I know we have our complaints about the browser, but I liked this one :)
Some money for Laina. Nice!
I see Laina, I updoot. I see praise or well-wishing for Laina, I updoot.
Great ad! But here I am on Chrome and Edge with zero adverts, even on YouTube. (I know, tracking is a thing.)
I don’t even know how I killed YT adverts. My Pihole?
The internet I loved was a library. The internet now is a store.
And you’re the product
You’re the ATM card.
Firefox is pretty great, but I prefer privacy and security by default, which is why I run librewolf only over VPN. I could go TOR, but man that’s a pain.
And Firefox has a cousin called Librewolf that you can check out for more privacy.
I like the way Tay Zonday moved away from the mic (to breathe in).
Omg, shoes
Let’s party
Tay Zonday and Overly Attached Girlfriend haven’t aged a day.
That’s because they’re magic and wonderful and are being protected at all costs.
I have to keep a version of Chrome around because Firefox refuses to support or won’t support web USB. But other than that my daily driver is Zen. Firefox based. And I wouldn’t trade it.
Why… Why would you?
I mean rhetorical, but god why. I want many layers between me and any internet browser.
Not OP, but it’s insanely useful for microcontroller stuff
Was part of a team who created an esp32 based gadget for “regular” people at a convention, and it was super easy to set up a website that reflashed the device if they wanted to change something or messed something up
No need for users to install weird sdks, tool chains or using a terminal
This. I have installed wled via espressifs ide and tools. It’s disable. A lot more work.
I’m all for the isolation and such. It absolutely shouldn’t be avalible to just any website. But comparatively it’s way easier.
basically same here
Yes Firefox has pretty much been my daily driver since before it was called Firefox. And the UI overhaul in zen definitely elevates it. I wish the Mozilla Foundation was less focused on AI and advertisement bullshit and more focused on things like UI improvements or web USB support etc. The underlying engine is pretty decent. But it’s the foundations behavior that really makes it not viable for a lot of people.
same here & couldn’t agree more
HDR still not added unless you’re a Mac user, stereo audio only.
Good to know as well. I don’t have a use case myself so I never bumped into it.
I do this too, but I can very much respect the decision not to support any kind of hardware-level access from a web browser.
To an extent sure. But if their adding some ai MCP server to the browser etc. It’s going to be way more dangerous. So for me at least of kind of a wash.
never
How do you do fellow
kidsadults?I’ve been ride or die with FF since before Chrome was a thing. I keep Vivaldi installed for a few things, but FF is my daily driver.
I know that Mozilla has made some decisions that I don’t agree with, but the Internet would be worse off without FF.
Try waterfox.
Same even on Android. If a site doesn’t work well with FF, Vivaldi usually works. Vivaldi is also better for PWAs.
PWAs
Poles With Attitudes?
Progressive Web App, basically a webpage built with html/css/js/etc but designed to act more as an application.
Precious Worcester Ants
I’d prefer less ads, less budget for the CEO and less shady AI and crap opted in by default.
Waterfox is right there
And libre wolf!
Waterfox didn’t come out of thin air, though. It still needs Firefox to provide an updated browser code so they can do their changes. I doubt they could handle a full browser standalone on their own.
Oh yeah. But, they rip out all the ai. I’ll stick with that until Firefox makes it impossible (which they almost certainly will).
I’ll move on after that.
An LLM in my browser is completely unnecessary and actively useless
true and I agree to all of that, but this ad is actually nice.
I also think some outreach is important, especially if they can get that through memes instead of paying Facebook/Google.
Having more people using Firefox instead of Google chrome is a good thing. If nothing else, websites will have more of an incentive to make sure websites work on non-chromium browsers.
And hey, if a few of those new users donate to the project, they can be less reliant on Google and sponsored content
Sorry can’t do 80% of my revenue is from Google
How about no AI and crap opted-in by default? Seriously, Vivaldi is great for my needs, and I haven’t had any problems using ublock origin and other ad blocking extensions with it.
I like Vivaldi, but in my experience, LibreWolf is even better at blocking some of the worst ads.
But does YouTube work with it?
Yup
Mozilla is just enshiitifing on a different schedule than the rest, they will end up in the same place at the end. there are lots of pre-enshittifiaction firefox forks that are much better. Try one of those instead.
I’m using one of those, it still depends on Firefox being around
No not really, once it’s been forked the original can die and the forks will be just fine.
That’s true for a hard fork, not a downstream fork
Most of these other browsers are downstream forks. I’m not aware of any popular/reputable hard forks of Firefox
The forks will not be just fine because they’re dependent on Mozilla for the new features and highly important security updates.
Oh yeah? Because famously netscape navigator is still around for firefox to get all of their features and security updates from.
Oh thats right it’s not.
Forks and downstream are very different. Showing your ass here.
That may be true but librewolf, waterfox, zen, ironfox, etc don’t have large companies with funding from google to push out features and security updates as fast as possible. Meaning that if Mozilla goes down, then all those forks go down with it unless they can find lots of contributors and funding.
The Internet you loved is still here.
No it isn’t. The internet I loved is long-since dead. This is the same shit internet. Firefox doesn’t magically bring you to a wondrous new world of memes, and sites can still collect enough data on your device usage to build massive advertising profiles for you, despite what one may have convinced themselves of with a plethora of extensions. Also feels weird calling out browsers with built-in AI, considering the CEO’s dreams to integrate AI even deeper into Firefox.
It’s a cute ad, but the core messaging is flawed.
While Firefox alone doesn’t transport you to that internet, I think the point is that browsers like Firefox are one of the pieces that makes up that older experience. Fediverse being another, I would say a lot of us are here because we remember this style of social media.
They have improved the intentionality of the AI features, I wish they had it opt-out and easily configurable from the start. I moved to Zen a while back (which still relies on Firefox pushing out updates)
