News about global trade deficits isn’t mildly interesting. It’s mildly boring.
Yeah this is the wrong comm, should be /c/actually_infuriating@lemmy.world
Love how the article completely ignores Tesla and doesn’t even mention it, although it is also an american car maker
Last i heard they identified themselves as a robotics company so
I’m happy musk is out of politics, perhaps he learned some lesson. It’s possible. Then again I’d never stoop to find out what toxic filth he spews on Twitter, so whatever. He’s lost at least some of his stage.
But yeah I worry more about Tesla becoming a “robotics” company. I do have one of their vehicles that I want to continue to be supported for its lifetime.
…. And I find teslas are still by far the most compelling EV available in the US. I know I’ll get all sorts of grief for saying this, but there’s nothing else available in the US at their feature, price, and dare I say, quality? Maybe that would be different if we allowed a competitive market, or had legacy companies who want to survive, but that’s reality. Maybe it will be different in a few years if Rivian makes it to the big leagues with the R2, or if Lucid survives, or Slate is able to make a splash.
As the only compelling American manufacturer of EVs,we can’t afford for them to lose focus trying to invent humanoid robotics.
…. This used to be one of the benefits of incorporating. Let Tesla focus on cars. If you want to try humanoid robots, that should be a different corporation Insulating Tesla from that attempt
He’s not out of politics, he’s just back to influencing and funding from the shadows. Further, tesla have to keep moving on to the next thing because elon’s not selling cars, he’s selling hopium. Tesla cars will not remain competitive against international rivals long term.
They aren’t even competitive short term. Look at what a new Tesla costs in comparison to an EV from BYD. And Tesla always had pretty shoddy QA.
That’s all before even counting the fact that if you buy a Tesla, you finance fascism.
Here they are:
Even Tesla, which saw its European sales skyrocket in the early months of this year, has watched its U.S. presence dwindle. (The backlash to Musk’s politics didn’t help.)
Being a footnote of failure among ineffective US policy and the big 3 setting themselves up for international disaster feels appropriate.
They deserve to be left out of the conversation. Nazi cunts
Definitely agree
I guess nazis need their EVs too
Cyberdumps were made just for them.
That was a blatant choice to back old fossil fuel money against alternative forms of energy. Nobody made trouble for them. They made trouble for themselves. It’ll always happen when you pray at the temple of capitalism.
One of the most hubristic miscalculations of the 20th century was the Western managerial class in the 1980s and 1990s assuming that globalization would permanently consign developing nations to the manufacturing of cheap plastic junk while domestic blue collar jobs were offshore.
The higher ups in Western corporations operated under the arrogant delusion that their own expertise would forever remain insulated from global competition. They fundamentally failed to foresee that the very countries they relegated to the bottom of the ladder would inevitably ascend the complexity and cognitive value chains.
The same market forces that the managerial class so eagerly unleashed upon others starting in the 1980s are now beginning to affect their own bottom line, and suddenly what was once championed as “optimization” and “the future” as they dismantled the livelihood of the working class, has become a crisis. It serves them right, how it bites back.
One of the most hubristic miscalculations of the 20th century was the Western managerial class in the 1980s and 1990s assuming that globalization would permanently consign developing nations to the manufacturing of cheap plastic junk while domestic blue collar jobs were offshore.
I don’t think it was a hubristic assumption so much as an engineered economic plan.
When you look at our history of sanction and regime change, the countries we love to target are the ones that won’t comply with this model. Doubly so, the ones we outright invade.
There just aren’t that many domestic automakers actually attempting the market the way China is. I think part of the reason for that is the adoption rate of American drivers of EV’s. Especially without the tax credits to subsidize the cost. The US is struggling to sell new cars and EV’s make up only 10% of new cars sold.
The US is struggling to sell new cars and EV’s make up only 10% of new cars sold.
I would love to buy an EV but a brand new car is too expensive and there’s not much in the way of reasonably priced, used EVs available so I’m currently sticking with the internal combustion engine.
I’m sticking with my ICE cars because they have buttons and switches and only a tiny screen and won’t be selling my data to my insurance company and aren’t SUVs.
Though I did put a deposit down on a Slate truck.
I have bad news for you about modern cars.
There’s a reason I don’t mind dumping thousands into two decade-plus-old cars.
Well, two. The other is that it’s still probably cheaper than buying something.
And what are the bad news?
Both China and EU are making certain physical switches a requirement; Due to the safety risk of ‘all is computer’
I put a deposit down too. Living somewhere kind of remote, I do worry about how far away a trained service shop will be. They’ll have less maintenance requirements for sure, but there will still be maintenance required.
FWIW, my local shop claim they can handle state Inspection, brakes, tires, and suspension work on my Tesla. The most likely to wear items are also more generic.
Of course an accident or some other breakdown is an entirely different story
One of the main reason a country’s government will subsidize or otherwise encourage green energy and EV adoption is as a geopolitical strategy to reduce dependence on oil, due to the fact that most oil-producing nations are deeply unstable for one reason or another. The USA’s problem is that it is one of those deeply unstable oil-producing nations, and so it wants to keep the renewables market suppressed and the oil and oil derivatives market boosted.
Here in Ireland we don’t have one jot of domestic oil production, so renewables are seen as a way to not be held hostage by the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune (and idiotically unnecessary wars in the Middle East, and idiotically random tariff wars) because we do have our own water, wind and sunshine. America doesn’t have that natural incentive to the same extent that we do.
Heck even oil producing European countries such as Scotland and Norway, considers renewable the future
Especially without the tax credits to subsidize the cost.
Too bad the US doesn’t have access to cheaper non-US made EVs.
Yep. Politics is part of the reason too. But only part of it. Most Americans can’t afford a new car even if it’s cheap. That’s why new car sales are so low. The tax credits helped a lot of people buy EV’s. Now that the current Admin has gotten rid of the credit people aren’t buying or leasing them but people can’t afford the pre-owned vehicles either.
So what I’m saying is, people can’t afford to buy used EV’s either.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a70020914/why-2026-will-be-a-great-time-to-buy-a-used-ev/
Just saying, but people not being able to afford a new vehicle is because of politics. Not Republican vs Democrat politics, but capitalist vs worker politics.
Yeah. I wasn’t clear. I meant like. Not due to car manufacturers lobbying against EV’s or tax credits etc to encourage people to by them/make them more affordable. That kind of thing. I wasn’t thinking about the socioeconomics of why people can’t afford cars.
Don’t forget all the infrastructure that goes with EVs and an additional cost to add charging to your home or even having your own house to plug them in.
This is largely an out of proportion concern. As long as you’re like most people and park your car at home overnight for 8+ hours a standard extension cord and outlet is sufficient. If you need rapid charging then your life follows an irregular schedule or you got the absolute largest battery for the largest SUV/truck available.
Totally.
I’m in a rental townhouse and only have a 110v standard outlet and it absolutely is enough is most cases.
I was determined to drive at least mostly electric even if it cost somewhat more and the best I could afford was an Outlander PHEV. So if I do have to do more in a day than the battery it just swaps to engine. Daily job commute and other household driving and we are still floating between 75-90% electric drive.
My wife wasn’t convinced in talking through it with her. However she had never driven either an EV or PHEV. I got her to drive a Kia EV9 and she loved how it felt but it was just too expensive and she still at that point felt like it was only a pure EV thing to drive like that.
Then we test drove the Outlander and she immediately wanted it. It is an electric first design and you can feel it.
In my opinion we should have been doing traditional hybrid and/or PHEV back in the late 80s. Built up the battery manufacturing and quality and be on full electric for basically all home use vehicles by now.
For heavy load and construction it should be bio diesel hybrids. Not that those are ideal either but still the best we can do in short term tech swap.
And then of course trains. More trains.
The outlanderss are nice. They use Nissan chassis with Mitsubishi drivtrain. They are well equipped. I drove an ionic5 which I think the ev6 is and they are awesome. I would like to have an ionic5 or 6 n.
If you have a parking space with a nearby power outlet, you can make do with that just fine.
If you don’t, yeah, that’s rough.
They’re not cheaper. They’re just being sold below cost for the express purpose of putting their competitors out of business.
My side does it: necessary and just subsidies in the national interest.
The other side does it: flooding the market with unfair subsidies!
Bad strawman. What situation are you even describing here and who is “my side” exactly, every automaker in the world that isn’t based in China?
There just aren’t that many domestic automakers actually attempting the market the way China is.
I don’t want to nor think we should try to compete with a country that employs slave labour.
Exploitative labour practices in China may have paid dividends for us westerners, but I don’t want to work the way they work.
Okay, but here’s what I mean. Ford decided at the end of 2025 to cut back on manufacturing and far scale back it’s plans for producing more electric versions of their vehicles. They did that because the demand for their EV’s isn’t there because the price point for them is ridiculous.
There’s a lot of EV’s sitting on dealer lots, so much so they were last I checked giving incentive programs to get employees to buy them.
That hasn’t got anything to do with China or BYD and everything to do with the fact that their cars arent selling because potential buyers don’t have money.
My comments had nothing at all to do with the labor practices of China.
There’s a lot of EV’s sitting on dealer lots….
And there’s one of the major problems; using the stealership model. Buying from Tesla or Rivian or Slate is/will be a breeze because it’s all online. No haggling with a stack of shit in a suit about cost or going somewhere to be told “we don’t sell the EV models here”.
Bitch, you’re a dealership. You sell cars.
Tesla’s sales are in the dumps too. Last I checked they were down 9%. Rivian’s sales were down to something like a 3 year low as of the beginning of this year. The fact is, the vehicles cost to much for the average American.
The State of California uses slaves to fight forest fires.
Have they tried CLOSING more EV Plants and DISCONTINUING More EV Models? That MIGHT help!
-CEOS!
Nah. When reelecting Trump, America acknowledged that our country will collapse with the oil industry. We’ll fight a war to preserve our hegemony over oil, and the resultant oil crisis will be the final straw that gets everybody else in the rest of the world that have money to buy a new vehicle committed to electrification.
It is the Iron Law of Institutions in macro scale. The oil industry and American car companies would rather see America suffer and lose its position in the world, than to help facilitate a transition to some other energy source that would threaten their own entrenched power.
When reelecting Trump, America acknowledged that our country will collapse with the oil industry.
If you look where Trump (really, any Republicans) win big, it’s inevitably an area with a big O&G footprint.
Of late, that’s shifted slightly to Tech Data Centers. But the nature of lucrative extractionary industry is that it gives you a ton of money to pay one half of the working class to restrain and abuse the other half.
It is the Iron Law of Institutions in macro scale. The oil industry and American car companies would rather see America suffer and lose its position in the world, than to help facilitate a transition to some other energy source that would threaten their own entrenched power.
My dad worked for Exxon. He used to joke that they had a big switch in the back of the HQ that read “Green Energy”. And as soon as fossil fuels stopped being profitable, they’d flip it and become a solar/wind giant overnight.
He died back in the 90s, so he never got to see the big milestones. But if you ever look up T. Boone Pickens, this oil billionaire was saying very much the same thing in the late '00s. Natural gas is temporary. Wind is where the real infinite money machine lives.
And now my own state of Texas leads the county in wind production and runs a tight second to California on solar.
So much of this is absolutely already happening. And it’s being financed by the same folks who said it was impossible twenty years ago.
Oh no! Is it time for the auto industry to collapse, get 81 billion dollars, change nothing, and berate the American consumer for being too poor to buy their cars that now cost twice as much for no specific reason other than capitalism again?
After getting that $88 billion bailout They’ll bring back sedans and start researching EVs…for about 4 years and switch back to gas guzzling jacked up overcompensating trucks for the men and big suburbans/yukons for the moms who pay more attention to their phones than the road.
Rinse repeat
they’ll bring back sedans
Dodge: here’s your Dart
Chevy: here’s another Cobalt clone that uses a worse motor
Ford: We’ll make any Sedan you want as long as it’s a Mustang and not a sedan
“th-thanks…” 😕
It sure as hell isn’t time to ride the bus or build a train. So I guess we’re doing your thing.
Noice. Schedule another for 2041?
That’s optimistic, better pencil in 2029
I’ll hold the date, thank you.
public transportation is pretty lacking in teh us, even “funded blue area” they are usually neglected too.
I’m guessing a big part of the problem isn’t even the Tesla politics or the right-wing perception of EVs… it’s probably close to 100% cost. They’re expensive AF and everyone in America is poor. Most EVs are touted as a luxury ordeal with luxury prices. China can do cheap EVs, but that doesn’t work with American business’s demand for profit margin.
Maybe it’s time the corporations go through some austerity measures?
problem isn’t even the Tesla politics … Most EVs are touted as a luxury ordeal with luxury prices.
That is Tesla politics. Tesla specifically wanted to build a luxury, very complicated machine as their first EV. While Chinese automakers did the opposite, they began small with less complicated machines (hey smaller battery for smaller weight) and then built more complex and luxury models on top of that base
Think of it like Kodak with digital cameras. Even knowing the market is being disrupted, even having the technology, there is never a short term reason for self disruption. If the company can’t consider the longer term while a market is being disrupted, they will not survive. Of course selling a couple thousand EVs is not going to earn back the cost of entirely new factories and supply chains after two years. Duh. Of course it’s easier to sell hundreds of thousands of legacy vehicles built in legacy factories that are already paid for using supply chains that already exist. But one of those approaches is on a decline to the grave while the other is a paradigm shift for the entire global industry
Doesn’t help the US is so anti-competitive, so protectionist, so many policies favoring excessively large inefficient vehicles. By the time we emerge from this smog of political chaos, legacy American car companies will no longer be able to survive independently nor compete globally.
But the car companies certainly lay deserve a lot of blame- across the entire car market preferring to sell fewer more expensive vehicles, rather than more vehicle that are more affordable.
Chinese businesses also demand profit margin, they just don’t have worker’s unions or a minimum wage.
Lmao China has both minimum wage and worker’s unions (literally the CPC can be considered one giant worker’s union).
The real reason things are so cheap in China is that it has spent the last 50 years building its productive capacity specifically so that commodities can be affordable for everyone, and everyone has a job that will allow them to afford that. The US, on the other hand has spent the same period ensuring the entire economy works to enrich a few people at the cost of everyone else.
Lmao China has both minimum wage
No, there is no federal minimum wage in China, and the provincial ones are lower than any western country.
and worker’s unions (literally the CPC can be considered one giant worker’s union).
Sure, in the sense that they also have a “democracy” where only one party is allowed. If you believe their propaganda, I have a bridge to sell you.
The real reason things are so cheap in China is that it has spent the last 50 years building its productive capacity
You mean because western capitalists have spent the last 50 years building its productive capacity.
Do you really think they’re going to let the people have any control of that?
ensuring the entire economy works to enrich a few people at the cost of everyone else.
And China copied that and took it to the extreme. Why do you believe their propaganda so easily? Are you Chinese?
Not in America they’re not.
Which fucking sucks! The selection of electric cars on sale in America is terrible!
I thought I just read an article about how they were making and “selling” all these cars only to junk a lot of them. I guess it doesn’t matter if they are driven after they are sold as long as they are sold? Are these cars going directly to the scrap heap an amazing feat of technology for China, who also builds cities no one is allowed to live in? This is the future?
You got a source to back up your extraordinary claim?
I was a bit mistaken, it was about prototype cars. Anyways, anyone cheering for the Chinese EV industry should know exactly what they are cheering for https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2023-china-ev-graveyards/
I’m not on anyone’s side but the earth’s
I was a bit mistaken
Weird way of putting “I was completely wrong”
No, they’re not.
Next idiotic question?
Good bot.
Cretin.
plonk, as we used to say in the good old days.
Lol, some mouth on you.
Don’t forget union busting and a general failure to pay workers enough to afford their products. Billionaires’ greed always fucks us over.
End of the day, I can’t afford a new car no matter who makes it. $30,000 for a DRM’ed shitbox that will shut itself down if I’m 30 minutes late on a payment? No, thanks.
Seriously. I keep telling my dudes to hold onto their 2005-15 models. Good safety tech, maybe a Bluetooth audio connection and no fucking microphones or cameras.
As it stands I’ll just keep my 2012 bmw 128 running forever. It’s paid off, fun, and has never given me a problem.
I love my 2011 Honda CRZ. It’s like a Prius if driving a Prius didn’t make you want to harm yourself or others.
Some of those are even manual, which always seemed so bizarre yet cool!
Mine is like semi-manual or something? I can change from automatic to manual basically.
…I still havent learned how to actually use the manual driving BUT I COULD SOMEDAY
There is a legitimate reason to not want Chinese government subsidized cars to undercut American auto makers, but it’s also correct to say that American automakers can’t compete with Chinese automakers right now even if they were in a similar cost footing.
It’s hard to feel bad when GM intentionally killed electrics back in the 90s, the ship where America leads the world in EV production may have already sailed then. We may yet see the American auto industry have its Kodak moment.
We’ve tried nothing and we are all out of ideas
Can you give me that legitimate reason beyond hurting poor Ford Chevy and GM’s pockets?
Ford and GM are only a fraction of the auto industry in the US. The majority of sales are foreign brands, but none of them can compete as companies against the entire nation of China and its willingness to put them all out of business and takeover said auto industry. They own the mines, materials, and labor and have bottomless pockets to subsidize their vehicles and dell them well below cost.
How is any company supposed to compete against that?
Make better products?
Like every car from not China sucks hard, but they keep going on about prices.
None of them ever tried to make good cars.
Then yoy can get comparatively better cars for much cheaper? It’s not like you have much of a choice.
Lol this is a very naive, internet-brained take. Have you actually driven all these cars along with their Chinese counterparts? What makes every non-Chinese car suck so badly exactly? Is it because they’re not selling $60k cars for $15k?
Who wants 60k car full of surveillance and badly designed tech?
Slate had the right idea, but Bezos is involved, so we will see.
But every major brand has lost the plot a decade ago, they all took massive amounts of money from government and did fuck all with it and gobbled each other up. Now they act shocked that people prefer anything other than the 6 brands that remained.
I agree that Slate has an interesting idea but they have an uphill battle with the marketing. Unfortunately, the US, to a great extent, particularly the rural US, sees electric cars as being “more tech”, which they equate with more frustration. Naturally EVs actually could likely have simpler computer systems than ICE cars, but, for instance Tesla chose to slap a huge iPad in their cars when consumers want dials.
For all the technical superiority of EVs, it’s hard to convince the average person that they should drive a novel looking “high-tech” vehicle, when a Toyota Camry is an easily available, affordable option. Most people with F150s don’t need them, they want them. Slate isn’t competing for those people, it’s competing for the people who buy Impreza’s, Corollas, and Camrys. I’m not sure it’ll work out.
For an industrial on-site work truck for running errands, I’d bet they sell like hot cakes, but that’s a much smaller market.
By maybe not massively inflating the price of their cars and manufacturing their vehicles closer to local markets? Like idk what to tell you, it just sounds like youre mad because china is better at capitalism lol
How much should these cars be selling for then? Can you give me a breakdown with your expert knowledge? Can you also explain why it is that every automaker in the world outside of China is participating in this alleged price fixing scheme rather than undercutting each other?
How many cars are being built far outside their local markets? What ones specifically? How much is this adding to the cost of these vehicles?
Let’s see some actual facts.
For starters the 300,000+ people employed by those two companies (Chevy is GM). Perhaps you meant to include Stellantis (Chrysler) which would make that number closer to 600,000 people. The auto industry was a big driver of the 2008 crash.
That’s before we even start to get into the issues stemming from a Chinese monopoly on the auto industry. What happens if American, Japanese, and European auto makers go out of business and then China stops the subsidies? We will literally be in the same situation we are now but with money going to China instead of paying domestic workers.
America’s somehow STILL in the fucking around phase.
So what.
Protecting them from china and bailing them out multiple times hasn’t done anything.
It’s almost like poorly run businesses SHOULD FAIL.
Are we a free market capitalist society or not?
Yes, and? They’ve been propped up by the USA govt for decades. If they can’t compete with China or Japan, that’s their own damned fault.
Idk, as I said before sounds like everyone Big Mad because China is better at capitalism than the west. We could easily sell vehicles for cheaper costs by producing closer to local markets and making simpler cars. But then the corps wouldn’t keep their over inflated stock prices.
I agree, western automakers could easily lower prices.
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Get rid of unions
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Lower wages in auto manufacturing AND every industry in the supply chain (mining, etc).
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Every country that manufactures cars needs to mine and produce its own materials (may need to create more humans to work these industries)
The engineers and designers at BYD make less money than assembly line workers in Germany or the US.
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From your lips to Milton Friedman’s ears…
It’s nuts how the phrase “Kodak moment” has changed.
There’s no reason to be protective over the auto industry. The years where auto plants could transition to weapons fabrication are over; the manufacturing process has become specialized to chase efficiency. If anything, it’s justice should American car brands go out of business, because they were subsidized and propped up time and time again and stole the money given to them to afford innovation. Most recently in 2010, when American cars lost in the marketplace because they didn’t match hybrid efficiency, they simply did not meet or exceed their competition. Instead, they sat on their asses, took the bailouts, and the Japanese sold better cars. Now, Japanese cars are losing to Chinese cars, while still maintaining superiority over American cars.
Anecdotally, the newest gen Ford Bronco, Explorer, and F150 ICE cars are terrible. I got to daily drive all of them while my Lightning was in the shop for repairs because they couldn’t loan an EV. Those cars were noisy, slow, awfully designed interiors, inefficient, and just plain cost more than the competition.
America has a toxic masculinity problem. Americans keep buying giant trucks and SUV and Jeeps. GM did put out some legit hybrids and EVs like Volt, Bolt EV, EUVs. But didn’t sell enough. So we are stuck with shitty gas guzzling cars that keeps getting bigger and bigger.
America has a toxic masculinity problem.
Yeah the “manly dude” starter pack’s cornerstone is a f-150 or silverado. It’s just a baseline requirement.
Also though, mom has to have a canyonero to get groceries and shuttle the kids because “mama bear needs to keep her kids safe from all those giant cars out there”.
I don’t even drive anymore, but I hate the American insistence on BIG vehicles. I loved my Prius, Prius V and Civics. They were all great cars. My kids have an older Fit and it’s a fantastic little car. If only it came in electric!! Or was sold at ALL in the USA, ffs
American vehicles are way too big even by my standards, but the cars you listed, I would have a hard time getting into or out of the rear seat. Gotta be at least mid-size and up for me.
Same in Germany. Took the money, took subsidies and did nothing to innovate. Now they earn to get out of business (but we’re fucked since the state owns some of it and made us dependant).
That is not entirely true. The new VW ID.Polo is a very nice new compact EV for a reasonable price for example.
If I were in Germany, I’d buy a Chinese car without even thinking about it.
Do you remember how vw betrayed us and the environment? You might argue everyone did that, which is true. Does not make it better though.
Too little too late.
I remember that very well. Doesn’t change anything about the ID.Polo being a great car for a competitive price tag. Chinese cars in Europe aren’t much better priced.
Fair point, I can agree on different opinion here. For me with that VW is not a company I will do any (direct) business with, as in deal breaker. In contrast to the US we also have not been reimbursed any loss (which I coincidentally directly had, selling a diesel).
Does it really matter? Won’t the government just block all Chinese vehicles from being sold here so carmakers in this country don’t have to compete?
True but nobody can afford to buy American vehicles so it’s hurting the companies since they can’t sell anything
40-60k for a new EV, that may have some kinks as well.
Still doesn’t help with the fact that not a single person outside the US will buy a Tesla or a Ford.
Sooner or later Americans will stumble onto TikToks and see how cool BYDs or Beijings are, and they’ll wonder why their Chevrolet is a piece of shit.
The iron curtain only gets you so far when the internet exists. And when a government is too incompetent to even try to censor it.
Sadly Tesla is still 6% of the EV market in Europe (apparently because of inclusion in Uber Black and UberXL)
Ugh ffs why would anyone use Uber anyway when we have Bolt and I’m assuming some other services (but Bolt is the main one here since it’s an Estonian company and I’m Estonian)
I’m pretty sure there are even more Teslas in Bolt than in Uber. In my country most Tesla taxis are actually Bolts. Bolt in general seems to have more expensive cars than Uber, from what I’ve seen.
A lot of drivers had the idea of taking a loan for a Tesla, then paying it from driving for Uber/Bolt. Not sure how it’s going for the Uber ones with Uber’s declining driver rates.
Tesla stores are pretty common in China. They still buy the Tony Stark tech genius businessman schtick.
Tesla sales have been falling pretty badly in China for a few years now, ever since Chinese companies improved their cars. However, it looks like it had a good couple months at the beginning of 2026. I’d still expect Tesla China to go out of business in a few years.
For anyone interested:
There are more US auto workers working for foreign-owned companies than there are for American-owned companies. Eventually the Chinese EV companies will follow the path of Honda, Totota, etc. and just start opening factories in the US. Tariffs don’t apply to US-built cars.
american ones are pretty crappy, and alot of them are built in mexico anyways.
Well yeah. It’s hard to compete with a country with no minimum wage or labour protections. And no worker’s unions, they’re literally illegal. It’s a capitalist paradise. They’re either going to move their manufacturing to China, or turn America into it.
China has both minimum wage (https://www.china-payroll.com/2026/01/09/china-updates-minimum-wage-standards-across-multiple-provinces-2025-overview/) and worker’s unions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_relations_in_China). The All-China Federation of Trade Unions is the largest union in the world.
China has both minimum wage (https://www.china-payroll.com/2026/01/09/china-updates-minimum-wage-standards-across-multiple-provinces-2025-overview/)
China has no federal minimum wage. And what cities and provinces do have one, it’s way lower than anything in the west. Your own article confirms this, although I’d like a more reliable source than “china-payroll”.
and worker’s unions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_relations_in_China). The All-China Federation of Trade Unions is the largest union in the world.
Did you even read the article you posted?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_relations_in_China#Slave_labor
The people do not own or control this “worker’s union” any more than they have a say in what happens in the Party.
Do you also believe America is a functioning democracy? Because if you believe these country’s propaganda lines, I have some stuff to sell you.
Because the US famously has great labor protection and livable minimum wage and no slave labor.
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The auto industry collapsed a long time ago and they stopped listening to consumers about the same time. Now only foreign cars are manufactured in the US.
