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The vegans mostly hate this. Which is probably why no one cares about outspoken vegans
Oh no why won’t the corpsemunchers like me 😢
Calling people who eat meat ‘corpsemunchers’ is definitely going to convince them to change, yep
Worked on me 🤷 be honest about what you are so you know why you should change
So now you eat only vegetable corpses ?
“I’m against animal abuse, except when I like their taste”
Your stance will lead to more animal abuse instead of less, exactly as explained in the post
And letting people imply that you can be vegan and eat meat will weaken the stance of veganism until it’s like vegetarianism now, with vegetarians saying that they can eat fish, or meat that they don’t buy, or insects, or or or
ye shaming people always works
And hypocrisy always leads to change.
Since when reducing 90% of their meat intake is being a hypocrite? It’s objectively reducing the suffering of animals.
I don’t eat much meat because I know that morally it’s the correct choice, but personally I don’t care for the animals that died when I do eat meat. I’m completely aware that their murder is fueling my tastebuds, and I don’t hide it. I don’t think I’ll ever go full vegan unless the food offering changes, because I personally don’t care enough for the animals. I’d say that rn I’m 90% vegetarian, meaning that I probably eat meat only once a week.
Call me whatever you will but saying that eating meat once a week is better for animals than eating it every day is objectively true, and I’m not a hypocrite for promoting the reduction of meat intake.
Idk how long you’ve been alive bilut the reduction of meta intake in Europe has been notorious in the last 20 years. The biggest impact is not from people going cold turkey, it’s from all the families that reduce their intake by half. So yeah, meat intake reduction IS having an impact.
By the way, where is the hypocrisy in the post?
Since when reducing 90% of their meat intake is being a hypocrite? It’s objectively reducing the suffering of animals.
no, it’s not. even being vegan doesn’t reduce the suffering of animals.
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That’s a more debatable thing. You’d have a necessity to not change, which makes it less immoral obviously, but it does put into perspective the question of the worth of a life, and whether a human life is worth a lifetime of meat eating/killing.
But that’s not the case for a huge majority of people, so I would call this an edge case which is less obvious. Not everything is obviously good or bad, some areas are grey, but it doesn’t mean that some areas aren’t. Eating meat for personal pleasure/comfort is obviously immoral, once everyone aligns behind this we can start debating the edge cases.
Also, people like you would typically be a good reason to keep on developing cellular meat, independently from vegetal alternatives to meat.
that’s not the case for a huge majority of people
you don’t know what others need
I know that most humans are not unable to survive without meat, it’s basic biology and nutrition.
survival needs are the very bottom of the hierarchy
What are you even talking about?
Other than survival needs, nothing warrants killing and eating sentient beings, in case you were suggesting otherwise. And if you were, then your morals are completely fucked up.
Other than survival needs, nothing warrants killing and eating sentient beings
most people don’t do that, anyway. but you’re asserting this without evidence, so it can be dismissed without evidence as well
In a sense they’re not wrong, but it depends on what is actually happening, and what the person’s attitude is. It’s good to pursue a lifestyle that’s increasingly less dependent on animal products, even if imperfect. But is an actual progression occurring? It can often be the case, especially with dietary things, that a person will do something they believe is good once, and then treat themselves with a “cheat” day three times to that one good choice.
My change didn’t happen overnight. But I approached it the same way that I did when I quit smoking: I kept track of how long I went without eating animal products. When I messed up and caved in, I would start over at 0 the very next day, and resolve to go even more days without animal products than I had done on the previous attempt.
One of the larger barriers I had to break through was an anxiety about nutrition. By that point I had a pretty firm grasp of nutritional science already, and knew that people can get all of their nutrients from plants. Consciously I knew better. But unconsciously there was still this wild fear as to whether or not I could keep living on plants only. It felt dangerous. I was going up against a lifetime of propaganda.
The last time I intentionally ate meat was some pepperoni. At that point I had gotten so used to living on plants that it didn’t taste the same anymore. For one, it turned out at least for me, that after being without meat for long enough, it didn’t smell the same anymore. The odor became more rotten. It didn’t and doesn’t matter how fresh the meat is, it all smells like putrefying carcass now. That was one thing that made the pepperoni taste off. The other was that apparently I had gotten used to having less salt in my diet, because it was a completely overpowering, disgusting salt bomb.
And something had clicked in my head by that point. As I was eating it I kept thinking, “Why am I doing this? I’m not even enjoying it. I don’t need it. This isn’t right.” So I stopped eating it, and I haven’t felt the need to consume any animal body parts ever again.
Anyway, I think where things become frustrating depends on how a person is framing their habits. If it’s something like, “I’m trying, I am working on doing better,” then it’s understandable. But if it sounds more like the person is trying to justify eating animals or their products, and they’re either talking about it in a way where they’re trying to seek validation or using “militant vegans” as a strawman to criticise (see: the majority of the comments here) - that kind of makes it hard to remain diplomatic.
In cases like the latter, why are you so preoccupied with what other people think? It’s not about vegans, it’s about the animals. Going vegan requires going against an immense tide of social pressure, and that burden will never go away. You need to learn to think for yourself. Because when you do, you can look more objectively at how humankind treats every other species of sentient being on the planet and use your own internal moral compass to finally recognize what’s right in front of your face: it is wrong to eat them. It is wrong to exploit them. What happens in factory farms and slaughterhouses is horrific. And it can never stop until we stop supporting it.
It’s a hard conversation because y’all are demanding we tiptoe around a vast injustice that is urgent and actively resulting in the extreme suffering and deaths of billions every year. That’s not even getting into the other issues like health problems, environmental destruction, and pandemic and zoonotic disease potential.
it is wrong to eat them
this is stated without any supporting evidence, and can be dismissed without any evidence.
But never announce it on social media. The purists will fight you.
vegans as well as linux users are nowhere near as outspoken and petty as they are made out to be. personally i find jokes about that insufferable and ubiquitous. The ratio of jokes about this to actually people like this existing is like 100:1. my theory is, They get so much shit because them just existing reminds people of their own shortcommings, instead of applauding people doing the effort to pioneer a better world these people decide to make a snarky remark and continue being lazy and annoying with these jokes.
I know quite a few vegans in my life who are amazing, nonjudgmental people. On Lemmy, I’ve been called a “murderer” and a “carnist” for mentioning I’m reducing my meat consumption.
Doesn’t carnist just mean someone who eats meat?
It does. It’s just a word for people who follow the belief that it’s normal, natural, and necessary to consume animals.
Since those people are the invisible majority, it’s often taken as an insult to have their ‘normal’ status get a label. Veganism is the belief that we shouldn’t exploit and harm animals, carnism is the belief that we should.
Which is hilarious in hindsight, because the reverse happens in other topics. Call someone in other circles ‘normal’ and they’ll throw 15 label names at you for why they’re not normal.
Carnism would still technically cover “vegan plus (animal-based) bacon”. That’s kinda like saying you’re an atheist but believe in (insert god here).
Carnism would still technically cover “vegan plus (animal-based) bacon”
And this all-or-nothing approach is precisely what I’m referring to. I consider myself pretty well-read, and the only time I’ve ever seen the word “carnist” used in the wild is when someone who’s vegan is hurling it as an insult
Sorry to break it to you, but if you believe that the Christian god exists yet don’t think there was ever a guy named Jesus that rose from the dead after 3 days, you’re still a theist even if you call it atheist.
And if you think it’s acceptable to kill pigs because you like their cooked bodies, you’re still practicing carnism even if you call it veganism.
no. it’s a term made up by vegans to describe people who don’t have their ideology. just like how Christians talk about sinners
Yeah, most terms are made up. In this case the alternative is “non-vegan non-vegetarian” so I think making up a shorter term is worthwhile lol
all terms are made up. this one in particular was made up by vegans to identify non-believers.
Vegans have the worst PR department ever
I’ve never encountered a group I mostly agree with that I want to avoid more
I’ve been a strict Vegan for over a decade now and even i tend to stay away from the crowd. It’s a bit better offline, but depends on how much any person needs to boost their ego by signaling moral pureness.
This is such a conundrum for me because I absolutely support people eating less animals and animal produced products but veganism is not a diet it is a philisophy. You are not vegan if you do this and you should not call yourself vegan. Dilution of the term IS harmful. At its core veganism is the belief that animals should not be exploited for anything under any circumstances. They have every right to this earth as we do and it is our responsibility to insure their lives are not harmed by us.
Veganism is a philosophy to you, but maybe not to others.
What genuine difference does it make to you if someone goes 100% vegan as a dietary choice? Your personal goal is still fulfilled by them no longer eating meat, regardless of whether they agree with you or not philosophically.
trying to wean myself of genocide one bit at a time
the issue here is that it frames veganism as someone trying to become better by denying themselves treats, when in reality it’s someone becoming less of a monster by not denying others the right to life.
vegans are not good people because they’re vegans, veganism is only about not committing evil. It’s literally the absolute minimum. Carnists are evil, but it is so normalized people don’t see it that way.
vegans are not denying themselves cheese, we simply are not denying a baby the right to live.
The focus in veganism, like with every liberation movement, should be on the oppressed and not the treatlerites trying to be a bit less brutal. And that’s my issue with this tweet. Babystepping is for libs and people don’t get a pat on the back for no longer being part of the cow genocide. Either you have solidarity with the oppressed, in which case you’d be horrified at the thought of eating bacon, or you’re still looking at yourself and what you’re ““sacrificing””. Centering once again the humans when its about non-human animal liberation.
Either you have solidarity with the oppressed, in which case you’d be horrified at the thought of eating bacon, or you’re still looking at yourself and what you’re ““sacrificing””. Centering once again the humans when its about non-human animal liberation.
Oof. I want to print this out and frame it.
After being vegan for several years, it just hit me one day. I was thinking about how when I was a carnist, I felt like I had a right to eat a cow or a pig if I wanted to. That sense of entitlement to someone else’s body is insane!
But you’re still “the crazy one” for pointing it out. And don’t you dare break the norms of civility pointing out the mass murder and enslavement that is animal ag.
Because that’s plant-based plus bacon. Veganism is an ethos, not a diet.
Silly downvoters. You’re absolutely right. Veganism has diet as a component, but at its core is a desire to limit harm to animals in every possible aspect.
If you eat only plants/mushrooms, but still buy leather shoes, down pillows, or wool socks - that’s not veganism, that’s just following a plant-based diet. The two concepts overlap, but they are distinct from each other.
This sort of pedantry also annoys and turns people away from the cause though. Typically when people say they’re vegan, they’re talking about their diet, and it’s easy to infer that based on context. I really hope you don’t go around browbeating self-professed vegans by going “nuh uh, you’re a liar, that’s a leather strap I see on your watch”
Typically when people say they’re vegan, they’re talking about their diet,
this claim is made without evidence and can be dismissed without evidence
Unless someone is a on a serious carnivore diet, then we probably eat “vegan” more than we realize.
I had an English muffin with some homemade wild raspberry jam and a banana with my tea this morning. I have already planned an Indian lentil curry and rice for supper tonight. I don’t know what I’m having for dinner today, but I could have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich I suppose.
A whole day without meat. Not that I actually considered doing that because “vegan.” But because that’s what sounds good to eat today. Tomorrow, maybe some smoked oyster stuffed venison loin chops for supper perhaps or some eggs and bacon for breakfast.
Disagree, theirs so many people who think a meal isn’t a meal without meat. “Im eating the meal for the meat”. Onetime at a restaurant I was considering getting this plantain dish and my friends looked at me like I’m crazy for getting an entree without meat ???
This is kinda why I’m doing. If I see a vegetarian option for something, I’ll pick that over the meat option. Vegetarian sausages are definitely not all created equal…
And cheese. I’ve tried but vegan cheese isn’t it.
I’ll still get the veggie burger, but with real cheese 😆
Cheese is the one thing I break from being plant-based on. Not even dairy in general, because non-dairy replacements of other things (e.g. ice cream) are quite good.
I’m hoping to see synthetic dairy (precision fermentation or otherwise) become more mainstream and used for a wider variety of products.
