[green, speaking, looking smug]
Okay, hear me out, here’s the plan…
We go full apathy, basically we let capitalism fully spiral out into fascism. Once it’s done, people will rise up and the system will collapse under its own weight. From its ashes, with our help, a better society will rise. This is how we win.
[we now see that green is tied up in front of a bleak wall, along with a group of other people, being aimed at by a firing squad of characters in fascist uniforms]
[green, smiling] OK?
[blue, pissed] Dude…
Literally Ernst Thälmann. He said to let the Nazis take power, and then the whole world will see how incompetent they are, and then his communist party will surely rise up! But there are no prizes for guessing what happened to him in the end!
The candidate the social democrats wanted won and he’s the guy who appointed Hitler chancellor! There was a three way race between “literally Hitler,” “guy who will put Hitler into a position of power” and “not Hitler” (Thälmann) and somehow libs are still mad that “not Hitler” was on the ballot.
The social democrats were the ones with the brilliant plan of punching left in favor of a “center”-right coalition, and they actually won and got what they wanted and wound up in the camps as a direct result of it!
No prizes for guessing what happens when you trust the bourgeoisie parties to be an ally against fascism.
Who the fuck is downvoting this?
Wrong guy. Thallman gave a speech in Hamburg in May 1932 about the launch of the Antifa organization criticizing anybody thinking they can benefit from Hitler taking power and warning you can’t play with fascism. Then a book in the 1970s picked out where he’s quoting the idea he’s against and only quoted the quote trying to manufacture this convenient ironic twist where actually communists deserved to die in death camps.
The head of the SPD social democratic party paramilitary wing Reichsbanner gave a speech in February 1933 (right after Hitler took power, right before the Reichstag fire) and did actually say “after Hitler our turn” arguing it was good to let Hitler expand the military because the SPD would get a cool new army when they won the next election.
Doesn’t help that the social democrats had murdered the more moderate leaders of the communists (like Rosa Luxembourg) just a few years before that and funded the Freikorps with government funds. How is a small party (KPD) without access to government more accelerationist than the big party in government (SPD) actively funding Nazi death squads to murder communists already a decade before?
Also, the SPD leaders literally flipped its anti-militarist stance overnight when WW1 broke out. Again, who’s the accelerationist, the one protesting against that and being murdered by fascists or the party in government funding said fascists and supporting WW1?
Capitalists: take notes on what the Nazis did wrong and tiptoe around it
choked on a bone in a pie eating contest, which was weird because it was an apple pie?
people will rise up
The line in the sand as to what’s acceptable has been redrawn so many times, if the people haven’t risen up by now, they never will. You’re stuck with the rancid orange colostomy bag until he either pops his clogs, or chooses to leave.
Nope. Fascism is there to stay for the next decade regardless of what happens to Trump.
There is an economic calamity coming that most people alive have never witnessed and barely understand the magnitude of from their history books. Were probably 6 months to a year away from it, it really depends how much fertilizer is getting out of Hormuz right now.
That will be a turning point. Either people use that to come together and turn away from fascism or fascism cements itself. Either way, I predict much hardship in the foreseeable future.
Oh, no. People will rise up eventually. It’s just a shame that most people turn out to be olympic athletes in mental gymnastics and delay the realization to the next generation(s).
If people are not actively starving they basically never rise up. That’s been true though all of History.
It takes SERIOUSLY major direct impact to people’s day to day life in meaningful ways to kick start a revolution.
Pretty much the same plan as the Republicans, right? They were all about burning it down but plenty of them are arriving at the “Dude!” stage.
As a Millennial this is basically how I feel about Gen Z. Why are they so apathetic regarding everything? If anyone gets passionate about anything because they want something done about the rise of fascism, you get labeled as “crashing out”! It’s annoying as fuck!
My friends just say I’m crazy and I’m on the dark web for using Lemmy and telling them how bad google and fb are 😆 they dont believe anything I tell them.
As a millennial, you should understand that there’s no coherent volition behind surplus objects like Gen Z. Do you remember how the US just added every muslim to the list of terrorists or how suddenly all single mothers in the UK became a parasite?
Why are you generalizing a whole generation?
Advertising stupidity, the only reason anyone ever has.
As a millennial who remembers massive climate change and anti Iraq war protests I get it.
Stop crashing out… :)
No but I think its because of never ending negative things happening. People stop to care because they cant affect it.
Trump was elected under millennials, not Z. Americans in general are apathetic - it’s a culture issue, not a generational one.
I see that difference extremely clearly now that I live in Finland.
“The youngest voters and those entering middle age tacked hard to the right. Gen X — which slightly favored president-elect Donald Trump with a one-point margin in 2020 — shifted 9 points toward Trump this cycle. Gen Z favored Vice President Kamala Harris by 11 points, compared to 24 points for President Joe Biden.
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Gen Z’s big shift to the right wasn’t entirely unexpected. Teens were twice as likely to identify as more conservative than their parents compared to millennials 20 years ago, per a Gallup and Walton Family Foundation study conducted last fall.”
-Business Insider
Trump was elected under millennials *the first time.
And the second under both.
Not to mention, even your own thing shows they were still more “left” leaning (as left as you can get with establishment democrats at least) overall. But then again, you post from an unheard of source that then quotes the right wing business insider, so I’m not surprised you didn’t catch that their conclusion doesn’t make sense (Biden was the candidate up until literally a few months before the election, when it quickly swapped to Harris. 11 points in that context is quite high all things considered).
After WW2 65 million people were dead and 50% of the boys and men in Germany were dead. Everyone loses with fascism
oh goodie. question that has absolutely no bearing on reality whatsoever: so in Austria and Germany there had to have been people who, before WW2, were crippled. I know war leaves people crippled but i’m curious as to the fate of those who were crippled before the war. No reason whatsoever ignore the cane and wheelchair and cabinet full of glue.
aw who am i kidding they’re gonna turn me into glue
Bad News Aktion T4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4
Fully agreed but why the particular focus on the offending nation? You could give similar statistics about, say, Belarus or Poland. To me it’s not morally the same when a Nazi German soldier is killed in combat to when a Belarusian civilian is starved to death in a Nazi concentration camp.
Because I’m stuck in the United States of Israel
So?
So the fate of the turd Reich is historically relevant to the current situation we face.
Oh, sorry, I get it now, thanks for explaining
well this is going to make you happy. i just read this comic and was coming here to post it :3
It does, thanks, that’s pretty cool ! 🥰
This but socialism
Governments that raise up against a totalitarian regime in anger rarely end up in a peaceful and prosperous place if they succeed, see France, Lybia, Rome, the Soviet Union/Russian Empire, China every time, Japan (under the shogunate), Egypt (Arab spring), Sudan, Somalia, Assyria (7th century BCE between 612 and 609 BCE), and so many more.
This isn’t even the stupidest point of accelerationism. That’s the assumption that your personal utopia will emerge from the ashes, instead of something much worse.
The simple fact of the matter is that there is no path to “perfect” which doesn’t track through an infinite amount of “better” first.
This isn’t even the stupidest point of accelerationism
Agreed, but like, there are no actual accelerationists, it’s mostly a strawman used to misrepresent people who are more radical. Sure, there may be a few random accelerationists around, but there’s no serious political movement anywhere with accelerationism in their policy because it is a very bad idea.
“no serious political movement” my dude, statesian republicans are maybe not explicit
statesians[edit woah oaky maybe too many drugs] accelerationists but like, i’m gonna lose teeth because of them.and don’t say they aren’t serious because just because they’re dipshits, they’re still a major political party and killing people. that’s pretty damn serious.
But statesian republicans don’t advocate for the end of capitalism and an implosion of the country. They’re disgusting, but they’re not accelerationists, they defend hard policy to defend the status quo.
they’re more advocating for destruction of everything because some of them believe they have to destroy the world before their god will return
This is exactly the problem. “Supporting policies that make things worse for the average person” is not the same thing as “accelerationism.” Some people are just wrong, or they have different motivations (like making them and their friends rich). If accelerationism just means making things worse, then everyone is an accelerationist to everyone who disagrees with them, it loses any real meaning.
There may be a handful of actual accelerationists in the party, but they’re mostly driven by material interests and a whole bunch of brainworms, not by some accelerationist strategy.
Yeah the take plays against their point and into the hands of fascists. A common retort from “capitalists” goes “well why doesn’t your economic system compete on the free market? If it’s so good it will rise to the top.” You believing your ideology will defacto rise from a blank slate after society collapses lends credence to that argument. (Which is flawed in so many ways)
I don’t think utopias are a bad idea in general, but if they somehow are only reachable by collapsing most of the current system before any groundwork can even be attempted… a form that can be developed in parallel and take over at some point makes much more sense.
Think about the transition and hopefully it doesn’t require nuclear war.
Reminds me of this meme:
Or this one:
Obviously, we shouldn’t need to detail “villains bad” in media, but with so many of them having “from the ashes” plans, I’d like to see more heroes deconstructing their approach like this.
Almost nobody is arguing this maybe i should give you the benefit of the doubt but I just can’t people hating your “nicer” imperialist genocidal capitalists don’t believe this.
Please use punctuation.
Every stupid fucking Marxists Leninist piece of shit and dumb-fuck psuedo-Palestine activist garbage fuckwitt who boycotted voting Kamala actively aided Trump, and thus chose the vastly more pro-genocide option
Except they don’t believe this at all and maybe we should fight so there is no pro genocide option instead of one you assign lesser pro genocide.
Except they don’t believe this at all
I know, they don’t believe in objective reality.
and maybe we should fight so there is no pro genocide option instead of one you assign lesser pro genocide.
- I never assigned Kamala as the lesser of two evils nor the less damaging and less genocidal. That was/is simple reality, and more genocide and atrocities are now happening in part due to these people’s inaction. The blood is partially on their hands too
- You’re entirely missing the point. The choice was either voting Kamala or aiding Trump with inaction, thus causing far more death and suffering. There wasn’t an alternative. If there was, I would have also chosen it. We aren’t free from reality just because its grim and horrible.
- We can fight against genocide while also not surrendering to fascism. Hence the point of the comic.
Yes how dare folks not go out an vote for a candidate that would have Genocide 50% of the time. Don’t people know that is smaller than the candidate the genocides 100% of the time
I’m sure the people of Iran, and the Hispanic folks being sent to concentration camps, or anyone who relied on US aid programs are grateful for your extreme shortsightedness and inability to do very basic situational analysis that you couldn’t see the blood puddle under Kamala was smaller than under Trump.
I’m sure they’ll get on their hands and knees to praise you before their little girls’ school is bombed or the ICE agents put their gun in their mouths and pull the trigger.
You’re such a brave warrior/activists and your actions are so amazingly effective at saving lives. /s
Than it’s a good thing I am not arguing some moral superiority. The argument is regardless which candidate won blood of the innocent every day still getting spilled by the machine. It supposedly being smaller doesn’t make it better
Less death and destruction is always a better option. Its a simple matter of the Trolley problem, and if you can’t figure that one out, you got major issues.
I haven’t even jumped into the fact that getting actual progressive and anti-genocide politicians in office went from difficult to nearly impossible because millions of pathetic psuedo-leftists decided they’d rather collapse the US from flawed democracy to fascist shithole with nukes.
And with this trolley problem it is either one track with 100 bodies or a track thatids 99.
I rather spend my time getting all 199 bodies off the tracks thank you very much
I’d rather bury my head in the sand and allow everyone to die due to my inaction because I believe I can break reality itself to change it to how I wish it was. I do t like how reality is so I’m gonna pretend it isn’t the way it is.
FTFY
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I’m fine with the logic of a species going extinct because they destroyed their own ecosystem, but intentionally accelerating that process is what I can only describe as evil. It’s doing massive harm for no benefit. It won’t save the planet’s current inhabitants from further damage; the real motivation is genocide against humans.
Potentially at the expense of all non-microbial life.
I don’t think that’s on the cards. Non-microbial life has survived 70% of the planet’s forests going up in flames as a consequence of a massive asteroid impact, and the ensuing years or possibly decade+ of planet-wide ash and dust clouds blocking out the sun. And that was just the latest mass extinction event.
You’re giving humanity far too much credit by assuming we’d be capable of anything comparable right now.
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The problem is capitalism. Don’t make it about humans as a species when there are countless counter examples we can learn from
The problem is capitalism.
The Soviets were shit on environmentalism for a long time. We didn’t see a serious environmental movement in China until the early 2000s. We’ve never really seen one in the USSR, prior to its collapse.
The alternative to Capitalism is not necessarily whatever the fuck the Soviets’ idea of Communism was.
“Capitalism caused all these ecological problems”
“Okay what about the same problems occurring outside of a capitalist framework”
“Those don’t count”
Shrug
You’ve got to move beyond the ideological and address the material. Ecological harm isn’t predicated on privatized profit.
“I’m sick, my covid test is positive. I’m staying at home.”
“Actually, noro virus has similar symptoms. The problem isn’t covid.”
Shrug
True. That’s not what I had in mind when I talked about alternatives.
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True, just look at what they are finding out about ancient South American society in the Amazon. Apparently, at one point humans nearly wiped out most of the Amazon rainforest to have gigantic, almost New York sized metropolitan cities.
The problem is about greed and corruption. Communism doesn’t fix that.
The problem is about greed and corruption.
And a culture that reinforces it.
Communism doesn’t fix that.
If you are talking about Bolshevism, I agree.
Even parasites are important to the environment. Also, if you wanna be dragged down to hell, don’t pull us with you.
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I mean if you hate yourself that much there’s other options than trying to take us out with you
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humans are just another parasitic and unchecked species that is probably going to learn about their own environmental limits the hard way.
Humans are the exception precisely because they can see the axe falling and move out of the way.
Outside of the fossil fuel dominated US/Saudi sphere, we’ve seen an enormous collaborated effort to curb greenhouse gases. Not everyone is ignoring the risks and consequences.
What we have the capitalist West is a conscious choice between short term profit and long term survival.
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most scientists agree it is too late
I mean, “too late” for what is always the question. Folks keep insisting The Apocalypse is next month. And then it doesn’t come, and we get a wave of “I guess nothing actually ever happens” during a new record heat wave.
if it takes the entire world falling apart to make the realities undeniably apparent, then so be it
The world is a big place. It’s not clear what “falling apart” is even supposed to look like.
I’m seeing people predicting a 4% drop in population because of a particularly harsh El Nino this year. I’ve been hearing about a looming economic crash that’s at least ten years overdue.
At the scope of a human life, all of this is still very gradual change. You’re going to be living in the middle of it and not realize how much has changed because you never knew subzero weather in St. Louis or glaciers in Montana were normal.
The talk is of some kind of sharp sudden drop, and not the further churn of a 30,000 year old global extinction event.
There’s also climate accelerationism
Trump has done more to curb emissions with the closing of Hormuz than the last five presidents combined.
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Also, petrochemicals are a requirement for any sort of transition to alternatives. Humanity has been binging for nearly two centuries on free energy through hard oil dependence.
If we don’t tirate off of that the shock will (functionally) kill us. The thought that halting that consumption will solve everything is like an extreme alcoholic thinking quitting cold turkey will work.
That’s iike living in a house that is falling apart and saying if I just let it fall apart completely then I won’t need to fix the house
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There’s pretty much no evidence we will wipe ourselves “out” through climate change.
Really really fuck ourselves over? Sure. But it’s not going to kill literally everyone.
We have to figure out how to live together with the planet one way or another, and one day.
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Okay, but capitalism dystopia is not going to look like that. In real capitalism, that wall will be covered in advertisements and motivation posters.
Me and who 😳
get shot rearing an ad for Amazon™ Bezz-box® rented apartments on Mars.
No need to market to you when they simply extract your labour and rent and you buy the swill that is cheapest to you.
Marketing is more than just selling products, it is a form of social manipulation and conditioning in the constant bombardment of information. It keeps the people not only buying your products but conditioning them to think that they need your products in the first place.
Advertisers will never go obsolete. They are too good at advertising themselves.
