Would they feel any pain or suffering if you shut the simulation down? If not, which seems like the intuitive answer, then it is ethical.
Killing people in a traditional sense is unethical because you inevitably subject them to suffering agony. Also, the killed one won’t be your only victim, as any people related to them would be subjected to psychological trauma.
Whether plugging off simulated consciousnesses is moral is another question tho.
Number one tell no one, number 2…
Play Expedition 33 and let us know what you picked and why.
Oh is that what it’s about. I thought it was the horror game or something. The advertising for it was so ambiguous I never really looked into it
It’s hard to describe what it’s about without spoiling it, because the mystery of that universe is part of what draws you in. In a way, the comment you replied to is a major spoiler since you don’t
spoiler
find out you’re in a “simulation” until near the end of the game.
But it’s an incredible game that I recommend to any JRPG fan.
or SOMA
One of the Minds in Ian M Banks’ last novel, The Hydrogen Sonata, faces and addresses exactly this problem. Much is at stake, so it’s a meaningful discussion.
You may be referring to the hells, but he had a discussion about having a Mind simulating a particular situation to the point where the participants were basically sentient. In that instance, I do not think it is ethical to end the simulation, but I think it would be ethical to freeze the simulation. If the whole simulation was paused and stored with the potential to be restarted, then no perceivable harm would come to the participants.
No this was the simulation of the entire group that was about to subsume as to how they would react to finding out their very important religious document was actually an alien experiment. I think the mind was the Mistake Not… .
You may be referring to the hells
Wasn’t that in Surface Detail?
@dadifer@lemmy.world is talking about Surface Detail, while I was talking about the Hydrogen Sonata.
Yes because then your car battery won’t start
no, because if you dont use the kill switch you get The Ring happening.
Is that “the ring” cannon or are you just yes anding?
“cannon”?
Uhh, like part of the story.
That’s canon.
Yeah, cabin. Like I said.
Exactomudo, knishy.
Chekhov’s cannon.
Cannon is a thing you shoot big lumps of exploding metal to the distance of tens of kilometers.
Canon is the thing with the plots and stories. Also, a camera.
Ohh, I can see how you could be totally confused becuase im the dumb one.
Don’t worry about it. From what I’ve seen, about 75% of people make the same mistake lol.
Im not worried about it. Obviously.
In my experience it’s far higher. That and “rouge” seem to be very common misspellings.
that is the premise of the books that the film was based on.
Hmm. I thought samara was behind it all. Interesting
Ask them.
It would be unethical to start the simulation in the first place…
How do you define intelligence? In any case, I think it’s irrelevant. What’s relevant is whether the beings are self aware or if they exist having notions and concepts of fear of death. For this reason, I deem it unethical to slaughter - for instance - animals in a setting in which their peers are aware of the moment of death of their peers. Seeing, for instance, a cow agonize about their peer in front of them being shot to death is heart-wrenching. For this reason, my answer to your question is “yes”. Yes I eat meat. :3
You got me curious, you seem to feel some way about slaughtering animals, but that doesn’t seem to translate into your actions being aligned with your feelings.
Would you care to talk about it?
I’ll be honest I have reduced my meat/dairy/egg consumption significantly, but every once in a while I’m not the one cooking at home and I don’t really feel able to go on a side quest while hungry.
It’s not that complicated in my case. Ideologically, I want us - humanity - to move toward vegetarianism. First and foremost because of how unethical I find the production of animals, and secondary for the sake of the environment. I’m just too lazy to actually act on this. I had a two year vegetarian streak when I lived in Japan. I ate meat only if and when I ate out, mainly because Japanese restaurants are not quite informed on vegetarianism and seem to believe that the meal is vegetarian as long as it doesn’t consist of a chunk of meat - which is sad, because Japan has a long history of veganism in their various Buddhist offshoots, but that’s another story. At home, I only cooked vegetarian, although not vegan. It was cheap and easy to find meat replacements, mostly soy based.
Funny, I’m somewhat in the opposite position, when I eat out I always order vegan/vegetarian since it’s usually cheaper and doesn’t require any special effort on my part, but when cooking I might still eat animal parts once in a while since I don’t cook only for myself and can’t always cook twice.
There is a tv film, i don’t know the title, related about this topic.
The plot was :
a group of scientists made a living simulation, and go in the simulation to operate fixes and prevent making simulation. On day, one the scientific was killed, and left a message in the simulation for their coworkers. The message was : “take a road and follow no direction”, a guy in the simulation followed the instruction and discovered that he was in a simulation, but the message were for the scientists who are in a simulation too.
If someone can find the movie, it could be great.
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In 2000, The Thirteenth Floor was nominated for the Saturn Award for Best Science Fiction Film but lost to The Matrix.
Yeah that’s a pretty good sell. I’ll check it out.
and go in the simulation to operate fixes and prevent making simulation.
Pardon?
You can “simulate” life inside your brain, too.
[Alt text: this is Bob. Bob is a figment of you imagination. When you leave, Bob will leave too. “Don’t leave” says Bob]The Bob in your head is intelligent, it can communicate in English. Is it unethical to stop thinking about Bob? Was it unethical of me to show you this picture, creating a “Bob” in your head? Is any story unethical to tell?
Hmm. I also imagined a new bpb that says, “its ok to leave i will be ok”.
If you set the simulation to end before it has begun, do you dodge the question of ethics?
Long story short, no, depending on certain conditions.
Only if it makes a trolley kill someone first.
The ethics which we use today evolved out of practical ethics - that is to say, it’s evolved out of a need for a set of rules meant to be applied in order dictate the conduct of humans amongst one another. Because of this, I think most ethical frames of reference are ill-suited for trying to answer this question soundly.
It seems analogous to trying to apply traditional physics to a quantum reference frame. It’s outside traditional Physics’s wheelhouse. A different set of tools likely needs to be applied, which has a different starting paradigm.
That being said, your answer is really going depend on what this new ethic’s paradigm is, which is arguably completely arbitrary in this specific case.
Only if they have a consciousness.
Lol @ the AI telling on itself.
Found God’s account
Instead of a Dark Lord, you would have a queen, not dark but beautiful and terrible as the dawn! Tempestuous as the sea, and stronger than the foundations of the earth! All shall love me and despair!
