Have they ever heard of books? Whole volume with up to several thousand pages written by people.
Tbf, I’m old enough to have known the world before the world wide web, let alone ChatGPT, and I really don’t understand how the hell anyone could write an internally consistent 1000+ page book/series.
Writers are witches.
Back before the internet became so addictive, I could write and write and write for long periods. Nowadays I have a really short attention span.
I do try to write hand-written letters every year, but work and chores and everything keeps getting in the way.
I’ve written two books, both well over 100,000 words. While writing the books, I had to read, and re-read them several times, of course. I also spent quite a bit of time researching things, reading parts of other people’s books.
The first one I wrote before ChatGPT existed. I finished the second one last year, but I have no idea how to use ChatGPT to write a book, so I didn’t try. Besides, writing is fun, why let a stupid machine do it?
why let a stupid machine do it?
From what I’ve seen, it’s to make a knock off of established work and hope people buy it on Amazon thinking they are getting something from an actually good series.
not that it can’t be done,just you specifically couldn’t do it 😂 (j/k)
What they mean is “I couldn’t write a 10-page paper without ChatGPT.” And because they have very limited imaginations, they can’t imagine other people being able to do something they can’t.
What they mean is “I couldn’t write a 10-page paper without ChatGPT.”
We used to have a tradition in this country. A tradition of looking up some other shit people wrote and dumping it into our own lazy, English 101 term papers with the hopes that the graders wouldn’t notice.
Are we really so fucking lazy, as a society, that we can’t even do plagarism properly anymore?
Unironically, if you aren’t capable of restructuring and consolidating other people’s ideas into your own format, how many modern office jobs are you even qualified for?
That’s okay. Chatgpt is taking those jobs too.
I suggest we all get into plumbing. The potential for water damage makes robots less appealing there for the near future.
Unironically, this. 👆
Too many people can’t see beyond their own little bubble, and have a difficult time if someone challenges their myopic world view. e.g. I see this all too often in software development where developers will make their software “opinionated” (read: it does what they want it to do, and not what’s necessarily good for their users).
I digress. 😅
I agree on software to a point. You need some opinions. “everyone will use a mouse and keyboard, fuck controller users” is bad. But you need some direction to get things done “what system will this run on? Everything! So I’m expected to make a rts game similar to statcraft 2 able to be played on the switch? Yes! And controllable with dpad, joystick, mouse, keyboard, touchpad and a paraplegic wheelchair? Yes! Ok, I’ll need 20 years to write this, and I’ll quit in 4”
Im exaggerating but there does need to limits. “this will be playable on Playstation 5” or “this will require a 2080 or better, we are not supporting a voodoo2 vfx card…”
I like opinionated software with very few exceptions like Apple killing save as
In other words: you like opinionated software so long as they share your opinion. That’s an important distinction.
It’s hard to imagine not being opinionated, it’s all just whether the opinion agrees with yours or not.
Drop down or radio button? It’s an opinion about which is better. Braces and semicolons or spaces and newlines? It’s an opinion about how to best format machine parsed stuff. Science fiction or fantasy being a better setting for your game, another opinion.
To the extent something might pusue being “unopinionated”, I frequently find it tends to erode value. Refusing to pick a lane or even a default means the user has to do so much that the user might as well have done it themselves from scratch. Even in the attempt, they end up with opinionated implementation and documentation, as it’s just unavoidable.
I mean, ruff is an opnionated code formatter. I don’t always agree with it but I’m very happy I can shut down other people whining with “that’s just how ruff does it”.
Same with black
Correct and in open source there is a lot of choices that do the same thing so I have a plethora of options.
That’s actually an option you can revert.
How?
I combine two tricks:
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Go to System Preferences > General and enable Ask to keep changes when closing documents
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Option + Shift + Command + S or hold Option in the File menu and Duplicate will switch to Save As
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And because they have very limited imaginations, they can’t imagine other people being able to do something they can’t.
Right wing “thought” in a nutshell right here too
It’s strawman rage bait. You can say the same thing about sailing vs combustion engine shipping, programming via C on notepad vs modern development environments and languages, etc.
The missing context is the time required when you know what you’re doing. And yeah sometimes walking is still faster than driving a car. But let’s not pretend we’re not seeing a major shift like industrialization or the internet. Both of which have fucked up society and the world in countless ways as much as it has benefited us.
I can write a solid 10 page well-researched paper out of a library in two weeks. With the internet, I can write that same paper with even better research in one week. With AI tools, I can write that same paper with better readability, conciseness, and overall editing in a couple days.
What’s the cost? Probably not pretty, but the deadline is a lot shorter than it used to be now. And that’s the reality most people will find themselves in now.
I’m about halfway through my degree and haven’t used AI for any of it 🤷♂️ Including at least two 10 page papers and I don’t even know how many 3-5 page ones, lol. I have no intention of changing that either, why would I want to dilute my writing voice or my line of reasoning throughout the paper? Writing is thinking, there are so many things you think you understand well until you sit down and try to explain it. That’s the point, that’s the process of learning.
If it was up to me I would accept a student doing a presentation instead of a final paper if they really struggled with writing, because I’ve seen professors do that and I think it teaches just as much (also it’s fun to watch people give presentations they’re enthusiastic about). But it has to be equivalent to the amount of writing you’d be doing, like 20 minutes to present 3-4 pages. But either way, AI isn’t going to teach you anything for either of those compared to doing the work yourself.
I’m in a field that decidedly does not value the written word beyond the minimum they need to understand and write emails, but I had to take a couple of writing classes in college.
I had to write several 10+ page papers, including research papers (like actual research, not “do your own research” research) before LLMs existed and I’m so fucking thankful for it. Nearly every single day I have to read the shit my colleagues write, and it’s like they’ve never read a book in their entire lives. It’s honestly tragic.
And this is a field full of ostensibly intelligent people.
I suspect in five years or so final exams will be a 1 on 1, face to face meeting with the teacher where they ask you some softball questions you should be able to answer easily if you did even some of the homework.
I love this take. One suggestion I would make is also rake your knowledge and try to help someone earlier in their journey. Writing is great but you get no feedback immediately(you may get some later).
When you explain something which you only have a surface knowledge of and the other person asks why… That’s teaches both of you alot.
Oh man, I asked Claude to summarize my commits and changes today, using the voice and structure of my usual daily updates.
It was fucking awful.
Claude spent 5 minutes on this then I had to review and edit anyway. I ended up spending 10 minutes writing down the what+why in a bullet list from scratch and it’s 100x clearer and better.
The AI neither did a better job nor saved me time.
I think you’re doing the right thing.
Replace this with “without the Internet“, and I remember having this exact same conversation 25 years ago.
The internet is completely different, it’s not an LLM.
I didn’t say that the internet and LLMs were the same, but that the above conversation and ones I’d had about the internet were.
I think you misunderstood the context; this was about writing papers unassisted by technology, not about the specific technology involved.
No, I understand it’s not about the specific technology, but I thought you were trying to imply that they were similar and that they produce the same results in reference to writing papers. My apologies if that was incorrect.
what I meant is that new technologies tend to make people forget how things were done before they existed.
in the older example, my reply would be a sarcastic, “try a library!” Because that’s how we did research before we could just look anything up on the internet.
hell, there was a time when I wasn’t allowed to hand in my homework typed, as my teachers didn’t believe that I had completed the work myself unless they saw it in my own handwriting-- even though they were fully aware that was taking typing/computer classes. (elementary school in the 80s was… very different).
Yeah, makes sense from that angle. Thanks.
Having to write a book report in fifth grade on an author of a book and a book itself with only a school library or a local library available to you was an entire journey, not an afternoon. It took, like, a week, and you had to learn how to write footnotes and end notes with complete references and formatting and everything.
End during that journey, you had to learn a lot about how to do all of those things before you could even get at the information you wanted or needed.
When people say “things were better then, a lot of times that may be what they were referring to, because if I wanted to write a book report about, “to kill a Mockingbird“, I had to learn a lot just to get to that information. And that was the point of it.
Now, with AI, I’ve put more effort into this comment then some kid does to produce a 10 page essay about that book and the author without even having to read the book.
How far we have backslid
I’ve been seeing more and more tradies respond to customer enquiries with llm generated emails. AFAIC that instantly means you get shitlisted.
If you can’t even write a fucking email you are not working on my house. This is supposed to be your field of expertise and you outsourced even talking about it to something using fucking reddit and facebook as sources
As far as some costumers are concerned talking to them is all we should do. As though they are our only costumers.
No! We have shit to do! Being on the phone holding your hand all day doesn’t get us paid.
This kid’s going to lose their mind when they find out about books.
I author those kinds of papers routinely for work unfortunately. Usually closer to 30-40 pages but there are graphs so I guess that takes a few pages off. But….yeah…
Have this shitgurgling fuckwits ever heard of a goddamn book?
Those big stacks of flat wood from the before fore?
Heat many boilers to keep turbines spinning with those. The machine gods demand it
Yup. This applies to every technology post-enlightenment technology. We didn’t need cars, we didn’t need the internet, we didn’t need phones, we didn’t need TV, we didn’t need X-rays, we didn’t need pharmaceuticals, we didn’t need automated production and we certainly don’t need anything to think for us.
“There’s no way you could write a 10 page paper without ChatGPT”
Pulls out a novel
Pulls out medical journal
Pulls out documentation for home insurance
chatgpt please summarize all 3 of these
This novel is about a vampire who found love
This medical journal suggests Cancer is bad
This home insurance covers fire damage
i just read 3 whole books in a hour everyone, its so easy
The Feeling of Power by Isaac Asimov: https://archive.org/download/TheFeelingOfPower/The Feeling of Power.pdf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Feeling_of_Power
I never learned to bullshit much, and my default behaviour when i don’t know shit is doing nothing. Can anyone explain why i didn’t get a degree?
I’m not gonna feel any kind of sorry for an idiot that cannot imagine not needing a machine to do all of their thinking for them.
That’s a literal real world NPC right there.
And shit, that’s an insult to a fair number of NPCs, who have better writing, voice acting, and potentially GOAP driven tactics.
Fuck, sometimes even better facial animations.
Watching so many functioning adults and people alike just lobotomize themselves immediately when AI became a thing is just so fucking tragic
The CEO of one of my companies clients literally said they couldn’t do their job without Claude when we told him his PC was slowing down to the point of being unusable due to the desktop app and suggested he not use it
Higher cognitive skills are a nightmare from which they managed to awake.
It is the prophecy foretold by our entire 20th/21st century concept of Zombies.
Its just that the vector for mind obliteration is primarily digital, not biological or supernatural.
It is the endpoint result of our laziness and preference for convenience.
When the rat in the skinner box gets a button wired to its brain that releases dopamine, the rat just hits the button untill it dehydrates/starves to death.
I read Death by Ecstasy by Larry Niven when I was a kid. The idea of “wire head” has stuck with me. It does look a lot like people staring at their phones, I’ve noticed.
They’re probably voting though…
