Plz spoiler this. I know it’s important to see and have on my feed and I’m glad it is, but not everyone here has the benefits of privately viewing their feed.
Good picture but could you mark it as NSFW?
I don’t think anything in this picture is NSFW. It’s incredibly horrible, and a war crime, but most of the US profits from war now so I’d say this is the fruits of our labor.
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I’m not saying this image is bad or people should not know about the conflict, I’m just saying if I scrolled over this on my break and my boss saw this, he would be traumatized and I might gave to have a talk with him about it, and I think that makes it NSFW.
I literally said this picture is good, because it sets it in perspective but for me it’s one step below showing dead people/ corpses and I hope we can all agree those are definitely NSFW.
Not safe for school either, but that’s where it happened
If history shows us anything, it’s that there will be no change with the American system until Americans start giving enough of a shit to start killing those in the ruling class that enable this.
I’d settle for them just not voting for the people that enable this, but the best we can expect is for them to give a narrow majority to the lesser evil for a few years.
The fact that tens of millions of Americans actively support these actions and tens of millions more can’t be bothered to go to a poll to stop it means that hoping for any kind of armed change is a waste of time. If they can’t be bothered to pick up a ballot they’re not going to pick up a rifle. Best to boycott them and hope that their economy collapses to the point where they can’t afford to maintain their military.
The citizens of San Francisco literally started hanging politicians when their corruption got exposed back in the 1850’s and Sherman himself said “it’s a lost fucking cause”. The American public, especially the liberal side, has been pacified over the course of almost a century to believe violence is never the answer and peaceful protest will bring about change. But I think that is probably changing, given the reaction to the health insurance CEO’s assassination.
If they kept assassinating CEO’s, they would not have to go after the leaders at all.
CEOs are scum, but they aren’t the top of the food chain. They’re usually 1 or 2 steps down. And it’s really the corporations themselves we should be killing!
Take away their tools.
If you can’t manage that, you can usurp there power by providing any of the same products or services as non-profits or non-profit co-ops.
Joining credit unions, food co-ops, housing or power/water co-ops, CSAs, are all good ways to hit corps where it hurts the most, without relying on the gov to revoke their charters.
For-profit co-ops and B-Corps are a half-measure, but also a step in the right direction.
CEO’s are rich people, rich people have power, and rich people who act like psychos are a contamination.
Way easier to smoke 100 leads of a corp, than the corp itself.
U.S. and Israel handcrafting the next generation of extremists and terrorists because Republican foreign policy is entirely domestic theater.
This is very much bipartisan.
God fucking dammit.
Seems like you forgot the source link
Sorry, I pasted the wrong thing from my clipboard, updated.
A link to Reddit isn’t a good source. There they only say the picture is unconfirmed.
I love this guy. He’s not the only one signing about what’s going on, but he’s absolutely dead on with most songs.
Repubilcans gonna fuck them kids one way or another.
Liberals are on board with this “war”, and they’ll yell at you that they’re freeing Iranians from the evil supreme leader.
Let’s get it right, Democrats are on board, but they aren’t liberals. Of the two parties, they are more left than Republicans, but still conservative, not even moderate. The US has no dominant liberal party at all. Democrats would like you to think they’re liberal but only because it’s a convenient talking point when debating Republicans.
Both Republicans and Democrats totally love Fascism abroad.
So far, only Republicans love Fascism at home, whilst Democrats are “merely” relaxed about Fascism at home.
And by Democrats I mean those who control the party, rather than most of those who vote for it.
You’re so close, but that’s alright, we learn something new every day.
They are liberal, you just don’t know what liberal means. You probably think of liberal as the same as progressive, but these empire serving regime change wars are basic liberalism.
The original Liberalism was an anti-conservative, anti-monarchy movement founded on principles of equality, rule of law (as in: laws that transcend individual persons, as opposed to the very much personal rule of kings), natural rights (life, liberty, property in the general sense) and the consent of the governed. By extension of that last point, imperialsm isn’t liberal because it enforces the will of some ruling class (the imperialist) on its subjects (the imperial vassal).
Their idea of democracy, just as the Ancient original, didn’t actually include all humans in their understanding of the demos that does the self-governing, but that’s a different historical discussion.
Either way, imperialism most certainly is a conservative policy. If the Dems support (or fail to oppose) imperialism, while pretending to be (socially) liberal, they’re limp-dicked hypocrites with a spine of cooked pasta.
Liberalism was supposed to make the rich the powerful regardless of their birth or former social status. Original liberalists absolutely just wanted to change who wears the boot.
Hell, it is hard fought that workers have any rights over a feodal peasant. Liberals would have referred to keep it that way, want to slide backwards and companies are still as aggressively tyrannical as they can be.
Rejoice, liberal, for liberalism has won.
So you always look at things with the “original” prism, or the actual meaning?
That’s a definitional discussion: What does the term mean, and who gets to decide which meaning is the actual one?
If we take the literal word root, it just means anything relating to freedom, in which case we could debate whether the “freedom to bomb children” counts as liberal, but I’m not even going to extend that charity.
More relevant to the subject at hand, there are various branches of that philosophy, relating to how liberally they treat different areas of policy such as economic and social regulation. Which form do you consider to be the “actual” liberal philosophy?
Liberal by itself is an ambiguous term, so it’s generally best to prefix it with another word / prefix to clarify.
e.g. Neoliberal / Classical liberal - aligned to what I think parent post is saying. Implies economic right. Socially liberal - probably what the GP post means, meaning in favour of social liberties. Can be associated with economic left (usually coupled with positive protection of social liberties) or the economic right (e.g. libertarianism - usually believe government shouldn’t trample social liberties, but businesses can). Liberal is also a political party in many countries - e.g. in Australia it is a (declining, but formerly in power) right-wing party.
That said, I believe most wars are started for reasons of cronyism / crony capitalism, to distract from issues or project an image for the leader and/or for reasons of nationalism, and politicians from all sides will give an insincere pretext aligned to the politics people expect them to have.
You’re right, they’re not liberals, they’re all just neoliberals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
Freeing Iranian children from the burden of live seems like a pretty bad decision IMO
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This is fucking awful. What is happening.
Israel has control of the US government via blackmail gathered by Ghislaine Maxwell over decades. And they want Iran.
Not just the US government.
Have you seen the reaction of various members of the EU commission? It’s all about how bad Iran is.
It would be nice if the news would have some fucking info. I’m not seeing much of anything. People need to see the pain we are causing.
what for? so muricans can continue to not give a fuck?
Are you suggesting the news should just bury it instead?
Are you living under a fucking rock? This is the most unpopular leadership in the US in living memory. The majority of “Mericans” are against all of this.
Fuck you.
“I think if people see this footage they’ll say, “oh my God that’s horrible,” and then go on eating their dinners.”
Broadcasting the Vietnam war brought immense pressure against the government and led to tons of rallies and protests.
Make the American people uncomfortable with what is being done in our names. Bring the realities of war home.
Yeah there’s got to be tens of millions of Americans, maybe hundreds of millions, that have no idea that their government is bombing schools abroad. I bet there’s millions if not tens of millions who don’t even know anything about what ICE is doing in their own country.
Make them see it and maybe they’ll be uncomfortable enough with it to go out and protest.
at this point, those who “don’t know” are just faking ignorance or don’t want to know
Not a single top warmonger was held accountable
The difference is that the media used to be independent. Now the media is now almost completely captured by the accomplices, supporters, and puppeteers of these atrocities.
Damn you people are just awful. There are millions of Americans trying to organize against this shit. Just continue to get fucked, please and thank you.
Somehow we need to overthrow the government otherwise we’re equally as bad as trump supporters and deserve to die. All the while their leaders enable Trump’s madness
Overthrow the wholensystem the constitution, the two party system, the senate and congress
You first. Go ahead. We’ll wait.
I am not american. Stop blaming other for the problem you created
oh you are trying?!… oh well I’m sorry, it’s not like you did the same with Iraq over a decade ago… keep trying, we’ll just watch more children get slaughtered while you come around to it
please enjoy your latte in the meantime
I’m sorry, is there something specific you wanted me to drop my entire life to go do that will put an end to this shit storm that has been decades in the making? Or are you just being an absolutist piece of shit for no reason?
Also when the Iraq War started I was in middle school, so shame on our preteens for not putting an end to the rise of fascism!
Who the fuck is “you”?
Are you truly so stupid that you think all Americans are to blame for the crazy psychopathic shit our government gets up to?
I’ve voted against all this shit. I’ve protested it. I’ve donated money to relief groups.
You cannot morally hold an entire group of people to the evils committed by their oppressors. This child rapist in charge has a private army assaulting and killing Americans in front of our own homes right now.
If there is any sincerity to your words at all, and you’re not here to divide us, then maybe realize that we’re all in this together, and our enemy is the same fucking enemy.
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Are you really here to divide natural allies against one another? What else could you believe you’re achieving here?
Just about everyone on Lemmy hates Trump and the GOP. We want them all thrown in jail, and the madness against the world to end.
But you… Brave you. You’re here to divide us. Trump loves people like you. He loves the idea of radicalizing Americans against everyone else. You are doing his work. You are his tool.
The only thing that separates you from the Americans is a plane ticket. Why don’t you go over there and throw your life away trying to assassinate a politician? Do you not care???
There are millions of Americans trying to organize against this shit.
To no effect if the last checks notes 250 years or US foreign policy are any indication.
Clearly you didn’t check your notes very well if you think there’s been nothing significant achieved by American citizens against the government over the past 250 years. It’s fun to dunk on the US these days, but you should at least make valid criticisms.
if you think there’s been nothing significant achieved by American citizens against the government over the past 250 years.
As I very clearly said in my comment, I’m specifically talking about US foreign policy (aka imperialism), and historically the best Americans have been able to do is make their military leave after bombing everything to the ground. Maybe you have a different idea but I don’t consider Iraq or Vietnam to be success stories for the American public, and again those are the very best Americans have been able to do.
To no effect if the last checks notes 250 years or US foreign policy are any indication.
As you clearly said in your comment, 250 years or US foreign policy.
There have also been a couple of world wars that the US has assisted in in the past 250 years that I would consider success stories, it wasn’t just Vietnam and Iraq.
You’re a tool of Trump is you’re here to divide people against Americans, and Americans against the world.
It’s what he wants. It’s what he needs.
He won’t get it, though. You will fail.
So you have no response to my argument and can only respond with ad hominem. Noted and fuck you.
It’s not as if you really posed an argument. You just vaguely gestured to over a hundred years as if that tells us anything at all.
Feel free to elaborate on more specific points.
How many of your terrorist presidents did you try to put in jails with massive civil disobedience and protests?
These attempts to divide us (Americans) against Europe are failing. Fuck you instigators and divisionists.
You got Trump on your side - that guy who raped children, but you won’t turn the American people.
diversionists? I am for Americans to team up and get rid of war criminals including Trump and Bush . Trump will get away with his crimes because of people like you who let politicians get away with their attrocities
Me personally, or the 300 million other people that have no direct control over this situation?
You have a democracy you have no excuse as a whole population
Go look for it. Plenty of posters that get downvoted post real news.
Congress was about to push a bill limiting the ability of the president to declare war because of stick shaking orange baby. They found out and decided to strike first. All of this being a distraction from the Epstein files and kowtowing to Israel (who also struck iran)
Congress was about to push a bill limiting the ability of the president to declare war because of stick shaking orange baby.
The president can’t declare war anyway so this theoretical legislation would not have any effect
No they weren’t. It was theatre to buy time.
No way that was gonna pass.
Make America the villains of the world again
Always have been
Tell that to the Americans who died in Europe fighting the Nazi’s.
The Nazis were inspired by American beliefs.
Tell that to amerikkkan factories in germany which profited from the war, were exempt from the bombings
America first. 🤦🏻
Fuck the USA and the millions of maga mouth breathers and the other millions of poeple too selfish to give a fuck
They don’t give a fuck when their own children are gunned down in schools. They give even less of a fuck for children half a world away.
Hot take: school shootings (and mass shootings in general) are not enough of a problem to be even worth spending any political power on when the police kills more people per year than the amount killed by those spree shootings since 1982.
I couldn’t give a flying shit about white liberals finally getting to experience what’s like to be a victim or know a victim of gun violence when black neighborhoods lose people on the daily ON THEIR OWN HOMES because of the city or state’s refusal to enact actually effective gun violence prevention programs, and instead choosing to give a gorillion dollars to the police to the point they’re better funded than entire countries’ armies so they can kill us more effectively, and banning guns based on appearance and/or ergonomic features, or guns that are in common use by POC so they can effectively criminalize them further.
Also, ya’ll should notice how black schools never get shot up. You can kinda figure out why by yourself.
Hot take: school shootings (and mass shootings in general) are not enough of a problem to be even worth spending any political power on
sweats profusely
when the police kills more people per year than the amount killed by those spree shootings since 1982.
Had me in the first half, ngl.
The average liberal american is so fucking used to the police being a force of protection for them and them only that they completely forget almost all the time that cops can just kill you on a whim. They are all completely fine with police violence as long as it does not affect them. Most of them instantly short-circuit when you say this. Police has killed over 40k people since 1980, that’s pretty much the entire population of certain small towns, but they’d rather freak out about AR-15s at their suburban safe school or when they go to the mall. And if you dare to tell this to fragile white people on social media they block you or call you a gun nut because they can’t fucking confront their white fragility.
Yeah, you’re right. So many don’t even vote…
I just assume anything on the nose is LLM-generated at this point.
Always known Reddit to be a trusty source though.
/s
I don’t blame you. You can’t trust online media and it’s pretty hard to get information out of Iran or about a current war in general.
However, it is being widely reported by international news that this event happened.
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As an American I can tell you that Americans are not. The world needs to kick our teeth in.
If only. Y’all are completely unreachable except by nukes and nobody wants to start a nuclear war.
Best we can do is isolate you via trade so Americans start starving to death slowly. Many of us are already trying to phase out American products and services.
I reckon once the economy is shit enough, maybe your countrymen will get angry enough to take care of shit.
Yeah, sane Americans are hoping the same from within, and doing what we can to disrupt the evil assholes doing all of this. We make up perhaps a third of the population (a bit more than a third don’t even vote).
The GOP is trying desperately to divide us so we are less of a threat. This thread is FULL of content Trump would love. Good chance some of it is them, honestly. Nothing would help Trump more than this major segment of the American people fighting his enemies, instead of fighting him.
perhaps a third of the population (a bit more than a third don’t even vote).
Don’t you guys support the evil assholes but painted blue though?
Do what y’all gotta do imo. I’m looking forward to a less American future if we survive this shit.
We’re reachable by propaganda. Arrest Rupert Murdoch next time he comes home.
I can’t :( his home is a bit too far for my reach
Think he’s also handing it all off to his kids now. Unfortunately not to the one son who wasn’t extreme enough for him.
American here, so you want me to kick your teeth in first? How does that help, exactly? Are you MAGA?
I’m saying that the world has an America problem that doesn’t get solved until America faces actual consequences for the shit we keep doing.
Option 2 please
it’s like 2,500 miles from where I am and my state is standing up against the federal government… so my best protest is supporting my state. I am pretty sure Floridians have the best ability to overrun the shitstains home and force him back to DC where he should be anyway
Yeah, well have you considered that you should give up your life to go to DC and kill people??
-people who think they’re not deranged for some reason
yeah don’t do anything about your nazi state, nothing to see here, continue to consume.
What are you doing? Tell us.
‘Go kill people in DC or you’re doing nothing’ is fucked in the head politics. You wouldn’t be saying that to people in any other dictatorship.
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Oh, you replied to the wrong post. Because my post was about people who were saying to go kill people in DC.
But yeah, the trans person in the US is a Nazi for not making himself more of a target. Sounds like some real normal political views 👍
I honestly think a few of these accounts (like the one you’re responding to here) are paid for by the Trump administration.
That, or they are truly unwittingly doing exactly what Trump wants them to do.
If you believe we’re all Nazi’s, then Trump has done a wonderful job programming you. He would genuinely smile upon reading your post here.
If everyone sees Americans as on par with Trump, then it will be easy to turn Americans against the rest of the world in turn.
It’s all in the fascist playbook. Will you continue to play his game? Will you be his tool?
Fuck off, this is just Christian evangelicalism, but with Satan replaced by “Trump”. “Will you be his tool”? Seriously? Kids being murdered isn’t bad because you have a psychosocial relationship with Trump in particular
