that claims the Epstein case was a reddit conspiracy.
“Democracy won’t save you” was cut off.
This country is so fucked
Is it just “this country”?
Not just 'Murica, but unfortunately the civilised world gets dragged into their stupidity and bullshit
Epstein was literally mossa…
Okay still counts.
Yep
Shit’s fucked
yep
I mean outside of America people have lost their jobs and their titles and potentially jail time due to appearing in the files. You can argue it’s not enough but I will stress outside of America there has been some semblance of accountability.
In America absolutely nothing has happened. Nothing. Speaks volumes of the nation.
The emperor is without his clothes. We all see it.
In America absolutely nothing has happened
Not true. Maxwell was transferred to a plush jail until the rapist-in-chief can fully pardon her.
