It’s weird because Switzerland is one of the most armed countries in Europe, as in they have firearms but barely any shootings of any kind (so you don’t often hear news equivalent to a guy shooting students in a classroom or killing people at a shopping mall over there). Part of it has to do with the draft (most people who purchase firearms have a form of training, as they learnt how to properly handle them during military service).
Because nearly all of those arms are under lock and key. They don’t exist for fun shooting. They are federal property which is stored in the homes of reservists in case they are called in. Like they have their uniform and other items for their countries defence at home for this event. And people don’t have the ammunition for it, which would be supplied at the assembly locations when push comes to shove.
Who needs ammo when you’ve got a pointy stick?
Don’t underestimate those guys. They are highly motivated and trained, and excellent at crowd control.
That’s… Not really true.
The gov’t supplies ammunition, yes. But you can also quite legally buy your own ammunition. And you can take your military rifle to a range to practice.
Oh they have guns but no ammo?
Nope. The gun is government property, stored alongside uniform and other things at every reservists home. In case of an attack, they will assemble at predetermined locations and supplied with ammo. Same with training. And woe to you if you use the gun for private purposes.
So the reason is sensible gun laws
switzerland has mandatory military service, a small population, and is higher per capita wealth. their quality of life is among the highest in the world and swiss gun culture is very responsible and chill.
USA is the opposite of most of that.
People in Switzerland have a bit of discipline, common sense and a baseline of education.
That, and also likely better mental healthcare, less laws that would cause situations where someone can be pushed over the edge, etc…
I would assume better social safety nets, less income disparity, and less economic and social stress on their less well off members of society. Pretty sure their society doesn’t idolize criminals and antisocial people either.
Crazy what Nazi gold will buy you
At least the Swiss bought love and understanding; US Americans would buy a tomahawk 78 handgun with hatchet uploader, a 43 telescope visor with an automatic built-in HUK flamethrower and grenade catapult… and bring it to their daughter’s wedding.
And a magnum 53, a box of handgrenades and an ice cream as bonus. And a bonus card.
Difficult to shoot that guy you don’t like when there’s a mountain in the way
Probably Switzerland has less morons
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I want to use the word ‘less’, so I’ll change it to “less moronicism”
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Who’s doing the shootings in the US?
Pigs
The Swiss, obviously
Over 60% of gun deaths in the US are suicides. Of the shooting deaths remaining, the overwhelming majority are committed by police. The overwhelming majority of “mass shootings” that are counted in statistics are committed by police.
But I can tell you’re not here to participate in good faith discussion; you just want to hear strangers on the internet say what you think.
14-24 year old impoverished young men forced to live in urban hellscapes with no legitimate opportunity for economic advancement comprise the bulk of both murderer and murdered.
It’s almost like systematically forcing people into desperation results in profound violence.
Yes! This narrows the original question down to addressing some very tangible and specific problems
Mostly white christian males
Wrong answer but you are playing to the crowd and I appreciate that
Most of the indiscriminate terrorist style mass shootings are white christian males, age 18-35, the majority of the criminal activity related (eg drug sales) is from black men age 18-30. Most of the gun deaths are from suicide, which is largely white men, but still high for black men.
Most preventable child deaths in the US are from guns, however the vast majority from accidental gun discharge, not violence.
Yeah none of that really rebutes what I said
It wasn’t supposed to
I’m just going to repost my comment above because I think you should read it too and might not see it otherwise:
Not here to participate in good faith
“Good faith” here is saying that there is no correlation between institutional racism and gun violence? That the socioethnic group that’s specifically been calling out for years about about the lack of effective policing and community investment is just… making it up?
Did you actually think I was here to make some “muh fbi statistics” point and dip?
The point that I was trying to make is that there is one minority group that commits the majority of gun violence in the US, which is young, black, opportunity-deprived black men. The biggest victim of gun violence is black men. The biggest perpetrator of gun violence is black men. The most common form of gun violence is black man on black man. The reasons for why gun violence is so prevalent have been well understood for decades at this point and are the legacies of segregation, white flight, and contemporary institutional racism. Acting like these aren’t connected, that gun violence is something that happens at random with no correlation to social power structures, and that, as a result, black men aren’t the specified victims of it (as both immediate victim and victim of circumstances (re: attacker)), accomplishes nothing and ensures that more black men will die, disproportionately, every day because you’re too scared to identify an uncomfortable correlation.
Because they have a better culture than the US does.
I think it’s a combination of factors but the largest (in my mind at least) is the capitalist fed toxically-independent mindset that has thrived in the US. It keeps people afraid of other people. It keeps them isolated which prevents community and safety and trust. It sows xenophobia. It prevents any preference toward a government collective.
Take a look at the difference between US towns and towns anywhere else in the world. Suburbs are extremely rural in comparison. They’re re devoid of life. Life only exists in the little boxes. In Europe a town of 300 is built around an active town center and rural properties are all focused on that center. US suburbs are less connected than rural Europe or Asia. And then much of the US is way more rural than the suburbs. You’ve got a media and political system telling everyone they’re alone and on their own. So when people have a psychotic break (not super uncommon) or just some form of extreme emotion, they do so with the fear of others in mind. And they lash out with one thing that makes them feel powerful in their solitude.
the vast majority of americans live in cities dude. only 20% of the population is rural.
My mom (if she were still here) would say it’s from Reagan taking money out of mental health.
It always seems to go back to Reagan.
My mom would say it’s from the fall of man and America turning away from God. Your mom seems smarter than mine.
Your mom seems like the reason why there are so many mass shootings in the USA
The “your mom” jokes are getting really cryptic. I’m completely OOTL.
If the loop is “your mom”
Are you implying that you trying to get back in the loop is you fucking that guy’s mom?
If so it might have been better to if I remained “too afraid to ask”
Not cryptic enough, we need to go deeper… Into that guy’s mom
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Society is extremely different. They are sensible people there…
common sense
You got part of it. The Swiss get formal training during their military service, and understand that owning a gun is a responsibility and an obligation, not a right. They have a sense of duty around their ownership.
But another big part is that nobody on the planet fetishizes guns like the US. Guns are a symbol of virility, of sexual prowess, of “American Freedom.” Facebook recently showed me a reel by a woman who poses (nude) on OnlyFans with guns and motorcycles. That is a profoundly US mindset. (And of course the guns are assault rifles.)
Only in the US and a few other pockets of rednecks are guns fetishized.
This always annoys me about the US. A gun is a tool. There is nothing inherently political about owning one. I own a lump hammer and a sickle but that doesn’t necessarily make me a communist. I just occasional need to bang things and chop things.
You missed the countries those rednecks ironically hate, because they share so much. They both want to impose their version of religious law, both fetishize guns, both hate women, and both have some serious problems with closeted POS.
“Most armed country in Europe” is still a pretty different category from the level of gun ownership in the US and they have CONSIDERABLY higher standards for background checking and permits than the US. The US is one of the only country on earth that just lets some random walk into a store and walk out with a firearm.
False. 4473.
Im going to guess there are fewer desperate, discarded, angry people in Switzerland.
Yeah, guns are the tools and not the root cause. Significant income disparity, racism, social pressures, and a ton of other triggers cause murders and suicides and while guns enable them there still needs to be something that causes someone to use the guns in that way.
Violent crime that doesn’t involve guns in the US is significantly higher than other western countries.
Same with hard drugs, and the associated crime… they’re a symptom, not the root cause. Hard drugs are used to escape reality. If there’s fewer reasons to escape, usage drops dramatically.
