seen a bunch of people just hating on the Catholic church and even catholics for no logical reason at all

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    Because the big majority of users are from countries where the most followed religion is Christianity. If it was a social network mainly from Islamic countries the most hated religion would be Islam.

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    The logical reasons to hate Christians could fill a book. However, I think we’re just pretty secular around here.

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    Hating pedophile blood cults is pretty ridiculous like the Catholics aren’t even the worst one have you seen the capitalists at least the Catholics have art

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    I haven’t seen any hate specifically towards the Catholic Church (I was raised Catholic, I think I’d notice). Lemmy is majority atheist and we live in countries whose cultures are at the very least heavily influenced by religions so there’s no love for theists.

    What you MAY be seeing is people reacting to the rampant child abuse done by Catholic clergy that is regularly reported on and never really addressed.

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      I’d say no culture got not influenced by faith. Faith and culture went hand in hand for a very long time. Culture formed religion and religion formed culture

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          I think they just meant that it is true for all countries, since every culture in earth is affected that way. So the distinction “people here come from countries,…” is redundant.

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            Fair. I wanted to point out that we all experience some influence of religion(s) in our daily lives and thus have opinions. I suppose I could’ve worded that less ambiguous.

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    Ignoring the myriad of other reasons, merely the fact that the catholic church opposes women’s control over their own reproduction (which is the only measure that works to alleviate poverty) should be enough for anyone.

    ETA: also, isn’t it weird to be lectured to about sex by a virgin who you call father?

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        I’ll humour you (although I think you’re actually trolling)…

        Incase you didn’t know, the catholic church opposes abortion and contraception.

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          yes, it does. You should only have sex if you want a child, otherwise its quite hedonistic

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            OK now you have one reason why people hate on it.

            Hippies had it right. Enjoy your bodies how you see fit, this is no business of an organization.

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            The catholic church explicitly promotes sex for the purposes of unity within a married relationship.

            The church also promotes having sex during non-ovulation times to facilitate natural conception.

            So you’re a hypocrite who gets off (no pun intended) on telling others how to live, the worst kind of theist dickhead.

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              to facilitate natural conception and sex can be of unity, but only when you do it for the purposes of having a child

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                Facilitating natural conception can be unity but does not necessarily mean it must be.

                You are picking and choosing what you believe.

                You’ve been trained well.

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            Even Catholic teaching says that sex is vital for partner bonding beyond procreation.

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    Catholics tend to vote for republicans and other right-wing parties. This tells you everything you need to know about them. They have no morals and clearly struggle to understand the teachings of Jesus.

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    You’re going to face a lot of it, too many years of bad shit to live down. You’ll either have to incorporate the atrocities into your worldview and belief or relegate your faith to private. But luckily your moral framework is one that hinges on it never being too late to meaningfully act to improve the world, regardless of what anyone thinks about you.

    As an athiest yours is my favorite faith, despite everything. Your culture and history is as beatiful and blood soaked and numinous and complicated as any other, I hope you come to see your place within it as compelling as your faith is to me.

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      Finally, a shred of positivity.

      Thank you, Frater. may the Lord be with you

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    On my end it’s mostly cultural. Quebec went through the Quiet revolution in the 60s in response to the social and educational stagnation the Church and the government imposed on the working class.

    Then add on top the residential school systems that caused great harm to the indigenous nations in Canada which was handled by the Church.

    Yeah. not fond at all of the Catholic Church after all that. The less power it has in politics and public services, the better IMO. It doesn’t mean I hate catholics, just the organization behind it.

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    Okay, so we’ll break it down in incresingly narrow boxes :

    1- Hatred of religion in general

    Religion has been and continues to be a tool for legitimizing power structures. As such, they’re associated with the oppressive systems they’ve historically upheld. That goes from state structures like monarchy to modes of production like slavery, reaching whithin family dynamics, like patriarchy. Atheism was until recently broadly criminalized throughout the world. Atheism, or at least secularism, is a feature of many ideologies that arose since the late 18th century to uproot these systems, while religions are claimed by ideologies that arose in reaction tooto these. Politically, religion is therefore seen as conservative .

    2- Hatred of Abrahamic religions

    Some see these religions (Christianity, Islam, Druzism, Judaism) as inherently more oppressive than other, because they see it as a sin to worship gods other than their, and do not permit synchretism like other religions do. This is a big debate, and it doesn’t hold true to the same extent for all Abrahamic religions, but I’m not getting into details on this.

    3- Hatred of Christianity

    There are religious people who hate christianity for theological reasons, but I’m once again more interested in the political aspect. Many hate christianity for its role in colonization and association with western imperialism. It’s basically the first two points applied to specific circumstances of christianity : How it came to eradicate paganism in Europe and attempted (sometimes continues to attempt) to do the same globally, how, using colonial means it erases cultures. Same can be said of Islam to an extent, and you could say the main difference is that Christianity has been successful more recently and more globally. But then again, while they’ve had the same attitude towards paganism, Islam has historically tolerated more religious in their states, as long as these were “religions of the book”. Tho it’s true that the situation has come to be a bit reversed on that point…

    4 a- Hatred of Catholicism for theological reasons :

    Idk about the details, but part of a reason why the reform happens was that catholicism was seen as drifting to far from true belief and focusing on preserving and enriching itself as an institution. Other accusations include being too close to paganism due to the cult of saints and the continuity with Roman institutions (diocieses that predate the christianisation of the empire, nuns too similar to Vestal virgins…), and the fact that at the time, the mass was always in Latin although most people didn’t understand it.

    4 b- Hatred of Catholicism : Post-colonial reasons

    Point 3 applied to former colonies of France, Spain and Portugal, for which evangelisation was purely Catholic. the Catholic church continues to wield large power there, and some people consider its influence a remnant of colonialism. However, it is interesting to note that catholicism can be seen the opposite way by people from catholic countries for which a protestantprotestant country is seen as a greater or more recent oppressor (like Ireland or Puerto-Rico).

    4 c- Hatred of Catholicism : Structural reasons

    Catholiscism has a strict clergy hierarchy, moreso than Protestantism or Islam. Some see this as wrong in itself for philosophical or theological reasons, but even if that is not the case, this means the Catholic Church, more than others, can be perceived as an institution with agency and responsabilities. More than others, they’re expected to answer to their past positions and to solve their ongoing issues, something it struggles with as it doesn’t want to alienate the more concervative parts of its clergy. Also, this leads me to the next point :

    4- d : The pedophilia thing. This is already very debated in the other comments, so I’m not gonna get in the details, but clearly not a good look.

    4- e: Catholics in majority protestant country

    Ecumenical debates pass over the heads of most christians, who just go with the form of christianity that is the “default” in their country/region. But what about those raised in families that hold on to their religions where it is a minority? This point seems important to me because a lot of the debates about Catholiscism I see online are really about catholicism in the USA, where it is a minority. In such countries, catholics will usually be seen as more pious and conservative than other christians, and quite often they’ll be, for several reasons :

    • Principle of selection: A family that is just vaguely christian, upon immigrating, could’ve converted to better integrate. If they didn’t, it’s either because their specific belief was important to them personally, or because the community in which they integrated was mostly of other catholics, making it a solidarity factor which in turn increases its importance.

    • Sense of responsability : If holding a belief is an active choice rather than going with the flow, believers will tend to give it more mind. They may feel they have more of a personal responsability to uphold it. This can culminate in what’s known as “siege mentality”: People who feel like an important part of their way of life or their belief system is threatened will react with fervor, oftem violence. This is why so many religious or political speech relies on tropes such as “They’re trying to steal/destroy/corrupt our thing!”

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    I have mixed feelings on the Catholic church and religion in general.

    My father was an academic with a disdain for Catholicism, but my wife is a devout (though non-evangelical) Catholic. I decided to attend Mass just for the hell of it (ok maybe not the best choice of words?) and noticed the church in question had a desperate need for musicians. I play violin, so I wound up joining their music ministry.

    I’m still not Catholic (let alone religious) to this day. When cornered, I say I’m a practicing non-Catholic (as opposed to the far more common non-practicing Catholic), as I attend weekly music practices. I understand all of my father’s well-reasoned arguments against, most of which are still all-too-relevant. Otoh I have to acknowledge that my church experience has been a net positive. I made contacts within the Irish Catholic community and started playing in Celtic bands and such. As an introvert, I don’t think any of this would’ve happened by default, and it’s been quite a ride.

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      That’s the double edge sword of religious communities. They are actual communities with real people doing real people things. It just sucks about the whole religious aspect of it. Growing up in a religious community, I miss it a bit. Built-in friendships with regular meet-ups.

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    I personally have nothing against belief sets and organizations that are factually and morally correct. I would much rather simply be a good person instead of abiding by the arbitrary merits of any belief system contingent on a supernatural entity. Belief in absurdities increases proclivity to commit atrocities.

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    I can’t speak for all of Lemmy, but I am against the Catholic Church for a number of reasons. They hid child abuse for decades (centuries?) by shuffling around the offenders, essentially protecting them from any consequences. They accept donations with the explicit stated reason to perform charitable acts, but the percentage they actually spend on charity is so small it would be illegal in a lot of places if an actual non-profit did it. They hold back science. Though it’s not a requirement, many practice circumcision, which is essentially mutilating a child. I could probably keep going, but that’s enough.

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      they do not hold back science at all they do MULTIPLE charities in foreign countries, I have seen them with my very own eyes

      and the shuffling around is at a diocesan level in the US, not the vatican

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          can you give me the timestamp when he says the catholic church sent a priest to silence him?

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            It’s a short video, and I found his speech pretty moving, I’d recommend watching it in its entirety.

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            At this point, I am 100% positive you are sea lioning. Just to let you know, you’re not very good at it.

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        Ooooh… multiple charities… how generous!!!

        The catholic church is only estimated to be worth $2.5 trillion (and they have their own country).

        To put that in perspective, that’s enough money to spend $1 every second for ~79000 years.

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        I didn’t say they don’t do charity, I said the percentage of their donations they actually spend on charity would be criminal for a non-profit.

        The child abuse and coverup problem is absolutely not limited to the US:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases

        Whether one thinks the church holds back science is mostly a matter of opinion. It seemed like you were asking for opinions, so I offered mine. If you were looking to debate, I’d maybe reword your original post so you don’t come across as sea lioning. The relationship between the church and science is complex, and to me, the bad outweighs the good.

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          well, depends on what you count as “charity”. They need to pay for the food of the charity workers, their housing, etc and actual charity, which is usually not logged or kept track of that much, no one notes down a starving childs name before giving him bread to eat

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    If you change the question to “please demonstrate why social media was a bad idea” you got some great answers in this thread.