cross-posted from: https://lemmy.today/post/54923731
Some accounts are deleting their posts after a few downvotes. It’s devastating on communities like c/asklemmy.
Lemmy doesn’t track an account’s karma like reddit. So, all downvotes will be isolated to your post or comment and won’t affect your account—unless you wrote something truly horrible.
Remember lemmy is a community effort. Deleting a post also removes all comments on it. So you are not only robbing the effort others put in, you are actively removing knowledge from the fediverse. Others won’t be able to find it through search and lemmy will seem lonelier than it already is.
On one hand, yes I find it irritating the way people treat their profile like some kind of extension of their personality and only post comments that will be well received.
One the other hand, I don’t really see much “knowledge” being removed from the fediverse. I don’t really understand how this behavior is devastating to communities.
I was on reddit for 10 years and have been on lemmy for 3. I’m still not sure what this is really supposed to mean.
There is absolutely a “lifetime” karma score available for users, its just not.
And if people want to go for high scores more power to them. Get that dopamine where you can queen.
Where is it?
Metadata, mostly
Elaborate pls. I know Piefed tracks the user’s votes under Attitude, but I’m not aware of tracking of other people’s votes on users posts and comments. Am I missing something?
Total per-account upvotes minus downvotes value is tracked for everyone, it is just hidden by choice in Lemmy. Other softwares have other approaches, Piefed has the “attitude” you mentioned. Kbin used to just show the full “karma” value, I’m not sure if Mbin still does. It doesn’t appeal to me so I don’t keep up with development.
Oh yeah, good point. It’s what lemvotes.org depends on.
I think their point is that on reddit, life time karma impacts the comment placement order; showing more comments from higher karma accounts. So I guess weirdos would delete comments that started to get negative votes on reddit so they weren’t seen as undesirable by the algorithm.
Also, aren’t there some subreddits that let you post if you have a certain amount of karma?
Deleting a post because it got downvotes? Who are these babies who can’t take people not liking them?
Sometimes down votes are a sign that you’re saying things people don’t want to hear or the right things but on a crazy instance, but sometimes down votes are a chance for self reflection where you have to ask yourself “Am I the asshole?” and in the latter case yeah I’m probably just going to delete it. No apologies though, I’m not looking to be a saint here.
Yeah like that time I commented on horshoe theory on a tankie sublemmy (honestly my fault. That’s like smoking next to the pump at a gas station) which really pissed off a lot of tankies lol.
You didn’t consider how Russia/China would feel before commenting on .ml? Absolutely scandalous.
For more context, my comment was making fun of how both fascists and tankies will line people up against a wall and shoot them for being the out group.
The vitriol I experienced lead me to believe that if it wouldn’t have explicitly proved my point for me, they would have threatened to line me up against a wall and shoot me for being the outgroup lmao!
It doesn’t even take that. Sometimes it just takes one opinion literally anywhere that one tankie sees that hurts their feelings, and they brigade away. It’s totally random. I’ve enjoyed them doing that on shitposts and memes on sub’s totally unrelated to .ml madness.
It also makes me think that there’s only actually like 10 or 20 tankies that each cycle through 30 accounts each, and one guy in Beijing that runs the “Propaganda: Other Platforms” desk coordinating of all. Or maybe that’s just a function of their groupthink. Hard to say.
I’m still new to Lemmy but yeah I’ve noticed that too. They show up anywhere they see stuff they don’t like.
What’s kind of fun is you can basically summon them by saying “Trotsky wouldn’t have been better than Stalin” three times in a mirror.
“Numbers, math, measures, and money were all independently invented my numerous civilizations because they are all usefull things.”
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As someone with social anxiety for some people seeing a large negative social response to something you said or did, even if just abstractly represented by a number, is pretty distressing 🤷🏻♂️
I generally leave stuff up unless its misleading or something, but I can empathize with why someone would take it down
All around you.
I want to prove I’m not a baby so please downvote this comment.
Me too, go ahead - it doesn’t matter.
What matters is when people scan your post history and check why you were downvoted, given the context of the comment. The community here is smaller, so if you post consistently, you can actually build a meaningful organic reputation (that is: other user’s opinions of you). Karma doesn’t matter. What you post, and how you engage with other users does.
Downvote my comment, so I can share your pain. I promise I will spend at least five seconds caring.
people not liking them
Half of lemmy:
I will say in their defense that some people delete their comments/posts not because they care about “karma” but because they now feel they were wrong and are genuinely embarrassed or think that its continued presence is just an annoyance to other people.
That said, imo, unless you realize you’ve broken a rule in posting it or literally just posted by accident, it’s healthier for yourself and the community to simply e.g. edit in a correction and a “mea culpa”, even if you continue to get dogpiled for it.
I delete them when I don’t have the energy to argue with people online about things. They can be the one terminally online. I’m not chasing them down that rabbit hole. Especially when you get comment after comment replying to you and you know they don’t want to argue in good faith and you’re just signing up to get cyber bullied by a brick wall.
I have, in the several years I’ve been here, deleted only a handful of comments - pretty much exclusively as a result of me being in a terrible mood and/or too drunk and commenting something very stupid or dickish, then reading it the next morning and going “what the fuck was I doing 🤦♂️”. That is thankfully vanishingly rare for me lol
Everyone’s presence is annoying. That’s called being human.
Is there no one in your life whose presence you enjoy?
Not who you’re replying to, but…nope.
All the time? Fuck no. Hell, my wife and I love each other in part because we like time alone.
That’s an impossible standard to achieve. Best one can do is become neutral, whatever benefits they bring balances out the burden of dealing with them.
The other day somebody asked me a question and I couldn’t be bothered to deal with them, but later on I decided to answer in earnest and deleted the previous response.
That’s so annoying
I’ve seen it a few times. It’s stupid. Why bother participating if you’re just going to take your ball home, so to speak.
I’ve had discussions here with people that don’t want down votes, like in YouTube. There are instances that have them disabled.
Have you seen the president, or met any of the millions of people who voted for him?
ysk that on mbin, your rep points (karma) exist
Just don’t post any real shit post in the sublemmy shitpost. That will get you a ban. Only picture of fairies and unicorns are allowed for these poor sensitive souls. I though lemmy would be more educated than reddit but unfortunately there are a small group of loud little bitches everywhere ruining the world for everyone else.
People actually cared about Reddit karma?
I’ve deleted multiple posts for different reasons:
- answers were crap (mostly offtopic, missing the point, simply attacking me instead of the question, etc.)
- mbin doesn’t support muting notifications from topics, so I’d just keep getting them, so it was simpler to delete than wait for people to stop talking
- I got my answers and it wasn’t that important
I don’t give 2 shits about “points”. You could make this the most downvoted comment on the planet and I would leave it up (if I didn’t get notifications)
I delete posts older than two days if they didn’t contribute something worth looking up again later
Don’t tell me what to do. Also, thanks for the info!
Devastating? Jeez.
If you want to make a code change proposal, go ahead and make one. Otherwise, deletion is a feature offered to Lemmy users to use as they see fit. In fact some earlier (unrelated) proposals to speed up the software were rejected on the grounds that deletion is required to actually scrub the entry from the database, rather than simply making it inaccessible through the web. The scrubbing requirement may have been abandoned by now though.
I half remember a Lemmy client (Voyager?) with a user setting to automatically delete any post or comment that the user makes after 7 days or something. It had nothing to do with karma. I didn’t use that setting but it seemed reasonable to me. Lemmy is a discussion forum not a long term archive.
I do like the idea of adding a wiki feature to Lemmy, to hold info of long term value to a community. Reddit already has something like that.
The comments under the post is content that other users contribute too. It’s very frustrating to be having what amounts to a conversation in the comments just for OP to thrash the whole thing. There’s also the problem that a lot of deleted posts are bots probably building a “unique” dataset to sell after (just a hypothesis).
No reason why we can’t just have the body and the username removed from the post while keeping the comment section.
I like the suggestion in your last sentence. Some deletions might be humans knowing their posts are being used to build unique data sets to do whatever the miner wants to do with them.
Yes I see what you’re getting at. IDK how a software change proposal would be received. It could be that the devs think that the other comments on the thread could somehow identify the original poster or the topic. On at least one reddit subgroup there’s a bot that does that on purpose (copies the original post and maybe the author name into a thread comment). The reasons for the bot might be specific to the subreddit.
People delete their posts because they aren’t getting karma? That’s kinda sad.
I get that but there’s also a certain “ugh” when a bunch of .ml folks find a post and want to yell at you about it.
We all gotta find out about the .ml someday.
For sure. But it’s just tiring to get notifications for hours of someone yelling about shit libs or something.
That’s a different situation though. Getting dogpiled isn’t fun. Op is talking about regular normal posts and comments.
That’s totally fair. I guess I have a hard time imaging anyone caring about downvotes so I assumed it had to be something like what I described.
I agree, it’s a weird thing.
Honestly the folks at .ml are actually kinda chill compared to that one instance with the bear.
So you’d rather be in a forest with a mali than in one with a bear?
Nah I’d pick like 500 bears first
You can block them once and for all. It’s like they don’t exist.
Yeah but the fediverse is still so small that I would miss a lot of content.
My current set up is to watch for .ml posters/comms and avoid commenting. For other, less immediately obvious folks, I’ll tag them with a pukey emoji after an unpleasant interaction and generally avoid engaging.
The thing that set up has really brought home is that while there are many folks I find aggressively ignorant, they may still post fun stuff in more neutral, non politics subs. Really eye opening how much I can vehemently disagree with someone in one context and have them be perfectly fine and even funny in another.
I don’t miss it one bit, personally. The positives to blocking the whole instance far outweighs the negatives, imho. There are tons of other communities, and it helps make room for such things as poetry (with barely any subscribers and almost no commenters) to show up.
Ofc you do you - there may be a specific community that you feel that you cannot do without. Perhaps you can help by reposting stuff from it elsewhere.
karma is heavily abused by botters, spammers, and used as an excuse by reddit/mods to filter out people they dont like.
That’s one of fediverse’s most underused selling points. Karma farming is impossible here.
What if we aren’t coming from Reddit? I had good karma way before the internet ever existed because I tried my best to treat the world around me with love and respect. Now that I’m older and knee-deep in the world’s tech I find I’ve become a bit irascible. Maybe that’s more a product of age than social engineering. I hope so.
Then you simply won’t feel the usual pressure to perform that people worried about karma feel before posting anything.
Maybe that’s why people on Lemmy are also sort of extra curmudgeonly. They can be without facing algorithmic consequences.
