Drill, baby, drill!
No one buys America cars expect Americans. This isn’t new.
In many countries Ford and Tesla are on the top 10 lists. The Ford Puma is the number 1 selling vehicle in the UK right now. If you had said “American cars don’t have the majority of sales outside of America” you’d be right, but “Nobody buys them” certainly isn’t true.
Yes i was exaggerating, it want literal. I mean no one wants to buy American 😂
US admin and auto industry: “We’re digging our own graves? Let’s double down!”
And China subsidizes over 50% of every EV that is exported. It’s called economic warfare, dump a bunch of shit onto a market cheap and destroy everyone elses economy in that area. Chinese EVs aren’t magically “cheap”, they pay workers almost nothing and subsidize the rest.
You got a source for those facts?
You saying the US government has not given Detroit $88B since 2008?
And American companies definitely don’t take government hand outs left and right
It’s a good thing that China subsidizes EVs. We should be doing that too!
us, eu wont, because OIL countries funds the political parties , they wont give it up, they will die holding onto it.
We subsidize EV purchases in much of Europe, regardless of where they’re made. That way there’s no economic warfare, you’re not pushing cheap product to drive competitors out of business.
The Chinese model is designed to kill off competition worldwide so they can eventually raise prices. They can afford to do it because unlike every other country with a manufacturing economy, they can use tax money to do whatever they want without worrying about re-election and also they are the world’s most important trade partner. It’s easier to stop trading with the US or EU than with China.
People would vote for a government that gave them cheap electric cars. This has nothing to do with needing to win elections, it has to do with pleasing daddy US and daddy doesn’t want the world to stop using oil. Europe is a US neocolony.
It’s obvious the table is turning around because other people matters in todays world too.👌👌👌
The auto industry collapsed a long time ago and they stopped listening to consumers about the same time. Now only foreign cars are manufactured in the US.
There just aren’t that many domestic automakers actually attempting the market the way China is. I think part of the reason for that is the adoption rate of American drivers of EV’s. Especially without the tax credits to subsidize the cost. The US is struggling to sell new cars and EV’s make up only 10% of new cars sold.
Especially without the tax credits to subsidize the cost.
Too bad the US doesn’t have access to cheaper non-US made EVs.
Yep. Politics is part of the reason too. But only part of it. Most Americans can’t afford a new car even if it’s cheap. That’s why new car sales are so low. The tax credits helped a lot of people buy EV’s. Now that the current Admin has gotten rid of the credit people aren’t buying or leasing them but people can’t afford the pre-owned vehicles either.
So what I’m saying is, people can’t afford to buy used EV’s either.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a70020914/why-2026-will-be-a-great-time-to-buy-a-used-ev/
Just saying, but people not being able to afford a new vehicle is because of politics. Not Republican vs Democrat politics, but capitalist vs worker politics.
Yeah. I wasn’t clear. I meant like. Not due to car manufacturers lobbying against EV’s or tax credits etc to encourage people to by them/make them more affordable. That kind of thing. I wasn’t thinking about the socioeconomics of why people can’t afford cars.
Don’t forget all the infrastructure that goes with EVs and an additional cost to add charging to your home or even having your own house to plug them in.
If you have a parking space with a nearby power outlet, you can make do with that just fine.
If you don’t, yeah, that’s rough.
This is largely an out of proportion concern. As long as you’re like most people and park your car at home overnight for 8+ hours a standard extension cord and outlet is sufficient. If you need rapid charging then your life follows an irregular schedule or you got the absolute largest battery for the largest SUV/truck available.
Totally.
I’m in a rental townhouse and only have a 110v standard outlet and it absolutely is enough is most cases.
I was determined to drive at least mostly electric even if it cost somewhat more and the best I could afford was an Outlander PHEV. So if I do have to do more in a day than the battery it just swaps to engine. Daily job commute and other household driving and we are still floating between 75-90% electric drive.
My wife wasn’t convinced in talking through it with her. However she had never driven either an EV or PHEV. I got her to drive a Kia EV9 and she loved how it felt but it was just too expensive and she still at that point felt like it was only a pure EV thing to drive like that.
Then we test drove the Outlander and she immediately wanted it. It is an electric first design and you can feel it.
In my opinion we should have been doing traditional hybrid and/or PHEV back in the late 80s. Built up the battery manufacturing and quality and be on full electric for basically all home use vehicles by now.
For heavy load and construction it should be bio diesel hybrids. Not that those are ideal either but still the best we can do in short term tech swap.
And then of course trains. More trains.
The outlanderss are nice. They use Nissan chassis with Mitsubishi drivtrain. They are well equipped. I drove an ionic5 which I think the ev6 is and they are awesome. I would like to have an ionic5 or 6 n.
They’re not cheaper. They’re just being sold below cost for the express purpose of putting their competitors out of business.
My side does it: necessary and just subsidies in the national interest.
The other side does it: flooding the market with unfair subsidies!
Bad strawman. What situation are you even describing here and who is “my side” exactly, every automaker in the world that isn’t based in China?
The US is struggling to sell new cars and EV’s make up only 10% of new cars sold.
I would love to buy an EV but a brand new car is too expensive and there’s not much in the way of reasonably priced, used EVs available so I’m currently sticking with the internal combustion engine.
I’m sticking with my ICE cars because they have buttons and switches and only a tiny screen and won’t be selling my data to my insurance company and aren’t SUVs.
Though I did put a deposit down on a Slate truck.
I have bad news for you about modern cars.
There’s a reason I don’t mind dumping thousands into two decade-plus-old cars.
Well, two. The other is that it’s still probably cheaper than buying something.
And what are the bad news?
Both China and EU are making certain physical switches a requirement; Due to the safety risk of ‘all is computer’
I put a deposit down too. Living somewhere kind of remote, I do worry about how far away a trained service shop will be. They’ll have less maintenance requirements for sure, but there will still be maintenance required.
FWIW, my local shop claim they can handle state Inspection, brakes, tires, and suspension work on my Tesla. The most likely to wear items are also more generic.
Of course an accident or some other breakdown is an entirely different story
One of the main reason a country’s government will subsidize or otherwise encourage green energy and EV adoption is as a geopolitical strategy to reduce dependence on oil, due to the fact that most oil-producing nations are deeply unstable for one reason or another. The USA’s problem is that it is one of those deeply unstable oil-producing nations, and so it wants to keep the renewables market suppressed and the oil and oil derivatives market boosted.
Here in Ireland we don’t have one jot of domestic oil production, so renewables are seen as a way to not be held hostage by the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune (and idiotically unnecessary wars in the Middle East, and idiotically random tariff wars) because we do have our own water, wind and sunshine. America doesn’t have that natural incentive to the same extent that we do.
Heck even oil producing European countries such as Scotland and Norway, considers renewable the future
There just aren’t that many domestic automakers actually attempting the market the way China is.
I don’t want to nor think we should try to compete with a country that employs slave labour.
Exploitative labour practices in China may have paid dividends for us westerners, but I don’t want to work the way they work.
The State of California uses slaves to fight forest fires.
Okay, but here’s what I mean. Ford decided at the end of 2025 to cut back on manufacturing and far scale back it’s plans for producing more electric versions of their vehicles. They did that because the demand for their EV’s isn’t there because the price point for them is ridiculous.
There’s a lot of EV’s sitting on dealer lots, so much so they were last I checked giving incentive programs to get employees to buy them.
That hasn’t got anything to do with China or BYD and everything to do with the fact that their cars arent selling because potential buyers don’t have money.
My comments had nothing at all to do with the labor practices of China.
There’s a lot of EV’s sitting on dealer lots….
And there’s one of the major problems; using the stealership model. Buying from Tesla or Rivian or Slate is/will be a breeze because it’s all online. No haggling with a stack of shit in a suit about cost or going somewhere to be told “we don’t sell the EV models here”.
Bitch, you’re a dealership. You sell cars.
Tesla’s sales are in the dumps too. Last I checked they were down 9%. Rivian’s sales were down to something like a 3 year low as of the beginning of this year. The fact is, the vehicles cost to much for the average American.
Does it really matter? Won’t the government just block all Chinese vehicles from being sold here so carmakers in this country don’t have to compete?
True but nobody can afford to buy American vehicles so it’s hurting the companies since they can’t sell anything
40-60k for a new EV, that may have some kinks as well.
There are more US auto workers working for foreign-owned companies than there are for American-owned companies. Eventually the Chinese EV companies will follow the path of Honda, Totota, etc. and just start opening factories in the US. Tariffs don’t apply to US-built cars.
american ones are pretty crappy, and alot of them are built in mexico anyways.
Still doesn’t help with the fact that not a single person outside the US will buy a Tesla or a Ford.
Sooner or later Americans will stumble onto TikToks and see how cool BYDs or Beijings are, and they’ll wonder why their Chevrolet is a piece of shit.
The iron curtain only gets you so far when the internet exists. And when a government is too incompetent to even try to censor it.
Tesla stores are pretty common in China. They still buy the Tony Stark tech genius businessman schtick.
Tesla sales have been falling pretty badly in China for a few years now, ever since Chinese companies improved their cars. However, it looks like it had a good couple months at the beginning of 2026. I’d still expect Tesla China to go out of business in a few years.
For anyone interested:
Sadly Tesla is still 6% of the EV market in Europe (apparently because of inclusion in Uber Black and UberXL)
Ugh ffs why would anyone use Uber anyway when we have Bolt and I’m assuming some other services (but Bolt is the main one here since it’s an Estonian company and I’m Estonian)
I’m pretty sure there are even more Teslas in Bolt than in Uber. In my country most Tesla taxis are actually Bolts. Bolt in general seems to have more expensive cars than Uber, from what I’ve seen.
A lot of drivers had the idea of taking a loan for a Tesla, then paying it from driving for Uber/Bolt. Not sure how it’s going for the Uber ones with Uber’s declining driver rates.
Oh no! Is it time for the auto industry to collapse, get 81 billion dollars, change nothing, and berate the American consumer for being too poor to buy their cars that now cost twice as much for no specific reason other than capitalism again?
After getting that $88 billion bailout They’ll bring back sedans and start researching EVs…for about 4 years and switch back to gas guzzling jacked up overcompensating trucks for the men and big suburbans/yukons for the moms who pay more attention to their phones than the road.
Rinse repeat
they’ll bring back sedans
Dodge: here’s your Dart
Chevy: here’s another Cobalt clone that uses a worse motor
Ford: We’ll make any Sedan you want as long as it’s a Mustang and not a sedan
“th-thanks…” 😕
It sure as hell isn’t time to ride the bus or build a train. So I guess we’re doing your thing.
public transportation is pretty lacking in teh us, even “funded blue area” they are usually neglected too.
Noice. Schedule another for 2041?
That’s optimistic, better pencil in 2029
I’ll hold the date, thank you.
Better watch out for Kazakhstan. They are KICKING OUR ASS in potassium production. Soon, every American child will be a Kazakhstanian bride, and I did not cost taxes for the majority of my life to deal with this mumbo jumbo garbage. That’s why I voted for Trump. Also, it’s the “Kazakhstanian” part of this that bothers me. That’s why I voted Trump.
Why are you coming at Kazakhstan? Can you go see a ballet for like 4USD? Does your city have a subway and tram system?
Because your country is only known to Americans because a singular comedy movie where the main character is pretending to be what Americans believe a person from a place called Kazakhstan is like, that’s how relevant you are. You exist. Congratulations. I got shit to do.
It’s good to be irrelevant to Americans because otherwise Americans will shit up the place.
See, the cool thing about this is that I’m American and I’m engaging in banter and you’re butthurt and prejudiced and projecting hate. That’s what different about us, specifically.
Actually I am the one engaging in banter and you are the one with the hurt butt. Checkmate.
Kazakhstan number one exporter of potassium. All other countries have inferior potassium.
I don’t understand. Using Elon in charge of Tesla? How can it be failing? I thought he was a genius and not just some guy that had a profitable company partly in thanks to all the carbon credits being sold?
Remember when Tesla was just a play to sell more batteries? This is now BYDs business model.
I don’t remember that ever being a thing, actually. (Edit: as in “it completely went under my radar”)
It was related to Tesla giving away it’s electric motor payments, Elon said he did it to encourage battery sales.
Opening patents could help facilitate the expansion of battery charging infrastructure and ultimately create customers for Tesla’s future battery factories, Kallo said.
Tesla has a goal of producing a mass-market electric car in about three years, and the company hopes a large-scale factory will leverage its projected demand for lithium ion batteries to reduce their cost. https://abcnews.com/Business/elon-musk-gain-giving-teslas-patents/story?id=24111407
US vehicles are huge, Earth killing dinosaurs. And like the dinosaurs, they will be extinct someday.
I’m guessing a big part of the problem isn’t even the Tesla politics or the right-wing perception of EVs… it’s probably close to 100% cost. They’re expensive AF and everyone in America is poor. Most EVs are touted as a luxury ordeal with luxury prices. China can do cheap EVs, but that doesn’t work with American business’s demand for profit margin.
Maybe it’s time the corporations go through some austerity measures?
problem isn’t even the Tesla politics … Most EVs are touted as a luxury ordeal with luxury prices.
That is Tesla politics. Tesla specifically wanted to build a luxury, very complicated machine as their first EV. While Chinese automakers did the opposite, they began small with less complicated machines (hey smaller battery for smaller weight) and then built more complex and luxury models on top of that base
Think of it like Kodak with digital cameras. Even knowing the market is being disrupted, even having the technology, there is never a short term reason for self disruption. If the company can’t consider the longer term while a market is being disrupted, they will not survive. Of course selling a couple thousand EVs is not going to earn back the cost of entirely new factories and supply chains after two years. Duh. Of course it’s easier to sell hundreds of thousands of legacy vehicles built in legacy factories that are already paid for using supply chains that already exist. But one of those approaches is on a decline to the grave while the other is a paradigm shift for the entire global industry
Doesn’t help the US is so anti-competitive, so protectionist, so many policies favoring excessively large inefficient vehicles. By the time we emerge from this smog of political chaos, legacy American car companies will no longer be able to survive independently nor compete globally.
But the car companies certainly lay deserve a lot of blame- across the entire car market preferring to sell fewer more expensive vehicles, rather than more vehicle that are more affordable.
Chinese businesses also demand profit margin, they just don’t have worker’s unions or a minimum wage.
Lmao China has both minimum wage and worker’s unions (literally the CPC can be considered one giant worker’s union).
The real reason things are so cheap in China is that it has spent the last 50 years building its productive capacity specifically so that commodities can be affordable for everyone, and everyone has a job that will allow them to afford that. The US, on the other hand has spent the same period ensuring the entire economy works to enrich a few people at the cost of everyone else.
Lmao China has both minimum wage
No, there is no federal minimum wage in China, and the provincial ones are lower than any western country.
and worker’s unions (literally the CPC can be considered one giant worker’s union).
Sure, in the sense that they also have a “democracy” where only one party is allowed. If you believe their propaganda, I have a bridge to sell you.
The real reason things are so cheap in China is that it has spent the last 50 years building its productive capacity
You mean because western capitalists have spent the last 50 years building its productive capacity.
Do you really think they’re going to let the people have any control of that?
ensuring the entire economy works to enrich a few people at the cost of everyone else.
And China copied that and took it to the extreme. Why do you believe their propaganda so easily? Are you Chinese?
That was a blatant choice to back old fossil fuel money against alternative forms of energy. Nobody made trouble for them. They made trouble for themselves. It’ll always happen when you pray at the temple of capitalism.
I thought I just read an article about how they were making and “selling” all these cars only to junk a lot of them. I guess it doesn’t matter if they are driven after they are sold as long as they are sold? Are these cars going directly to the scrap heap an amazing feat of technology for China, who also builds cities no one is allowed to live in? This is the future?
You got a source to back up your extraordinary claim?
I was a bit mistaken, it was about prototype cars. Anyways, anyone cheering for the Chinese EV industry should know exactly what they are cheering for https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2023-china-ev-graveyards/
I’m not on anyone’s side but the earth’s
I was a bit mistaken
Weird way of putting “I was completely wrong”
No, they’re not.
Next idiotic question?
Good bot.
Cretin.
plonk, as we used to say in the good old days.
Lol, some mouth on you.
