“Telegram is not a private messenger. There’s nothing private about it. It’s the opposite. It’s a cloud messenger where every message you’ve ever sent or received is in plain text in a database that Telegram the organization controls and has access to it”

“It’s like a Russian oligarch starting an unencrypted version of WhatsApp, a pixel for pixel clone of WhatsApp. That should be kind of a difficult brand to operate. Somehow, they’ve done a really amazing job of convincing the whole world that this is an encrypted messaging app and that the founder is some kind of Russian dissident, even though he goes there once a month, the whole team lives in Russia, and their families are there.”

" What happened in France is they just chose not to respond to the subpoena. So that’s in violation of the law. And, he gets arrested in France, right? And everyone’s like, oh, France. But I think the key point is they have the data, like they can respond to the subpoenas where as Signal, for instance, doesn’t have access to the data and couldn’t respond to that same request.  To me it’s very obvious that Russia would’ve had a much less polite version of that conversation with Pavel Durov and the telegram team before this moment"

  • lepinkainen@lemmy.world
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    6 个月前

    Telegram has first party bot support, Signal doesn’t.

    That’s the #1 reason I still have Telegram installed.

    Let me have my own bot, officially, connected to Signal so I can do my nerdy automation shit through it and I’ll move over fully.

    Please don’t link me any of the “just use a prepaid phone and…” hacks. I don’t want that, I want first party support.

  • egrets@lemmy.world
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    6 个月前

    They’ve done a really amazing job of convincing the world that this is an encrypted messaging app.

    This is a play on people’s naivety. It is an encrypted messaging app in as much as regular messages are encrypted between the client and the server. It’s just that this achieves nothing for the user in terms of privacy unless you can both completely trust the provider (you shouldn’t) and be confident that the back-end can’t be compromised (you can’t).

    They do also have “secret chats” that are apparently E2E encrypted, but you’d be mad at this point to give them the benefit of the doubt without at least looking at independent security audits of the client.

  • T (they/she)@beehaw.org
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    6 个月前

    I stopped using Telegram as soon as I learned their chats aren’t E2E encrypted unless you create a secret chat. Their advertising is so misleading. Even WhatsApp is more private than Telegram.

  • sifar@lemmy.ml
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    6 个月前

    That’s absurd coming from the founder of a FOSS messaging app who actively decided not to let Signal federate and rejected any other open source Signal client. Not only that, even now you can’t truly use Signal’s new “username” feature. If any of the recipients have your number stored in their phonebook, irrespective of whether you know them or not, the username goes for a toss. This was/is the problem with Telegram’s username feature. Signal knew this and still decided to go ahead with it. Not to mention never doing anything about completely removing the phone number from the account after its creation. This has been, by design, a privacy and hence safety threat, and even after the username feature was implemented, this not getting implemented is very concerning.

    • GreenShimada@lemmy.world
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      6 个月前

      I’m sorry your free messaging app isn’t perfect. /s

      And I always assumed that nicknames was just as much to prevent screenshots from becoming a liability.

      • DeckPacker@lemmy.world
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        6 个月前

        What are you talking about?

        I literally installed Signal on my Linux laptop yesterday and it automatically downloaded all my messages from my phone.

      • ShortN0te@lemmy.ml
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        6 个月前

        Its not about being complicated, its about dumping the whole chat history with just a few seconds of physical acceas to the device.

        LEA has used this method with messangers like Whatsapp for years to quicly exfiltrade the data from a victims phone to other software.

          • ShortN0te@lemmy.ml
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            6 个月前

            The Pin is not designed and used for such an authentication. Also can be changed at any time:

            How do I manage or change my PIN?

            On your phone, go to Signal Settings > Account > Change your PIN

    • paequ2@lemmy.today
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      6 个月前

      you can’t truly use Signal’s new “username” feature. If any of the recipients have your number stored in their phonebook, irrespective of whether you know them or not, the username goes for a toss.

      Hm. I haven’t interacted with a new Signal user in a while… but I do see in settings two knobs: “who can see my phone number” and “who can find me with my phone number”. Both of these settings can be set to “nobody”.

      I’m guessing if I set “who can find me with my phone number” to “nobody”, then even if someone has my phone number in their contacts, they wouldn’t know I’m a Signal user?

  • elbiter@lemmy.world
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    6 个月前

    All these apps owned by corporations are just black boxes where you send information and nobody knows for certain what they do with it.

    Best case, they parse it, cross it with other data and make it profitable (for them, not for you).

    Worst case… Who knows…

  • presoak@lazysoci.al
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    6 个月前

    She’s pretty hot for a programmer.

    And with a name like that she was destined for greatness.

  • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    6 个月前

    fedposting “Don’t use those other chat apps, where the barbarous Russians or sneaky Arabs could compel your data. Use my app instead: FedChat: Built For Feds, By Feds” - Feddy McFedderson, founder of Signal

    • quantumcrop@lemmy.today
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      6 个月前

      I mean I’m not a huge Signal fan but I certainly trust them far more than either telegram or whatsapp. I would at least be ok installing telegram if I had to; if someone told me I needed to download a meta product to save my own life I’d tell them I’m ready to die.

      • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
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        6 个月前

        Depending on country you may be able to subsidize only part of the sauna as a business expense if it’s a sauna at your home office, but actually hosting interviews in it would for sure help your case in claiming it to be operated for business.

        I don’t know how it is in the US though.

  • 1984@lemmy.today
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    6 个月前

    Better than American big tech chats. It may not be private but its a very good chat app. Definently the best designed one from a user interface point of view.