even casual drinking increases your risk of cancers by alot. also promotes heart disease, alochol related damage, blood pressure issues. and thats where omezpic steps in, to curb alcohol abuse, plus type 2 diabetes.
also besides alcohol is use to subdue a population from causing an uprising.
Makes you wonder why weed got such pushpback then. Alcohol subdues a lot of people but aggravates a lot too, but hard to stir an uprising of stoners unless they are storming capitol hill’s taco bell
actually its OMEZPIC now, and other GLP-1, its seems to be “treating” for different addictions. noticed how omezpic and similar drugs are getting dropped from insurances, when articles about alcohol sales going down. plus MITCH mcconnel being suddenly against the drug, hes deep in alcohol industry in his state.
even casual drinking increases your risk of cancers by alot
Not according to the CDC. Binge drinking carries a host of risks, even if done infrequently. Moderate (ie, less than 2 drinks a day) drinking is generally not associated with negative health impacts.
also besides alcohol is use to subdue a population from causing an uprising.
I’ve heard both sides of this. Beer as an intoxicant reducing the population to drunken louts, incapable of self-defense. And beer as a social lubricant, capable of bringing people together for collective action.
I don’t think the alcohol is the proximate cause, either way. Certainly, there have been a multitude of hard-drinking Revolutionaries and Reactionaries alike (Hoffbrau’s were popular with both Lenin and Hitler). Meanwhile, Prohibition as a public policy was largely used to harass the working poor and monopolize production/imports into the hands of well-positioned political insiders.
On the other hand, why do you think we gave up the hunter/gatherer life style?
Cultivating grapes for wine and grain for beer was the origin of civilization!
I hate that alcohol, such an obvious health detriment, is so ingrained in culture that people don’t even question it… Your link makes it worse!
I hate that existence, such an obvious health detriment, is so ingrained in culture that people don’t even question it…
Like the link points out, we were drinking before we had written language.
It’s a matter of dealing with life on life’s terms. The reality is that people like drinking. Sometimes people drink too much, and a few unlucky folks can’t drink anything without risking death.
I ocne read a story about a Vietnam era war correspondent. He was a pacifist before going to cover combat and seeing combat up close made him hate war even more.
At one point a publisher asks him to contribute an article that ‘deglamorizes war.’
He wrote back that deglamorizing war would be as easy as deglamorizing sex.
Let’s fire up a peace pipe with tobacco then!
/j
Cool, let’s. /nj
A ha ha ha Cheech & Chong?! That’s an old memory 😁😁😁 loved it, but I don’t even dare thinking how badly it could have aged 😬😁
With one important difference: Wine was often diluted back then and beer was not as strong as it is today, so it was much less dangerous on the whole, and it was so weak that even children drank it instead of the terrible water of the time. Though they also drank water when it was good.
Less strong, but since they drank beer instead of water overall consumption was higher. Lots of people should still drink less though.
Yeah! It was seen as an everyday good feeling healthy thing back then and not just something to get wasted on, though that happened a lot too. I’d take the ancient mindset of moderation over today’s alcohol addicted society anyday.
Not sure it was so much about good feeling. From what I read it was more about booze being less likely to grant you a plague debuff than water back in the days.
It’s almost certainly both. It’s not like alcohol is the only drug humans have used. Most do not have that justification, yet they’re still used.
Thankfully we haven’t progressed since then!
So you’re telling me without alcohol I could have spent my life picking berries before I died of a toothache at 25? And instead I’m reading excel sheets and will die a prolonged death after years of chemo at 85?
Damn alcohol really is the cause of all my problems…
The “dying at 25” thing is the result of a common misrepresentation of data. Infant mortality rates were significantly higher in the past, so the average gets thrown off. But, if you remove those data points (to reflect post-infancy mortality), you’d be living roughly the same amount of time.
No one is forcing you to brush your teeth.
True, but its illegal for me to wander my neighborhood and pick berries from “private property”
Realistically, if you eat out of trash cans you’ll have the same experience, and if you’re quiet and neat, no one will report you.
Found the racoon
We prefer “opportunistic omnivore” but yes
Back when life expectancy was 45.
Popular misconception.
There were a lot of people who never made it out of childhood, which skews the average down.
But if you made it to adulthood, you had a pretty good chance of making it to 65 or so.
That’s how averages work. Math.
That’s also why averages aren’t a good measure of a lot of things and are misleading.
The oldest recipe we have found was a recipe for beer.
Good thing someone else did the work long ago, so I don’t need to keep drinking it.
Welp. cracks open another one
Damn, glad I quit drinking.
(Hits vape pen.)
(/s, just in case it wasn’t clear.)
Glad I quit drinking and am currently quitting the vape pens.
Right on, it took some doing but I’m glad I quit nicotine. It’s worth it!
cause
attributable
What now?
Yup, cause implies mechanism, of which there is very little here, seems a lot more like correlation. Also, it’s Harvard
nutritionpublic health, which is, problematic.
Had to do a double take with that image, the last time I saw it was in the instructions for how to use a menstrual cup. 😳
A cup? I usually just drink straight from the bottle
Left: wine glass with broken off foot.
Right: chess piece reveal party.
Well, I was thinking of dropping alcohol anyways.
Did it on New year’s eve. I’m enjoying it so far…
Social life changes a lot. Luckily I didn’t have one to begin with.
I’ve found 0% beer is good for having a drink in your hand during a social event. They’re not really that good in and of themselves that you can drink them to appreciate them like a real beer, and of course they don’t get you drunk at all. But it’s better than having water or nothing.
Older males in my family were all diabetic by my age. The main difference between us? I don’t drink wine with my meals. Idk if that’s a coincidence, but it makes me wonder.
But, “Everything in moderation.”, and “The dose makes the poison.”
Go ahead and counter with this ancient “wisdom”, then continue to drink. It’s your body, you don’t need to justify how you abuse it to anyone.
The important thing is that you found a way to feel superior.
You’re not wrong. From the study:
Most fully alcohol-attributable diseases require heavy drinking, either occasionally (e.g. alcohol poisoning) or chronically (most chronic disease categories linked to alcohol).
The way I read it, the commenter does not believe moderation prevents harm. Hence the “wisdom” in quotes. But they’re for the freedom to self-“abuse.”
I am still waiting for someone to refudate this analysis. So far, I have yet to see one even close. It’s one of the best I have seen.
https://www.jacc.org/doi/10.1016/j.jacc.2007.04.089
The most important statistic mentioned is light drinkers have a reduction in all-cause mortality compared to non-drinkers. While heavy drinkers or binge drinkers have an increase.
It’s a critical statistic that all of these sensationalist headlines fail to account for or even analyze.
I think that’s not because of alcohol - I am a light drinker (3 a week, or less) now and it’s because my life is better and I am healthier and not as stressed or poor. I can drink not daily because I’m not an addictive sort of person. Yeah my health is better now than the years I didn’t drink but it’s because I have more money, can get medical care, have time to exercise too, all the benefits of the easier lifestyle we finally reached.
I don’t think it’s so harmful, nor helpful, always take July & December as dry months and see no difference in how I feel.
I know that’s anecdotal, but unless they are controlling for income and overall lifestyle, my guess is that light drinking is an indication of a healthy moderate sort of lifestyle not an actual healthy factor in one.
Heavy drinkers is not what you think it is. The effect of “light” drinkers is due to poor sampling effect of non drinkers, who are both rare and often have other health issues. Repeated studies show no amount of intake is beneficial.
IIRC that effect is more a result of bad categorization rather than light alcohol use actually being correlated with lower mortality.
People who used to be heavy drinkers and who have since quit get put in the “non drinkere” category, but because they used to drink heavily their mortality is still impacted even after they stop. You don’t suddenly get a good liver after 10 years of tearing it apart after all.
So the “non-drinkers” category has an artificially worse mortality than the light drinkers.
At the end of the day the body breaks alcohol down into some carcinogens. No amount of that is good for you.
It’s a decent argument but it’s not supported in the data.
Now I am going to have to dig up that study from China. They had a sample size of over 1 million people with repeated blood draws, medical history and a full alcohol use history. It showed the same all-mortality curve for non-drinkers (never consumed) versus light drinkers.
What’s interesting is heavy drinkers who quit reverted back close to the never consumed level after like 5 years.
I swear I had it saved to my zotero account but I can’t find it. I will keep looking.
Bottom line: ethanol under the right dosage reduces cardiovascular disease and diabetes. The amount of reduction more than compensates for its risks of creating other diseases like cancer. However the negative effects of over-consumption make it unethical for any medical professional to recommend non-drinkers to start drinking. If you choose to drink, 1-2 drinks per day depending on sex and weight is the hard limit.
2 drinks a day is a heavy drinker.
The blood thinning effect of alcohol has been dismissed by several studies, it’s a cause of many types of heart disease. The problem is people lie about intake, and the teetotlers and typically ex alcoholics.
Ethanol is a toxin, it effects mitochondrial efficiency at incredibly low levels. Huge risk factor for dementia.
Also be careful of regional studies like the large Chinese cohort because a lot of effects are due to genetics. Bad epidemiology had people convinced fish oil would would prevent heart disease because of one study in inuit that failed to consider genetics.
There is no safe amount of alcohol.
Speaking of terrible studies. The one you linked is absolutely terrible.
Have you read of the actual paper. Their conclusions are absolutely not supported by the evidence and their methodology is statistically invalid.
that’s just it, they always meddle with what you do with your own body.
The same way bible thumpers just can’t be satisfied with how others live their lives
Send this to Doug Ford, who has an agenda to keep everyone drunk, while he does not drink.
Gotta go sometime and I’d rather do it having enjoyed a little bit of wine
Yeah if it’s going allow me to relax enough to have a good time on the weekends then it is what it is. No point in living anyway if I’m not able to have a good time.
Slow motion suicide.
It’s the cause of 100% of my arguments and misunderstandings, haha.
Owning a gun makes you 12-times more likely to die from a gunshot.
Yep, and having a pool in your backyard makes you 12-times more likely to die from drowning.
A review of the relationship between dimensions of alcohol consumption and the burden of disease: 2026 update including Mendelian randomisation studies https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/add.70435
The problem with meta analysis of epidemiology is that so much epidemiology is shit, by flunkee MDs, that meta analysis just concludes data is mostly shit.
Of course it’s a toxin. Even a few drinks induces ataxia by toxifying the cerebellum.
I’m just linkin’ the paper, Homie. Makes it easier for people access. Have a nice day.
Alcohol’s a helluva drug.
