people wernt alarmed when most countries abandoned thier climate goals/initiatives like years ago.
i miss snow
Just said this to my elderly neighbour this evening. Even my eldest kids have seen fuck all snow in their lifetime. We once woke my daughter in the middle of the night for snow is how rare it’s gotten here.
I remember walking around in 30cm / a foot of snow as a kid.
Good news! Once the Atlantic current collapse occurs the UK will be cold as hell, too!
The golf stream?
So fucking selfish man…
Do you people not even consider that billionaires got to buy another yacht? Or another island? You dirty communists just want to stop these billionaires from owning a 65th yacht just so you can what? Not sweat to death? … fucking selfish people…
I think this kind of replay only works in favor of turning off any productive conversations
While I understand the importance of having productive conversations I was just making a dumb joke hoping to make someone laugh at a shitty situation. I wasn’t really looking to have a conversation about whether we should keep kicking the can down the road.
Good comedy is used to make humour out of real-world problems. That’s what a comedian should be doing.
Illustrating the problem in such a way causes laughter and joy, but it also plants a seed of thoughts into a person’s mind.
The phrase, “it’s funny because it’s true”, yeah, say an auditorium of 1,000+ thought that, a good portion of those people are now going to be thinking about that point for a very long time.
It’s not this guy’s responsibility to foster productive conversations around Global Warming.
South Park mirrors this. Since its a show which acts as social commentary and pokes fun at current events, they did Al Gore dirty and made fun of him for supposedly believing in imaginary climate change (man bear pig). 10 years later, they made episodes saying he was right.
FWIW Al gore was particularly full of shit. Totally motivated by his own profits. He basically freaked people out and then offered them a way to keep doing what they were doing and just pay him to absolve them of guilt. Essentially the pope of climate change.
Carbon offsets are a scam and humanity is the victim.
The solution was never going to involve “keep doing what you’re doing”.
There is also a futurama episode about global warming.
It is what it is.
Scientists and experts have tried for 50+ years to warn about it but now it is what it is.
The Greenhouse Gas Effect should have been enough. Altering the reflective properties of the atmosphere and increasing the energy budget of the planet surely must be a terrible idea.
But do we know that it is a terrible idea?
They looked back in time to show that historically more CO2 means increased temperature and changes in the climate system that we may not want.
They looked forward in time to simulate how our emissions will lead to a hotter climate and how it might change in ways we might not want.
They even took all these models that admittedly vary and depend on initial conditions and assumptions and they combined them all so that we aren’t sensitive to only one kind of model and method.
Still, people think we cannot know such things.
It is what it is. But one thing I do know for sure is that we have lost the excuse to go back and question things. We can’t say “If only we were warned”. “If someone really knew, why didn’t they say anything?” “Why weren’t they more persuasive?” This has been screeched about for most of our lives. Every single person on the planet knows about it. Any skepticism and doubt has been explicitly against the advice of those who know. We chose not to listen.
It is what it is, but I will spend what little money I have and what little democratic say I have to move us into a world with less emmisions. It may be too late, but I’d like to be able to sleep at night.
most people are experimental physicists. they need to see the outcome to believe it. merely predicting it is not enough.
I bet you there will be a lot of people saying they haven’t been warned properly. They could not have known it would be THAT bad.
I have no hope, that the system will change in time for us or those who come after us; humans and other walks of life. But I still do things and make choices, that mitigate my impact on the planet. Not because I think I can steer us away from this path, but because it is the right thing to do. I am morally obligated to do it even if the result does not change and I take a weak solace in that fact. And of course it always matters whether we hit 3, 4, 5 or 8 degrees above pre-industrial mean to other evolutions of life.
Yeah, I have no sympathy. If you can’t handle me flaming you for being a sleepwalking dipshit then you haven’t fucking learned anything, you’re just jumping on the zeitgeist because you’re a fucking parrot.
I’ve had nightmares about climate change since I was about 10 years old. I’m 32 now. I have been watching everyone around me sleepwalk into this as if nothing matters, now I’m expected to feel bad for this fucking monkey because they’ve suddenly woken up?
No, fuck that and fuck them — this type of person is the reason fascism is winning around the world.
For me personally the tipping point was when research showed large amounts of methane escaping the thawing ice. We really can’t reverse something on that level, we’re on damage control and assholes are still refusing to control for damage.
Yeah… Gets pretty old pretty quick hearing my older relatives scepticism around climate change while our seasons get visibly more extreme year over year.
Heatwaves of >30C were literally unheard in my area when I was younger, yet now they occur multiple times in a single summer.
And same with the cold snaps in the winter. It was rare when I was younger, and now it also happens multiple times a winter.
Its like people see all this and yet still can’t put two and two together that maybe this is the climate change scientists have been crazily screaming into the apathetic void about for the last half a century.
And worse still, some will say “its natural for the climate to change over time”. Which is true… OVER CENTURIES of geological time!! These extreme climate changes over the matter of a couple of decades are not the same as the natural shifts in climate over time!
In the 80s while growing up, 30°C in Vienna, Austria was a real heatwave.
We’ve hit 40°C before summer even officially started this year.
A 30C heatwave happened once per century before the year 2000. There was one in 1976 and they talked about that one for decades. Then after 2000 it became normal and now we just had one in spring.
Of course many folks jump up you just have to adapt to the changing weather. Yes, we’re adapting. Events get canceled because of heat or thunder storms. Schools and public instances are holding out their hands for more tax money for cooling. Turns out, that was not the adapting they had in mind.
My well-educated dad used to deny climate change as late as maybe 10 years ago. Recently he always goes real quiet whenever the topic comes up, and doesn’t raise it himself anymore. I wish it would feel good as a late win.
Same here. I used to talk politics with my family, but over the past two years it’s slowly brought up less and less and they’re not nearly as enthusiastic as they were before. It’s hard to feel good about that when everything is objectively worse.
If I hear a boomer tell me about how now they’re taking this all seriously, and scared?
I’m going to laugh in their face and tell them the truth, which is that they are in fact probably going to die horribly.
Oh and also, its their fault, personally.
… ideally, all while eating an avocado, whole.
A relative of mine lives in the north. He was so excited for winter, he was gonna finally compete in a dog sled race (well, assist another competitor, which he knew was a gateway for him). He had this whole roadtrip planned to Idaho for it and based his entire winter around making it happen.
Now, if you don’t follow the weather in Idaho (I know I didn’t), you might not know they canceled several dog sled races this year due to lack of snow. All across the country apparently a bunch got cancelled.
Guy is still repping his Maga pride, even after pointing out Trump’s coal fetish is directly responsible for his winter being ruined, it doesn’t click.
Outdoors is a lost cause, time to start digging tunnels.
Everyone will be yearning for the mines when it’s 40C outside.
Scientists have been raising the alarm since the late 70s. It’s been 50 years.
“It’s not real until I notice it” is, unfortunately, a feature of human psychology. The good news is that the evidence is undeniable now and more and more people are waking up to the fact that our way of living is unsustainable. There’s still hope we can rise up and rein this in before complete collapse.
This might actually be part of our ability to think abstractly. Apparently prior generations (circa 1900) had a more difficult time with abstract ideas. I wonder if this apparent selfishness is more of a lack of capability
Dont forget big oil has spent an ungodly amount of money on keeping the general populace skeptical of reality. Punishment for that is long over due and I have no hope it ever will.
It clicks anew for people every single day, my brothers and sisters
Still not gonna do anything about it.
Obviously. Global warming is already uncomfortable, let’s not add to that.
Your nihilism is tedious, even though it may be fashionable
You’re more nihilistic than me, you just lie to yourself about it. The systems you live under, that keep you from touching pure reality at any point, are all incompatible with fixing the problem. Nothing but a revolution allows the possibility of human survival, and as fucked as we are right now, the odds are still long. I’m doing the work. I’m doing the work basically alone and unsupported.
While you cheerlead fucking paper straws or whatever and call me out for not being cheery. I’d tell you to kill yourself, but looking at the numbers; you’re well on your way already. Perhaps already over the edge, and just waiting to hit the metaphorical ground.
Now, ask yourself if I give a single solitary fuck what some edgelord on the internet thinks
You’re doing a great job!
Well, I maybe have good news for this person… AMOC collapse is an anticipated effect of global warming and it would paradoxically make it much, much colder in Ireland. As in “Ice Age” colder.
When?
The problem with climate change models:
Climate science is science. It works on what’s tested confirmed and very known. It is a method for being very sure and understanding pretty deeply before you speak confidently, and revising that confidence when necessary.
What’s going on is unprecedented total destructing of an unfathomably complicated planetary scale systems from physics its difficult to model. We barely predict accurate weather a week out with computers, and that was before we scrapped all the sensors (defunded NOAA) and tasked all the super computers to making bespoke CSAM.
So there’s a lot of things we don’t think to include in the model, a lot of interactions we didn’t even know were happening or how they would fuck up, and a lot of runaway feedback loops we didn’t gave data to model. And a scientist with integrity can only add what they know is there. They can’t add an allowance for ‘shit we didn’t think of, and we never think of everything’ even though they reliably do not think of everything, because we’re constantly surprised by things we couldn’t model or didn’t think of previously. The amount of co2 released when permafrost thaws was not included in older models, and if it had been we couldn’t have known how much there would be before it started.
So the models, even the pessimistic models, will never be as grim as reality. They can’t be. They’re based on what we already know for sure, and cwe are looking at a flock of black swans’ is not something one can model with scientific integrity. The disaster is moving too fast, with over a century’s momentum.
This is an immediate existential threat, and if you do not exercise all violence your conscience permits against the people most responsible concluding every billionaire, extraction exec, congressman, right wing politician (jimbob down the street who rolls coal and works on an oil rig doesn’t move the needle. Fuck him, but he won’t move the needle. dont take his murder from the kids he’s raping)
Jfc,all those acronyms,i though csam was some kind of weather related phenomenon…
Two days before the day after tmrw.
Take a scientist’s estimate and watch as a select few in power with no self-preservation instinct divide that number in half.
That’s the trillion-Euro question, and the answer so far is “between 15 years and never,” but some researchers have said they are seeing early signs of the current weakening. It’s a controversial topic in climate research, but it’s one of lose “low probability, high impact” events that can’t be safely ignored.
It does not conclude it would make it much, much colder. It concludes the collapse would reduce the addition of heat from AMOC to the area but does not seem to include heat addition from anything else, like global warming itself. AMOC collapse may just offset heating from elsewhere. It is not confidently known what will happen. But we’ll likely get to find out first hand.
That’s pretty pedantic. If AMOC stops supplying heat, of course Western Europe will get colder. We don’t know exactly by how much or what other effects are in play by then, but it stands to reason Western Europe will get much colder than if they still had AMOC
Would the area AMOC pumps heats from also get hotter? Given their hot water won’t be pulled to a colder location, get cooled and come back down.
I assume it’s a double whammy
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