• Colonel Panic@programming.dev
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    9 days ago

    thx for the diabeetus

    you know you don’t have to turn it into corn syrup right? that crap isn’t used widely anywhere but in the US

    • coaxil@lemmy.zip
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      8 days ago

      The crazy thing is, every time I have tried a yank drink with corn syrup that my country has the equivalent to without corn syrup, the yank one tastes like ass without fail, and leaves your mouth feeling weird.

    • Taldan@lemmy.world
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      9 days ago

      Corn syrup is better than our other main use for it: Ethanol

      Problem is that we have such extreme subsidies that vast swaths of farmers are now entirely reliant on corn subsidies. We make far more corn than we have any use for because of it

      No politician wants to be the one to take away the insane corn subsidies because a whole lot of farmers will be upset, and the American public is generally unaware of how wasteful the subsidies are

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      8 days ago

      Especially because most of the corn eaten in the rest of the Americas isn’t sweet at all. It’s more equivalent of rice, pasta, potatoes, etc…

  • FrowingFostek@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    I don’t think it was the Mexican farmers that gave us diabeetus. I’d blame it on the sugar cartels in the US.

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        9 days ago

        High-fructose maize isn’t an Indegenous invention: that’s a White invention.

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    • Stupidmanager@lemmy.world
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      8 days ago

      You can blame the sugar cartels all you want, The truth is if you’re an American, you finance this shit through your taxes. Corporations suck, but what sucks more is that people don’t realize they help pay for their own slow demise in the name of profit.

      • FrowingFostek@lemmy.world
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        8 days ago

        Oh for sure, the broader argument to me would be about sugar subsidies. I don’t support subsidizing the sugar/corn/meat industries. If I had a magic wand I’d much rather those taxes subsidize more nutrient dense foods.

    • Katrisia@lemmy.today
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      7 days ago

      Yes! Actually, Mexican farmers are still fighting to preserve their numerous (really numerous, really rich) variety of corn because capitalists and allies are pushing for monopolies (hence, the same seeds), for profitable crops (hence, the best seeds for that purpose), and rare seeds are in danger. It took centuries to get there…

      Mexican ecological fights are bloody.

      Personal rant. And I do not understand in which state of mind you need to be to kill someone protecting special corn seeds or butterflies. For what? More money that is not needed because there’s enough already in the world? Go take it from the guys who retain it! Leave Nature, and their animals, and the people alone, FFS.

  • AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net
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    9 days ago

    While some foods are associated with a higher risk of type 2 diabetes, no single ingredients in and of themselves cause diabetes - obesity does. That’s why every fad diet can make a semi-credible claim to have “cured” people’s diabetes. If you lose enough weight, it might go into remission.

    And to be clear, none of what I just said is meant to imply a moral, individual failure on the part of anyone who is living/struggling with obesity and diabetes. It’s a complex thing, and like all complex things we can go ahead and blame corporations for it. 👍

  • F_State@midwest.social
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    8 days ago

    The change from teosinte to maize involved a surprisingly small change to it’s genetic code. Something like 5 genes.

  • amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    9 days ago

    thx for the diabeetus

    fun fact, that is a eugenicist health scare campaign started by settlers to demonize indigenous peoples whose traditional diets are rich in corn.

    famine and genocide are known causes of chronic illness. surviving colonialism is inherently disabling and heightened diabetes rates are a side-effect of that. it makes no scientific sense to me to completely ignore the social determinants of health and blame the diets of entire ethnic groups for their chronic illness rates.

  • FundMECFS@piefed.zip
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    9 days ago

    Mexico didn’t exist back then. Europeans hadn’t conquered and genocided and created states in the Americas.

    This was native (indigenous) americans.

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        9 days ago

        indigeneity and nationality are two different concepts that have nothing to do with each other.

        this can range from indigenous Oaxacans who are US citizens to Mexican citizens who are settlers who murder indigenous people in Mexico to steal their land.

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        8 days ago

        Mexico is a settler colonial state created by Spanish genociders.

        The Mexican ruling class is still largely of european descent. It’s well established that lighter skin correlates with status in Mexico.

    • Katrisia@lemmy.today
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      7 days ago

      But those native people are still alive and the majority identify as Mexicans (additional to their community’s identity). They’re often bicultural, bilingual, etc.

      Are you really going to walk to Xochimilco, where there are still chinampas, and tell the people they should not take credit for them as a society, for example? As crazy as to walk to an ethnic German in Köln and telling him/her that the Köln cathedral and the… Cologne, sorry, whatever, and the food and the stuff is not really their heritage because “you weren’t Germany until…”. WTH? Then all Germans did during the Weimar Republic wasn’t them. All they did as Empires wasn’t them. I hope it’s not an awful analogy.

      Like, you’re technically correct, but pragmatically it doesn’t make much sense to me in this case.

      • wieson@feddit.org
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        9 days ago

        I don’t know where exactly maize was cultivated, but Mexico comes from city Mexico-Tenochtitlan.

        They found millenia old traces of maize in the valley of the Rio Balsa in Xihuatoxtla and also in the valley of Tehuacán.

        Something about Coxcatlán phase. Couldn’t find a name of a people who would have been responsible for the domestication.

        It’s easiest to say it happened in Mesoamerica.

          • Mulligrubs@lemmy.world
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            9 days ago

            Someone has made up every name for every thing

            You put “Mexica” in English… someone made that up, too. chaos everywhere what will we do

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              8 days ago

              No, the people literally called themselves Mexica, they chose to call them Aztecs because they thought it would confuse the people.

              • Mulligrubs@lemmy.world
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                8 days ago

                No, they didn’t call themselves “Mexica”.

                They didn’t use the letters “M”, “e”, “x”, “i”, “c”, or even “a”.

                Regardless, the term “Mexica” and all of those English letters were made up by someone. Not a single one of those words or letters existed independent of whomever made them up.

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                  8 days ago

                  if you would have read the artical that I liked you could indeed see they called themselves Mexica (even if I must use these letters to represent the sounds). They never used the work Aztecs, its just a dumbing down for people, which seems it was needed, but still whitewashing.

  • OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works
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    9 days ago

    It feels kinda strange to call them Mexican farmers. Like referring to the people who lived where the US is 9000 years ago “American Farmers”.

    Like I guess that’s technically correct in a way. But it still feels weird.

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      8 days ago

      You might say “prehistoric mexican farmers” or “prehistoric farmers of modern day mexico”

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      8 days ago

      Mesoamerican for what we’ve called the aztecs and Indigenous American for the ones who were genocided by Europe?

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    9 days ago

    Ain’t nobody made you fat from that but you. If you were living like the natives were back then, you might be keeping fitter with it

    • amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      9 days ago

      that’s like blaming potatoes for deaths caused by green potatoes.

      corn doesn’t cause anemia or malnutrition, it’s partly because it’s not processed properly through nixtamalization and partly because of poverty caused by colonialism

      • KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        8 days ago

        Potatoes aren’t green by default when ripe.

        “this is like blaming guns for killing people, it’s just that they didn’t have the right bullets loaded”

        • reabsorbthelight@lemmy.world
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          8 days ago

          But it’s the bullets fault the potatoes are green!! Is the fascist colonists immigrants hasn’t shot the potatoes, they’d be brown!

    • F_State@midwest.social
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      8 days ago

      Maize (corn) processed into masa like they did for millennia in the Americas is highly nutritious. White people thought it was something “dumb” brown people did and didn’t reap the true benefits of the crop