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we’ve seen no kings 1 & 2 change diddly squat, so obviously we’ll do the same thing a third time with the high hopes that nothing will change too!
Guy that is attending the useless no kings protest
You want actual change? Look at Europe on how to protest. I’m sorry for you Americans, but you got yourself in this, you gotta dig yourself out. Trump will NOT care about the o kings protest, and it’ll fade from the news within two days tops. It. Is. Not. Enough.
Protest 24/7 for months on end until the fucker is gone
Have strikes everywhere, indeed, because that it the only way you’ll get his attention and get this administration to understand that it’s over
It’s not even about how you protest, it’s about what you use protests for. You can have the best protest ever, longest strike imaginable, whatever. If you don’t have the organisation to have coherent changes and then act upon them, nothing matters. No kings, huh? What if by a stroke of magic, Trump gets scared of your rally and tries to appease the public or whatever. What’s the terms? No kings. Well, he’s not a king, he’s the president. Problem solved, continue as you were.
Yes, let’s look at Europe.
The USA is comparable to all of the EU in size, much larger than France, UK, Germany, etc. combined.
Has all of the EU ever been able to organize? France is smaller than California, one US state out of 50.
I’m sorry for you Europeans, but why do you keep supporting and enabling the USA? You continue to finance the very war machine that oppresses you (and us). Stop buying US products and stop using the US Dollar for international trade.
Go on strike yourselves and boycott, you are the experts eh? But you won’t bother, you will continue to provide our government with billions while saying “pity that”… and then complain when the USAs boot is on your neck.
Re people from the USA… MLK and peace only did so much. We need less peaceful MLK protest and more Black Panthers-style protesting. Peaceful protests are worthless alone
Has all of the EU ever been able to organize? France is smaller than California, one US state out of 50.
No, but you can’t compare the EU to the US that way. We’re not EU citizens in our minds. We’re French, Germans, Polish etc. There’s very few cases where we have such a need to protest together. We don’t view ourselves as the EU people (most of us at least). And yes there were protests here today too.
And yeah the French basically invented protesting. Hardly a day goes by that some union isn’t on strike there :) They invented the yellow vests too.
Go on strike yourselves and boycott, you are the experts eh?
If you’re talking about the French then yes I would consider them the experts for sure 🤭
Stop buying US products and stop using the US Dollar for international trade.
This is in fact exactly what is happening here. It’s a slow start but big ships need time to turn. Once they’re turned however the momentum is great. There’s lots of websites with recommendations for EU alternatives, and lots of people and businesses are making plans. It’s a growing movement.
It’s very easy to say but you need to understand there are no labor protections in the US. Any protest during work hours result in termination.
Then get fired, all of you.
A company can’t fire all their employees, just go all protest
They only have to fire a few and the rest will fall in line quickly. This is why retail workers don’t have unions.
Everyone is stuck in the consumer/labor loop. One missed check is all it takes to send you to the poverty hole. Even more challenging if you have kids.
I support general strike. But I understand why people aren’t ready to do it yet. Until starving is less scary than the alternative, it’s going to be hard for them to risk that.
also known as striking.
Why does a general strike have to be organized? All folks have to do is stop buying things or spending money as much as possible. The fucking country would grind to a halt. The amount of shit that we buy that we dont need is staggering… Probably daily you buy something (likely multiple things) that you dont need. And here’a the thing: you have to be ready to suffer. No change will come to us if we continue to prioritize comfort and convenience.
And if you have to go to work, do the bare minimum to stay employed. Some may say to actively sabotage, but i wouldnt say that or think it, so you should not actively sabotage the company you work at.
A general strike for one-day is silly. Any company can weather one day.
Why does a general strike have to be organized?
Because we have like, 350 million people here, and if it’s not organized, you just have a tiny insignificant percentage buying less and the economy doesn’t even notice.
If “buy less stuff” was all it took, well… I’ve been doing that for years, so why isn’t the problem solved yet? It’s because the vast majority of people aren’t. It needs an organized effort to get the word out, and to make people who otherwise wouldn’t engage understand the potential impact, and how to realize that.
There’s also the problem where a prolonged general strike would mean a huge number of people would lose their health care and wouldn’t be able to pay rent or buy food and that’s simply not sustainable. I’m not sure how to overcome that problem, and so far nobody else seems to, either.
no kings has no leverage and no power and no stamina and no guts. are the police attacking them in the streets? i personaly see these kind of protests as controlled off gassing. you have a large amount of people who would under other circumstances be pushed into actual action, thinking they make a difference doing this, allowing the system to functionally ignore them.
without the media on your side these protests do not work. and the media is captured, and neither side wants to see this stop
Are you recruiting there for an org that wants to do something that matters?
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/40568556
Or are you gonna let the Liberals get all the photo ops?
‘actual action’ beyond protest tends to get nasty quickly. I’m glad the left wing isn’t lowering themselves to the level of, say, the capitol attacks.
The just way will take longer but it’s the only way to effect real change.
A strike would be a good middle ground though.
you say it will “takes longer” as things have been getting worse not better is a weird stance. these protests have been unsuccessful in their goals, not having a goal was the first failure. and there is a lot that can be done before the need to storm the capitol. but you are already poised to reject anything beyond protest. so you are in reality happy with the status quo
I’m not happy though I’m not directly involved as I’m not American (though I am affected of course). But there’s a limit to what you can expect here. The MAGA’s are a cult, protesting won’t touch their hard core and pushing them harder will cause escalation.
The only way these walls will come down is talking, not fighting. And they’re burning up inside now with this Iran war that’s deeply unpopular even with MAGA. Unfortunately they did manage their goal of making everyone forget the word Epstein though 😔
By protesting and being reasonable you chip away at their fringes, the people that are kinda on the fence. Anyway that’s my take.
And like I said, strikes are a good idea too, anything non violent really.
incorrect. reasoning with a cult does not work. protesting will not effect their decisions in the slightest, and worrying about escalation has always been a moot point. they manufacture escalation at their pace. they do not need a reason. but forcing escalation it’s the point. the iranians have been more effective at changing the heart of magats by making life for magats directly harder. not a single protest has changed their mind. and so in order for this to stop, life has to start getting harder for everyone.
And are you actively organizing to change that? Or are you just providing an example of OP?
are you?
Yes. I’m a member of a number of local mutual aid orgs and other groups that I started working more closely with after my home state was invaded by ICE.
if that is true, then you should know better.
what concrete things have the no kings protests achieve?
If you’re writing off all liberals then your view makes sense. At our no kings the Brown Berets showed up to protect those you are spurning. Many years ago I attended a UFW march that was also protected by the Brown Berets and it shocked an out of town liberal white woman who compared the union march to the Nazis. These people tend to only see aesthetics so the march is a good opportunity to make unusual alliances. That’s the concrete achievement of my local Marxist-lennist org, but that probably doesn’t make sense to the terminally online.
here’s my comment from yesterday about this:
plus this is the perfect opportunity to organize to go literally talk to them. if not us, fascism will find a way to, like we’ve seen in the past so often. not all of these people are militant irreducible libs.
your condescending tone is definetly not convincing anyone.
I think liberals doing trust exercises with marxists and others from different political leanings is the effective part.
The person online has more visuality than he who is not.
This is a pretty valid thing to say in the US.
Too many people think that just protesting is enough for any change they want to be effected. We don’t get taught about things like labor struggles.
Being part of march is already more than what many people would do. Seen too many times after the whole CEO execution last year people saying shit like “oh won’t somebody step up and do something”, “somebody should really try and change the system”, or “I would totally support someone stepping up”.
Buddy, that someone better be you. If not, be quiet.
- Sincerely, a union representative of my workplace.
To be fair the people vote for leaders who are supposed to show them the way forward we don’t have that for the most part.
Honestly we have no good community leaders at all (for white leftists), they are bad at organizing, they are bad at messaging, they seem to always want to take over and grift money, it’s always get out and march (if you can… that’s ok if you can’t) meanwhile the other side organized an attempted fucking coup.
Like we need someone at Obamas level saying don’t pay federal taxes while they deny your rights and plunge us into war and march on DC/mara lago and here’s the address to the homes they stole from top military brass would be a shame to bother them.
And maybe a little “HEY THEY FUCKING SHOT YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS, VOTE FOR ME AND I’LL MAKE SURE THEY ALL GO TO FUCKING JAIL!” would be a nice fucking start or even a little acknowledgement the election was fucking stolen.
First thing you need to do is make America a representative democracy. Throw that first past the post bullshit in the trash.
Then maybe the electoral collage.
Then maybe gerrymandering illegal.
The way your system works is all sorts of fucked up. And it’s fine for us here in Europe if it didn’t effect us, but the tribalistic thinking of “left vs right” without any gradient or nuance is starting to effect us over here too.
The problem is that even doing that isn’t simple. Both parties are captured by and cater to capital’s interests. The Democratic Party and the Republican Party both have 0 interest in changing away from first past the post because first past the post gets them elected and in power. It’s incredibly difficult to get anyone elected that is outside of either of those two parties because they will do everything in their power to challenge it. We’ve seen this most recently in the 2024 elections when the Dems were challenging Green Party candidates’ rights to even be on the ballot by taking them to court to contest their signatures and other procedural challenges. The Greens don’t have the pocket book to handle lawsuits, so this can effectively kill any local and bottom up candidate initiatives. It takes time to contend with these structures, which is why we’re just now seeing gains being made by Democratic Socialists like Mamdani in NYC. His election required years of organizing on the DSA’s part to build a party structure in NYC. Sometimes their best route to office has been through the Democratic party itself, like Mamdani, which comes with its own issues as well.
A union rep. So you only protect certain people, and only if they pay? We need to get rid of that divisive union bullshit as well and level the playing field for all workers.
Okay, let’s make everyone unionized then. The other direction is bad, very fucking bad.
Haha ha hahaha ha.
No.
A rising tide lifts all boats. When negotiating pay raises, better parental leave, pensions, vacation days, overtime, the results don’t merely apply to union members. They apply to everyone.
To manage all the paperwork the union employs full-time office workers. Who pays their salaries?
If a company starts throwing some shit that needs to be taken to labour court, who pays for the lawyers?
What about when a strike is necessary? Where does the money on the warchest come from?
How can the union cover unemployment benefits when people get laid off?
You sound just like the Marx textbook I read back in the 70’s. Even the trite, popular phrases. It’s no laughing matter though. People are dying and suffering all over and all you can talk about is meaningless money of questionable value. A guy once shoveled my snow for me and didn’t charge me anything. He did it to feel a part of the community. How does that fit into your money calculations? It’s a human/ecological issue, not a fiscal one. You can look down and laugh at us from your protected collective perch however. Have fun!
You sound just like the Marx textbook…
Almost like that movement was a result of overbearing oligarchs literally working people to death.
Must be a funny coincidence.
How does that fit into your money calculations?
Doing someone a favour is all fine and dandy, but favours don’t pay for lawyers when you’re going up against a corporate entity.
How does shovelling snow for you neighbour fit into that?
You can look down and laugh at us from your protected collective perch however.
The only reason I’d look down on you is because you’re somehow, unironocally, using “collective power” as a bad thing.
As I said previously; a rising tide lifts all boats, and when I sit at the negotiating table I’m not merely demanding special perks for union members. I represent the needs of the entire work environment.
The No Kings Marches are just a prelude. Imagine all those millions of people participation in the upcoming general strike . Then imagine those millions turning to violence. Imagine them armed.
Just a suggestion, but becoming armed before becoming violent might be a better order of progression.
LOL what country do you think this is? “Becoming armed”? Bro this is America.
except the ones who have traditionally fought against the right to bear arms is the same people protesting. they need to be armed, and they need to protest with their arms, same reason a government will parade with their weapons
Bro this is America
yes, and my point still stands
You didn’t get the reference. I don’t think you picked up what I was putting down.
oh, the music video. that’s a whole ball of critique against the american system, and gun culture. but it still is what it is
Lol, good point, but I was speaking more in a general sense, not just this country.
That might be the more logical progression, but logic rarely comes into play in these things.
In fact, being armed before it’s time for violence is often a bad thing.
But when it is time, anything at hand can be a weapon.
Paris housewives once marched on Versailles and decapitated several guards with kitchen knives after they opened fire on the crowd.
You can make nearly anything into a weapon or a musical instrument. Remember that, and you’ll always be safe, and entertained.
A primary exception is the marshmallow. Pretty much useless for either.
Someone’s never forced 20 marshmallows down someone’s throat and it shows
you know, the americans are always going on about their 2A rights, but i don’t see them overthrowing tyranny when it’s present.
Oh yeah, lets argue amongst ourselves. That always works.
Wishing for a general strike exactly to happen on May1 2026 does not in fact constitute planing there of.
Now all managers of all companies will be forced to stop using the word " planning " or risk being in some investigation.
Manager: I will pla…no no, organiz… No no…hey, can y’all just be here for the staff meeting on Monday?
I want to see bloody filled rebellion with dead elites bodies being pissed on.
Yes please?
Well, get on it then, instead of erping in comment sections.
I’m not going to be first in line to start doing something that actually fucking matters, but you bet your ass I’ll be third.
protests and direct action present an opportunity for everyone to go at once. it’s just up to you guys to take it.
and will not participate in one
Your wallet is your strongest voice in the eyes of this administration. Think carefully about where you spend your hard earned money.
A single day of avoiding Walmart and Amazon is not meaningful if you give them your money tomorrow. Find local businesses that deserve your money and spend your money with them instead.
Buy less and buy better quality items that last longer. Reduce consumerism and give homemade gifts or experiences instead of more junk nobody needs. Use lending libraries, swap groups, and other methods to reduce your contribution to the economy, which is frankly the only thing the American government really is interested in.
And hats off to the person who successfully organizes a general strike. I’m cheering you on from Canada.
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The first comment / response or whatever that I read in there does a better job of expressing my opinion on this than I ever could.
“It’s building the muscle. You have to get someone to show up one day before you can get them to show up often, or every day, or for the long haul.”
Really the same goes for so many of the organizations running the events. They’re local orgs, local people with different levels of experience (mostly very little) with organizing at this scale. It takes practice and time to get good at these things. It takes time to find volunteers and train them.
Contrary to what some of the comments implied, most of these events aren’t planned/operated by paid professionals, not that paying for professional help is inherently a bad thing anyway. There’s top-level guidance and coordination, that kind of stuff generally requires dedicated teams (aka paid employees) due to the time and skill requirements for those roles. But on the local level, it’s volunteers all around. And the real planning, the hard work, is virtually all done locally by those volunteers.
i don’t agree at all. the reason is that the people who go to these will argue that they are making a difference and fight against what comes next.
these are not even having the police interfere so you know no one cares at all. school children have a walk out criticizing israel? police show up with chemical weapons and shoots people point blank with less the lethal rounds. go to a no kings and police is directing traffic.
no these protests are a distraction to make people think that nothing more has to be done, and they did their part.
and then on tv the largest mass protest in history is a foot note to trumps birthday party. so no.
