• Tilgare@lemmy.world
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    When I went to Montreal, I’m not exaggerating when I say that every single service worker I interacted with opened with “Bonjour, hello!” You would only have to fuck that up once if you didn’t realize what was happening there.

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      My favorite phrase is one I made to remember the unrelated vocabulary words on a page: je suis une fermier de paumplemousse et j’aime faire de l’apinisme.

      Why grapefruit, farmer, and mountain climbing were together is anyone’s guess.

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        Nice, that phrase will definitely save your life the day you get arrested for littering citrus sheddings but the world at large happens to be vitamin-C deficient after climate change and water levels rising have pushed what remains of humanity to the heights of major mountain ranges where citrus trees can’t naturally grow and they need a specialist with experience both in pamplemousse farming and alpinism so save our kind

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            Thank you, I do my best to output credible scenarios. Are you interested in a little correction of your phrase, or are its quirks part of the memory and the charm ?

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                • un fermier is the masculine form, une fermière is the feminine form
                • pamplemousse with no u in third position
                • alpinisme with an l in second position as in alps
                • stringere@sh.itjust.works
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                  Merci, vous êtes une pêche.

                  Edit: yes it’s not a saying in french but I love swapping idioms back and forth between languages.

                  Always thought it’d be a fun multilingual pun to name a grocery store Fat Cherry.

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    5 days ago

    I still can’t quite accept that the French for “what” is literally “what is it that”

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    I only know enough French to start bar fights in Montreal, which gets awkward because the folks involved are generally better at bar fights than I am.

    Regardless, I’m convinced there is nothing in this world more satisfying than a hearty “TabarNAK” at just the right moment. Fuck’s a great word, but there’s just something about those extra two syllables and the emphasis at the end that fills me with joy.

    • Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      I’m french and I fucking love the sacres. It is my personal opinion that my countrymen mock québécois and its accents because they’re jealous of the funny expressions and the way they can seamlessly slip some English words in any sentence with an impeccable accent.

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      I’m convinced there is nothing in this world more satisfying than a hearty “TabarNAK” at just the right moment

      CaaAAAAaalice

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    5 days ago

    written french is a lot easier to understand than spoken french, we need IRL real time subtitles for these people…

  • VinegarChunks@lemmus.org
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    I went to Paris once, and despite everything I had heard my whole life, if you start off with a Bonjour and end with a Merci, in between, the locals are almost all perfectly happy to speak English with you.

    I’m sure I say these things with a thick American accent so they all know not to continue too much further in French.

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      That’s a Paris thing

      Go even a meter outside the city and people will pretty much ignore you when you don’t talk french

      Source: the bunch of French people I know

      • Sp00kyB00k@lemmy.world
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        I went to the many places in small villages, think about 200 people there, and was welcomed with open arms. My French was bad but with trying to talk with hands and feet in English and French did a lot. They learned English and I learned French.

        Viva la France

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        Say something to prove you’ve never been to france without saying you’ve never been to france.

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            Really, alors vous pouvez sur et certain me dire que la majorité des français hors de Paris sont ceux qui traitent les étrangers qui ne parlent pas le français comme les Parisiens étaient bien connu partout en france pour traiter les étrangers pour des décennies? Cool good to know you know someone therefor confidently incorrect, I can tell you this by having lived there and having family there both in Paris and its suburbs and other places within the country. But please tell me more about france from your perspective.

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              Seems like you’re both describing lived experiences. France is a big place. Some of it is pretty easy to get by with apologetic English, some bits they really don’t speak the language and you’re gonna have to find an app or something.

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                To graduate highschool in france you need to have taken and passed at least 6 years of one secondary language and 4 of a third, most take English for one of those languages and culturally the place most known for the snobbish behaviour historically is Paris, from supressing other languages in France such as Catalan, Basque, Occitan, Breton, Normand, or Frankish, which have begun to disappear completely over the last 200-300 years in favor of the modern French of Paris. Paris culture has a long history of thinking it is the best culture in France and above others in Europe, the term langue franc or lingua franca comes from Parisian French being the primary international language, calling everything from Haitian, Occitan, Normand, and other similar languages as a Patoi a french, a term meaning a derivative of the French language when. Occitan and Frankish are much older languages than French and in the case of Frankish is a language that evolved into French.

                Now with that bit of history and culture out of the way, which shows the suppression of other internal cultures if you want to call it that and erasure of their languages from public use and the elevation of French, which came with the centralization of political and economic power in France in Paris, it lead to a culture within Paris that started with the capital of the monarchy permanently setting up their bureaucratic institutions there then the revolutions starting there, leading to a major cultural centralization there and a sense of superiority compared to the rest of france which endures to this day, be it someone from Lille, Marseille, Toulouse, Dinon, Lyon, or elsewhere the Parisian culture sees those major cities as secondary in cultural additions to prance and Paris as the jewel in the crown. This sort of cultural snobbery led to other regions of France, while maybe less able to speak English in the past than Paris, having a less snobbish attitude than Paris, as well as a more friendly attitude to foreigners as a whole (look up the 1961 Paris Massacre for more context)

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      “I’d much rather stumble around in English than witness whatever the fuck you’re about to do to my mother tongue” - the French

      But yes, a simple “Parlez vous anglais?” puts most conversations firmly in friendly territory. It’s entitlement that puts most people off.

      • Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Yeah most people are self conscious about their accent/vocabulary so if you roll in speaking English it kinda feels like you’re going “hey I expect you to bend over backwards to try to speak my language while I’m visiting your country” which is of course even worse if they’re working at the time. Opening with any attempt to speak French shows that you’re willing to accommodate them and the person will immediately be more relaxed at the idea of exposing just how bad their English is.

    • EffortlessGrace@piefed.social
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      A “jig” is afast lively dance, usually somewhat comical in appearance.

      Because jigs were often performed as comic interludes or sketches at the end of plays, the word “jig” started to mean a a piece of entertainment or a “performance.”

      Eventually, slang-users in Elizabethan England started using “jig” to mean a clever trick or a “con.” If you were “playing a jig” on someone, you were fooling them.

      “Up” means that the “time for the performance is up” or concluded. The most common way we use “up” to mean finished is in relation to time. When a clock runs out, the time is “up.”

      Imagine a cup being filled with water. When it reaches the brim (the top), it is full; it can’t take anymore. In the same way, when a situation or a “jig” (a trick) reaches its limit of time or tolerance, it is “up” at the brim.​

      In English, we often add “up” to verbs to show that an action is finished 100%. This is known as a “completive particle” in the study of language.

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      The meaning behind the idiom is that “jig” is an old term for a trick, so you’re no longer fooling the person.

  • HobbitFoot @thelemmy.club
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    Yeah. You can tell the people who don’t travel internationally that much always insist on trying to speak the local language as much as possible without understanding the high time cost of language switching in the middle of the interaction instead of establishing the language at the beginning.

  • Chloé 🥕@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    i’ve worked as a cashier in quebec, and i promise you if you don’t speak french, don’t pretend, you’ll only make things more awkward for everyone lol. personally, if someone speaks to me in french, even with a big accent, i reply in french, tho i know that not everyone does

    ask if we speak english, more often than not (especially in montreal) the answer will be yes, and if not we’ll get someone who does. (at least that’s how it was where i worked, maybe other places who are less used to have english-speaking customers would react differently)

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      when you go in with the plan of saying “one coffee please” and you know how to say it and you think you know how to pay for it, and then you get a question you don’t understand after “hello”, that is something i can relate to
      i guess it’s probably different in canada, where english is a majority language, so you can basically assume everyone speaks it, but when i was driving through germany, i first tried using my rusty german, and if/when i reached my limits, i asked if they spoke english and also it’s a challenge for oneself, i wouldn’t want to take that away from people, although i can see how it can be frustrating when a long queue halts for some time due to communication issues

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      Interestingly, Québécois French is less likely to use loanwords like “le weekend”, preferring instead to use terms like “fin de semaine” (literally “end of the week”). In terms of vocab used, a French person is still likely to understand a Québécois French speaker (and vice versa). I can’t speak for how much impact accent has on intelligibility though

      Source: English person who did 8 years of French in high school, who also has a French Canadian friend

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          I suppose it wasn’t all in high school. It was between the ages of 10 and 18, which would mean that it was from Year 5 to Year 13. In my country, secondary school is from year 7 to year 13; I said “in high school” because that’s when the majority of it took place

      • AtrusOfDni@lemmy.world
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        I lived with a French Canadian while living in France. They like to get so high and mighty about speaking “purer” French with “less loanwords”, but I would say they use just as many if not more.

        One example was a day we started taking about cars. I hear him use words like “wheel” and “bumper” (literally just the English words with a French accent) and I’m like “bro do they really not use the French words for those in Canada?”

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      Some pronunciations are very different for sure. For example, France French says montagne (mountain) sort of like mohn-tahn-yeh, and in Montreal it’s mohn-taine.

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      Some words have a different meaning, they use a lot of English words, and have a unique accent. We Frenchmen can understand québécois with minimal difficulty.

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          The easiest way to compare is Irish/Scottish relative to global English. Or better yet, a thick American southern accent compared to a British accent.

          The idioms, the accent etc all have their particularity. Typically quebecers can understand French from France but the opposite is a little more difficult.

          All that being said, just like all languages there’s localised variations around quebec. And a trained hear can usually tell the difference between someone from Gatineau, Montréal, quebec, Gaspésie or Lac St-Jean.