Original comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1uyyywv/comment/oy3cgd7/
Trees vs. Data Centers
Photo 1: Memphis, TN (top)
Photo 2: Sandston, VA
Photo 3: Abilene, Texas
Photo 4: New Albany, OH
Photo 5: Fayetteville, GA
Makes me sad
This behaviour is exactly why parts of the world are literary on fire right now. It’s not just the loss of trees, its the other impacts of these data centers too, such as increased use of fossil fuels.
And the sprawl encouraged by such development leads to a longer interface between wild and built environments which is more space to defend from wildfires
This is not mild. This is infuriating.
Sorry shady, I meant trees causing shade
Nothing mild about this
Not even solar panels on the roofs.
Not even panels over the parking lots.
There’s all this talk of solar-powered space-based orbital data centers , but they can’t be bothered to put up cheaper, simpler, grid-relieving ground-based solar, on the real estate they’ve already got, when that would start producing some juice like right now? How does this make any sense?
Devils advocate, I don’t agree with this, but maybe because first to market and innovating quickly gets more money? The solar panels would be a bigger up front cost (they gotta make sure the building is rated for it, buy a bunch of wires if it’s out in a field, etc) than just paying the city for 6 months-3 years of electricity vs how much the return will be in the timed bubble we have?
I don’t think that’s a good business decision unless you think what you’re making isn’t going to last…. But maybe they know the bubble will pop and don’t wanna invest long term? It’s just dumb or evil.
As long as they continue to spout pie-in-the-sky for-realsies gonna-be-fantastic totally-not-gonna-fall-apart-like-half-Elon’s-schemes plans for the future, they don’t have to spend ANY money on stuff like ground-based solar panel arrays, and they get more investors who get suckered by the pitch too!
VC money
Because solar on the roof won’t even be noticable against their power footprint. Given current practices, each square foot of a datacenter would need about 1,000 times more square footage worth of solar.
It’s just that somehow if they get to go to space, they decide they suddenly just need like two servers in a ‘datacenter’ instead of thousands. And they need to go to space because Elon says (checks notes) that it’s too hard to make more natural gas turbine parts…
Because solar on the roof won’t even be noticable against their power footprint. Given current practices, each square foot of a datacenter would need about 1,000 times more square footage worth of solar.
But (as I’m sure you realize) this would mean every watt from on-premises solar could get put to use immediately, no batteries, no power-grid buy-back schemes. Making those solar panels an unusually good investment.
Unless they’re not planning to keep it running for very long.
It smells un-serious, somehow.
Just like vaccines, some things need to be done in scale to reach their true effectiveness.
That one facility will always be as net negative for the grid. But with panels on all the other buildings in the area that aren’t a power sap, it would be significantly better.
We’re getting to the point where roof top solar is relatively cheap and worth the effort. I mean, there’s fucking fields near me that they clear cut and put ground based solar panels on, and it was profitable enough for the farmers to lease the land, and the company that owns the panels to get their nut. And a lot of those field based panel arrays are equivalent to, if not smaller than the massive Amazon warehouses we have nearby.
If large corporations pay their fucking taxes and did their fair share of infrastructure investment we wouldn’t even be having a conversation about global warming or about where we’re going to get energy for fucking stupid worthless data centers. The energy is in the fucking sky it’s free goddamn giant nuclear reactor you just need to put panels on top of shit to harvest it.
At this point in climate change time, it is criminal neglect to 1. clear a forest, 2. build a big steel/concrete box on it and then 3. don’t even put a green roof or solar roof. We need to be heading towards climate trials and people deciding this crap today still in companies with a near infinite capital available deserve life in jail without airco.
Even if it’s nowhere near a majority of the power, I’m surprised passive cooling from solar plus some electricity isn’t worthwhile enough to be universal. It’s a small impact, but also cheap enough it’ll pay for itself, and many orders of magnitude more efficient than trying to get a datacenter into space, and figure out how to cool it
Especially since they’re looking for space for solar installations, farmers have started installing them, power companies and coops. Seems financially stupid to leave that much space unused when solar farms would go right on top.
And especially because elon owns a solar panels company and he loves to transfer money between his companies
The roof might be used for cooling, which is probably be a better use of space for a datacenter roof.
Ah yes Elon savior of the environment…
Is there a /c/extremelydepressing? This would go perfectly there.
c/actually_infuriating@lemmy.world
That’s just world news.
I wouldn’t really categorize rampant ecological destruction as something calling for merely mild annoyance
Yeah it needs to be c/extremelyinfuriating
c/pants-shittinglymaddening
Agree
To be fair. This isn’t an AI issue. Or a data center issue. It’s an everywhere issue. If there is a plot of land, it will be leveled and something will be built. Strip mall. Gas station. Houses. So many houses. It’s never ending. If that piece of land can make money, it will be clear cut and built on.
The use of passive voice throughout your comment is almost impressive.
What do those other buildings provide that data centers don’t?
I get what you are saying. I know. But that strip mall is gonna have a parking lot the size Montana. It will contain 2 mattress stores, a noodle place and a denture store. The noodle place will go out of business and shutdown. The other 3 will remain open for the next 12 years by magic or something, cause you never see a single person there. We need housing yes. Affordable housing. The houses that the forest was cleared for will be 500k plus, contractor grade, where you get to choose from 3 designs, and its built off a two lane road that is never improved to handle a 1000 home neighborhood. At least, that is all that is popping up around me.
Id rather have the forest any day.
Not OP, but houses provide housing. Strip malls provide spaces for local businesses. Data center literally provide nothing to the local community they are built in other than stress on existing utilities. It’s not like factories of yore where 1k jobs would be created and lives were built around it.
Winner, winner, chicken dinner!
Haha yeah that’s exactly what I was getting at.
Traffic and excessive stormwater runoff.
Using the data centers when you posted this, classic sign of these times
You’re joking right? These are AI data centers and such. They aren’t hosting general public cloud servers.
Your posts go to ai, no? Ai is scraping this site/app. Anything you post on here… Ai is taking too some degree. Directly or not you are helping Ai. It was mostly in jest but wow you all went hard with downvotes which I guess you deep down assume means something real. The new age of online discussion forums is wild.
There is no greater threat to humanity, than humanity itself. There is so much evidence of this throughout history, and yet we have collectively learnt nothing from it. As a species, we are the most destructive force in existence, and time and time again the value of the almighty dollar, that we ourselves have created, is put first above all else. Even the existence of the only known planet that we can successively survive on, is put behind the priority of the dollar.
On the plus side, at least there’s no bloody rain in Melbourne this weekend!
at least there’s no bloody rain in Melbourne this weekend!
I should hope there’s no bloody rain…
(Sorry not sorry I had to. I needed a chuckle)
Yesyes but have you seen that shareholder value??
OpenAI literally desertified the area?
After picture is taken during fall or winter. The areas of dirt you see is just what every single construction site looks like.
You took this from Reddit’s r/interestingasfuck and posted it to c/mildlyinteresting? Clearly neither is a good fit because this isn’t interesting at all.
Not to be that guy but you can easily find something a thousand times worse with suburbia than some measly data centers.
Those things eat up land at a much larger scale than anything else aside from farming or logging.
Regardless of any similarities, are you actually comparing places where human beings live with empty buildings that eat unlimited power and water and terrorize the communities they infiltrate?
The “not to be that guy” people have never once come in good faith.
You could literally do this with anything since the Roman empire
Looks like they cleared the area with agent orange 😌
This is violence against the bulk of humanity
