The United States has always been the villain of the story. But they used to at least try to hide it behind a sheen of soft power. The only difference between now and then is that Trump unabashedly takes the mask off and gives no fuck what the rest of the world thinks.
Not just the US government. All government. Literally all of them. Not a single human government has ever existed in the history of humanity that wasn’t the villain of the story.
I am not an anarchist, governments provide useful services and protections for their citizens. But lets not fool ourselves into thinking that any government is better than another, they are all bad equally, just in different ways.
I agree with you to a point. I would say however that it’s not the fact that government exists that’s the problem. It’s the fact that government is controlled by corporations and billionaires that is the problem.
Take all of that away and have a government is actually by the people and for the people…we’d be golden.
No, the problem is the people. All the people. Even if you take away business and money, which isn’t realistic, you still have to deal with the fact that humans are awful to each other, especially when they have power over each other. Government rulers throughout history have been horrible to their subjects just for the love of the game, sometimes they didn’t even get anything out of it. They just wanted others to suffer.
Look at Reddit, or even here on Lemmy, honestly. Is every moderator and admin some magnanimous and benevolent person? No, of course not. Moderators have a bit of a reputation for being horrendously corrupt power trippers, right? Do they get paid to be that way? Sure, some, but even without that they would likely act the same regardless. And I am a moderator here on Lemmy saying this.
There are not enough “nice” people in the world for a human government to ever work the way you suggest. And even if there were, there is no guarantee that they would always be that way. All it takes is one person criticizing people with authority, one person suggesting something those with authority don’t like, etc. No human government ever started from purely bad intentions. But the bad was baked in from before the start, it is unavoidable.
Can that be realistically achieved though? Any representative government is going to be vulnerable to the selection effects of people who want to be in charge ending up in charge, and those of them most willing to do whatever it takes having a competitive advantage. The formation of an elite class colluding at the expense of the rest of us seems like a natural result.
Exactly.
Not much is different here than the presentation.
US is the Andrew Tate of global politics right now. They were a lot more subtle about it before though. But the core values that have always held throughout history are absolute self-interest, entitlement, and hubris.
Apply Gestalt Theory to the US and watch how unrestrained capitalism raised this baby from an idealist freedom seeker and into a narcissistic bully with self-aggrandising sophist reasoning and a pure Machiavellian outlook on life.
Trump only did away with the pretences, by firing the people who took care of the subtle masquerade. He didn’t like the pushback from them on global policy, and because the shoes already fit, decided to just do it live on stage without the makeup.
Unfortunately for US citizens, that means that they get to experience the splashback as he pisses on their international credibility.
A historically meticulously curated and maintained image that’s now irrevocably ruined forevermore. No sane person can trust a promise or a treaty made through US foreign policy ever again.
No sane person can trust a promise or a treaty made through US foreign policy ever again.
And yet the Iranians rallied and did some revolting. Since dropping South Vietnam nobody can have relied on the US blindly. People must be taking a risk and hope that the support lasts long enough.
Trump is in power because he does what the elite needs. I would like to know why there is no need to hide the mechanisms from the masses anymore.
Soft power is woke, deal from strength or get crushed every time.
they have alot of military propaganda and copaganda on thier side, so they dont look evil. shows and movies cant "portray them as the enemy in most cases. movies/ shows(reacher, top gun,etc)
That’s stupid. This is something that’s undoubtedly positive that’s being painted as a negative by people who are naive. The one and only reason why we even know this was even a thing is because the US is a democracy with some degree of transparency. Even if its decades later, we can still publicly view, discuss, and criticize things that the government has done in the past because those documents were declassified and released to the public.
Most countries are not like this. There are a lot of instances like this that will never see the light of day until that regime collapses, and even then its successor might keep the secret going. For example, Turkey is STILL locking up the Ottoman archives relating to the Armenian genocide more than century later. There are so many evil plots and schemes made both in the past and present that we will probably never know about because they will never be released publicly due to the ruling regimes wanting to maintain their image. I wish there was more instances like this from the US and every country so we can see the good, the bad, and the ugly and get a real understanding of history.
america will get over the fact that cuba discovered a better economic system than capitalism.
These proposals were rejected by John f Kennedy, a Democrat
Yeah - JFK was more than happy to commit acts of terrorism against Cuban people, but he drew the line at Americans. Great example of the difference between Democrats and Republicans.
Aw you’re right. Golly, I hate democrats so much! I’m going to vote red down the ballot this November. Thanks for clearing that up for us!
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Obviously just because the Democrats are evil that doesn’t mean you should vote for the more evil party. You should recognize that Democrats aren’t the solution to the problem and look for some alternative pathway to real, long-term change. Don’t shoot the messenger.
I don’t see a solution where we don’t change the democratic party but I will say that most canidates I voted for did not win but its not all bad. Kat came very close to defeating biss which is historic in its own way given how young she was and how much of an established party guy he was. For senate we have stratton which I feel is better than the initial front runner but my real progressive pick was kelly. People need to realize how important the primaries are. ugh hynes won over kagi for comptroller. I saw a lot of twisting of situations to try and take back progressive winners from before back to machine party type of canidates. incumbent kept his state congressional seat in my area unfortunately to.
If our elections are not free and democratic, what makes you think the primaries are?
I don’t believe our elections are not free and democratic they just have a process that favors a two party system and people are easily manipulated. I mean my mind is blown by how aweful the typical politcal ad is and most will turn me more off to the canidate than get me to vote for them but unfortunately I believe the average person is nothing like me. I mean I don’t want everyone to be like me but I would not mind if most people had a greater level of cognitive ability. Sure it would make me an idiot relatively but it would greatly increase the intelligence of our societies. I do believe citizens need to realize how important and precious our system is under the constituiton and how bar none our biggest issue currently is the constitution being violated as a matter of policy (as opposed to single individual one time events which is as unavoidable as any other one single individual one time crime ).
Do you think that a candidate with a campaign backed by billion-dollar donors would have the same access to democracy as a grass roots candidate self-financing their campaign through working class donors? Or that a candidate backed by the mainstream media would be as likely to win as a candidate who is smeared by the mainstream media?
That’s what I mean by free and democratic - that each candidate has a fair shot of winning based on their policy platform and messaging alone.
There are lots of good Dems. I bet Bernie wouldn’t have authorised that.
Bernie sanders is literally not even a democrat.
He’s Democrat adjacent
And yet, despite having more popular support than Clinton, he did not win the nomination in 2016, which led to the first Trump presidency. Why do you think that was?
Fair. He should have joined PSL.
Then what’s your solution? It sounds like you’re just being antagonistic to everyone and making noise. Please lead with concrete strategy NOT idealism. The reason the “evil” parties are in power is because they have concrete solutions which can be implemented immediately and you have only theory.
The only solution is a social revolution, which is what I advocate for. Of course, I don’t have all the answers, no one does, but I would propose building a worker-led movement similar to the Black Panthers - many people aren’t aware of this, but the Black Panthers actually provided a variety of what they called “survival services”, such as The Free Breakfast For Children program, clothing distribution, classes on politics and economics, free medical clinics, lessons on self-defense and first aid, transportation to upstate prisons for family members of inmates, an emergency-response ambulance program, drug and alcohol rehabilitation, and testing for sickle-cell disease.
We also need to form a solid structure of industrial unions and workers co-operatives, so that we can provide goods and services to the working class without the need for the state’s currency or hierarchical structure. Once we have unionized enough industries, we will no longer need the state, and it can be allowed to atrophy and die. It is likely that the ruling class will not allow this to happen without a fight, so we will also need to defend our new society from them. I’d recommend reading an Anarchist FAQ for more information and joining the IWW, as well as getting involved in activist activities in your area.
I don’t understand this logic. Democrats are corrupt, genocidal and evil. If your worldview prevents you from publicly admitting this even if you silently agree, then how can you ever fight for a better future?
That’s what they were up to as early as the 1960s. By the late 90s they learned not to leave a paper trail.
Israel did the same thing to us in the 1960s to goad us into a war with Egypt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
That was not a false flag attack
how so?
At no point was Israel or the US pretending to be a country they weren’t, ie using a “false flag”
“False flag” operations intend for the blame or legal consequence of the operation to be placed on the the people/country that the perpetrator is pretending to be so in the case of Northwoods, Cuba
israel tried pretending to be egypt when it attacked the USS Liberty killing US servicemen with the hope it would trigger the US to join their war against egypt
I wasn’t alive then – but none of the sources I’ve read mention anything other than Israel being fully responsible, and the only debate being whether the attack was deliberate or not
Goes back a lot further than the 1960s, all the way back to the founding of the United States. For a pre-60s example, you might also be interested to learn about the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, if you haven’t already heard of that.
Neither of those things were false flag attacks
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Oops, sorry, you’re right, I got confused about what thread I was in. I’m not a bot I’m just a dumb autistic gay furry
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thats a lot to fit on the name tag, but it also assumes we think a bot would be to embarrassed to claim that. I trust claude, but if you are grok, you need to get out and stop imitating the majority of users here.
huh? no, I’m just saying, sometimes people accuse me of being an LLM because of the way I write, it can come across like an LLM, but I think I just write that way because I’m autistic
i was being unfunny and sarcastic, ignore it
The CIA is basically a rogue agency.
The Joint Chiefs of Staff were also on board with the plan. The problem is unfortunately deeper than just the CIA.
Plans were rejected by JFK in 1962. Hmmm I wonder what happened to him the next year or so…
Just wait until you see the one being planned to justify postponing the elections.
And then JFK blocked it and nothing happened to him and these plans were surely never implemented and that’s the end of the story
Honestly I’m kinda shocked that they didn’t do a false flag to justify the Iran invasion. Back during Trump I, there were random drone attacks against freighters in the Strait of Hormuz that I would be shocked if they were actually from Iran. Did the guy in charge of that program get fired or get sent to die in Gaza?
Playing catch-up, we’ll get one
Are they incompetent or do they npt care?
Yes.
Why bother with a false flag when they aren’t being held accountable for any of the blatantly illegal things they are doing?
Well, if the US imposed a draft for an invasion of Iran right now, it would likely lead to massive civil unrest - the war is very unpopular, especially among young people. At the moment, it’s a very distant thing for Americans, being told that you’re going to go off and die in Iran for the benefit of Israel would probably be the breaking point for people.
I’m not convince it would lead to much civil unrest.
That won’t lead to civil unrest. There’ll be a few protests but the majority will comply.
A large part will support it.
This is Americans we’re talking about here, not anyone willing to do the right thing.
It’s not about doing the right thing at that point, though, that’s kinda my point, it’s self-preservation. Look at the Vietnam draft and how that went, and realize that the majority supported the Vietnam war until after 8 years in - we’re only a few WEEKS into the Iran war and it’s already vastly unpopular, especially with young people - who would be the people drafted. Keep in mind as well, that historically it’s young people who are most likely to participate in civil unrest.
I honestly believe that if Trump imposed a draft for the Iran war, it would spell the end of his presidency, and possibly his life.
Yeah look, I’m sorry, but I don’t share your view.
I hope you’re right and he tries it. Anything really because fuck the rest of us are sick of it and we are losing patience.
civil unrest is perfect. they can just arrest the protesting civillians and put them to work in the for profit prisons, leaving only compliant civilians. win-win.
Well, we don’t really know for sure yet because it’s so recent – the US does have a ‘clone’ of Iran’s Shahed drone called the LUCAS, which Iran has claimed the US has used in false-flag attack against civilian targets in the Gulf. We won’t know for sure until the intelligence around the Iranian invasion is declassified, which probably won’t be for several decades.
Honestly, I think if this war continues to escalate, a false flag on US soil becomes more and more likely, to get support for an invasion of Iran.
support for an invasion of Iran.
They don’t actually intend boots on the ground against a mountainous country of 90 million right?? Right after Afghanistan?
Like they could probably set up a green zone in Tehran and then what? Just kinda hide behind the walls forever?
Something about a land war in Asia…
First in command is Donald J. Trump. His XO is Pete Hegseth. Do I need to continue?
Afghanistan was a huge success. Rich people made billions.
Hegseth sent a couple thousand Marines to the Med, and he apparently thinks a ground invasion is at least ONE plan on the table. I do truly think Hegseth thinks that it’s just like Iraq in a video game, where it’s all flat, featureless desert.
Or, more likely, Hegseth doesn’t care about the lives lost, and thinks that we can just throw bodies and missiles at Iran to cow then into submission. That seems in line with his stupid “warrior ethos” shit.
It worked so well for Vietnam so why not
It would be the stupidest decision that Trump could ever make, for sure. The problem is that Trump doesn’t exactly have a history of making good strategic decisions, and he purged his administration of people who disagreed with him, and is seemingly taking advice from Benjamin Netanyahu. I really, really hope that a ground invasion of Iran doesn’t happen, it would be like Vietnam, except Iran has the 13th most powerful military in the world and has been preparing for this war for 40+ years.
Yeah, it’s not 13th in Iran, for sure, and with well-thought plans for basically everything. Only yesterday I was listening to the foreign minister of Iran spelling “yes” to a journalist question: “do you want a land invasion from the USA?”
I think the plans to blame the Cubans for electronic warfare in killing astronauts is wild too.
They would turn an accident into casus belli
Back then it was the President keeping the military in check. Now we have to hope the opposite happens
In a false country, their flags will always be false
Horseshoe theory in action. I had check to see if I was on a neo nazi website, but nope, we’re on the very left Lemmy where saying Jews did 9/11 is now considered normal
I already responded to a different comment saying this but I might as well reply again showing how “horseshoe” this theory is exactly. Nothing about ANYTHING I said is antisemitic I don’t have an antisemitic bone in my body, anti Zionism is NOT antisemitism. And furthermore REAL antisemites are antisemitic with their chest wtf like that fucking little clown Nick Fu*ntes, just like an Arch user you’ll never have to ask if they’re antisemitic because they’ll tell you. They don’t try hide it, they’ll outright say how they believe “there’s a global Jewish conspiracy and global Jewry is running the world” and talk about how they believe their genes cause them to do bad things. So PLEASE don’t pull that bullshit antisemitism card on me bro
D’you really think it’s such a crazy coincidence that ISIS has attacked every single Middle Eastern country EXCEPT for Israel, and whilst Israel bombs hospitals in Gaza because of “Hamas” and how they’re apparently digging tunnels underneath, ISIS operatives get treatment in Israeli hospitals? Or is noticing that antisemitic? Why would every almost single Middle Eastern country fight AGAINST ISIS and Al-Qaeda? Why would ISIS - an apparently “Islamic” terrorist group name itself after a pagan Egyptian goddess? Notice how during the illegal coup against Assad, the west went into Syria claiming it was with the intention to “get rid of ISIS” who Assad was fighting AGAINST and his regime just happened to fall, almost as if they were only there for the pretext to topple his govt which ended up replaced by a member of AL QAEDA a man Donald Tramp constantly praises as such an incredible leader. So Biden and Theresa May went into Syria to get rid of ISIS only to replace it with Al-Qaeda? Okay bro… So EITHER they’re both incompetent AS FUCK or that was their plan all along.
Why would Colonel Gaddafi, a notorious terrorist sympathiser, a man who funded real terrorist groups like the IRA denounce Al-Qaeda and claim they were behind the western backed terrorist protests against him?
Now onto Israel’s extensive list of Mossad false flag ops and psyops you should probably get comfortable because this is going to be a LONG read mate.
How Israel Merked its Own Civilians on October 7 - GDF
Now before you call the youtuber above a “neonazi 4channer” he made a video DEBUNKING all the antisemitic conspiracy theories you’ll find circulating on 4chan, really good watch btw
What really happened on October 7th - Double Down News (British Left Wing media publication which showed great support to Jeremy Corbyn when he was accused of antisemitism)
1954 - Lavon Affair
June 1967 - USS Liberty
The Day Israel Attacked America - Al Jazeera (Documentary)
How Israel Got Away With Attacking the U.S.S. Liberty - GDF (The real answer is blackmail/kompromat but this video does a pretty good job of breaking down the events as they unfolded)
First hand account of USS Liberty Survivor Phil Tourney
1994 - Mossad false flag attack on Israeli Embassy in London
Former Mi5 agent, later turned whistleblower speaks about the attack
10 Oct 2001 - Just under a month after 9/11 Mossad agents were caught in a plot trying to commit a false flag attack in Mexico, planning to bomb Palacio Legislativo de San Lázaro (Legislative Palace of San Lázaro) in Mexico City
I could go on but I think you get the point, if I wrote you a list of all of them it would take me longer than a week to type it all out. I’m not even going to begin to talk about every time Israel stuck it’s massive white and blue dick deep inside America’s rectum like their personal bitch (which they very much are) clearly pointing to obvious signs of blackmail and systemic compromise like the Apollo Affair but I digress. Would you like me to go onto their links to 9/11 as well then or is this enough for you?
No it’s not.
Do you think 9/11 was a false flag done by the Jews? Normally posts like this should be removed because they’re clearly bigoted.
A comment not being removed (so far) by the moderators of a particular instance does not equate to the entire lemmy community agreeing with that comment. To even make that argument is incredibly dishonest and plainly stupid.
Okay would you please care to explain how exactly that’s bigoted? Because you’re literally cheapening the word bigoted and antisemite when the words don’t apply just like Israel does by calling everything antisemitic.
Is saying Muslims did 9/11 islamophobic? Is saying the the Reichstag Fire was a false flag by the Nazis Germanophobic racism? How exactly does this apply here mate? Who exactly is committing the genocide in Gaza? Is pointing out the fact that they’re JEWS antisemitic? What exactly is bigoted about my statement?
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it’s obviously a cow because saying it’s a duck is fucking antisemitic.
I had to check to see if I was on a neo nazi website
Didn’t know the ADL was policing Lemmy now 🥴
I’m guessing this one’s antisemitic as well then?
Colonel Gadaffi must’ve been a neonazi as well then?
No one’s falling for your hasbara, ziobot
A country NOTORIOUS for it’s false flag attacks having been caught numerous times in the act, including RECENTLY in Saudi Arabia, and ACTIVELY committing genocide but NOOO them committing 9/11’s just a looney fucking “conspiracy theory” despite all evidence pointing to fucking Israel, just like how I’m sure the attack on the USS Liberty, JFK, the notion that they stole US nukes (aka the Apollo Affair) and that Israel’s committing genocide is ALL just an antisemitic blood libel because that’s simply out of the realm of possibility is that right?
you should make a distinction between Jews and zionists/the state of Israel, remember that not all Jews are zionists, there are many anti-zionist Jews who oppose Israel and their genocide.
100% that person is from 4chan lmfao how arent they banned yet .world moderation is abysmal
Okay but when I say Arabs are committing genocide in Sudan, I don’t mean all Arabs do I, that goes without saying. Egyptians for example are not, Emiratis are but I think we can all make that distinction.
Not all Jews are Israelis and vice versa I know bro, I wasn’t the one who made the image. That doesn’t stop the fact that the ISRAELIS that committed 9/11 false flag attacks happened to be Jewish though.
I know that when a Jew does something bad that’s not a reflection on ALL Jews, same with Muslims, white people, black people, Catholics, Protestants, men, women etc. No shit
I understand your point, but please accept my comment as it is intended - well-meaning and constructive feedback. Blurring the lines between Zionism and Judaism actually provides cover for Israel as it gives them shit to point to and say “look, it’s not about the genocide, our critics are all jew hating anti-semites”, not to mention that you make yourself a useful idiot for actual anti-semites.
I would recommend that you don’t share memes that blur those lines, because when you do, you just help Israel.
Listen brother, as a Polish Brit I have from birth been taught about the centuries the land of my ancestors being colonised, invaded, ethnically cleansed, massacred, occupied and wiped off the map just like Palestine has since 1948 until present day, okay?
In 1772 before the US even came to existence, Poland was invaded and a third was annexed by the Empires of Russia, Austria & Prussia - this happened 3 more times until 1795 when Poland was wiped off the map completely and lost it’s sovereignty and statehood. It took an entire World War for Poland to gain it’s independence in 1918 and I just pray more than anything that it doesn’t take another world war for Palestine to gain their independence.
I could be sitting here and play the victim card and cry about bullshit that didn’t even happen to me personally, no one is immune to anything just because their predecessors may have suffered in whatever way. Dismissing every single piece of evidence, CLEARLY pointing to an obvious conclusion as antisemitism is fucking ridiculous. I could list every single piece of evidence right here, but then my optic nerve and eardrums would apparently be antisemitic.
You have to stop pandering to fucking Jews bro, it’s ridiculous, it grants their fucking victim card validity. This is how you get people like Jeremy Corbyn kicked out of HIS OWN Labour party for “antisemitism” - it’s exactly stuff like this, the cheapening of the word antisemitism that not only harms Jews but strengthens Israel.
And truth be told Israel isn’t even ran by Jews, they’re not Jews it’s a secular state ran by occultists pretending to be Jews and wearing the mask of Judaism just like Saudi Arabia and the UAE, the Saudi and Emirati Royal families are part of the same organisation, those people are not Muslim. The UAE (or the United Israeli Emirates) is less Muslim than a pig’s asshole, have you been to Dubai?
Please, I am begging you to listen to me, I have been fighting against Zionism for decades, I am trying to help you. You are unintentionally spreading far-right Israeli propaganda.
I am perfectly aware of how Zionists weaponise accusations of anti-semitism against critics of Israel, but you are unironically HELPING THEM DO THAT.
And truth be told Israel isn’t even ran by Jews, they’re not Jews it’s a secular state ran by occultists pretending to be Jews and wearing the mask of Judaism just like Saudi Arabia and the UAE, the Saudi and Emirati Royal families are part of the same organisation, those people are not Muslim. The UAE (or the United Israeli Emirates) is less Muslim than a pig’s asshole, have you been to Dubai?
This is simply wrong, sorry. Judaism is a religion, but Jews are also an ethnic group. Islam is one of the world’s largest religions and it is not a monolith. There are multiple sects of Islam, with two major branches (shia and sunni) and they have very, very different perspectives and laws. This is like saying that unless people are Christian Fundamentalists and follow the Bible’s teachings word for word they aren’t real Christians.
Please, please, stop this. I am begging you.
You are unintentionally spreading far-right Israeli propaganda.
Far-right Israeli propaganda argues the exact opposite to what I am, they claim “genetic superiority” based on the antisemitic notion of a “Jewish race” Why exactly would my claim of the self-proclaimed “Jewish State” not even being Jewish be “far-right Israeli propaganda” that doesn’t make any sense
Judaism is a religion, but Jews are also an ethnic group.
Ironically, THAT is not only far-right Israeli propaganda but an antisemitic myth, created by an antisemite to justify the notion of “Jewish inferiority” through their genes later co-opted and inverted by Zionists for the exact OPPOSITE reason to claim genetic SUPERIORITY as “God’s chosen people” and give some so-called “ethnic” link to the land of Palestine.
Judaism is a religion, not an ethnic group. If Judaism was an ethnic group, then vast majority of modern day Palestinians would be Jewish since most of them are descendants of the Jews from the land of Ancient Palestine.
Shlomo Sand - The invention of the Land of Israel
The Invention of the Jewish people - Shlomo Sand
Debunking “Ancient Israel” - GDF YouTube
An extract from the book “Zionism and the Biology of Jews” by Israeli geneticist Raphael Falk:
Islam is one of the world’s largest religions and it is not a monolith. There are multiple sects of Islam, with two major branches (shia and sunni) and they have very, very different perspectives and laws.
Sorry but if anyone knows anything about Islam it’s me, I grew up in a Muslim majority part of London, I used to go to Jummah on Fridays in the local Mosque with my Muslim friends and my Muslim friends would go Catholic Church with me on Sundays as a kid back when I still believed in God.
The UAE is well known amongst Arab countries as the “Israeli Trojan horse in the Arab world” and the Israelis themselves call them “Israeli Arabs” who also fund far-right islamophobic think tanks in the west, calling for the deportation of Muslims from Western countries, having deep ties to far-right neonazi islamophobic groups such as the EDL (English Defence League - formerly the Jewish Defence League named after the US-Israeli terrorist group) led by notorious cokehead Tommy Robinson (aka Stephen Yaxley-Lennon) and Saudi Arabia, who has the 2nd largest nation state lobby in the US consider Iran a threat to their entire existence and lobbied for the Iran war harder than even Israel.
This is like saying that unless people are Christian Fundamentalists and follow the Bible’s teachings word for word they aren’t real Christians.
You can wear the mask of a religion or ideology without actually being of that religion or truly believing in that ideology. I can hardly call Trump a true Christian despite him professing himself one. Was Hitler’s “National Socialist German Worker’s Party” socialist? No.
Also it seems you responded before I edited my comment so I’ll paste what you didn’t see:
D’you really think it’s such a crazy coincidence that ISIS has attacked every single Middle Eastern country EXCEPT for Israel, and whilst Israel bombs hospitals in Gaza because of “Hamas” and how they’re apparently digging tunnels underneath, ISIS operatives get treatment in Israeli hospitals? Or is noticing that antisemitic? Why would every almost single Middle Eastern country fight AGAINST ISIS and Al-Qaeda? Why would ISIS - an apparently “Islamic” terrorist group name itself after a pagan Egyptian goddess?
haha fuck outta here channer
Typical far-left blahaj liberal Zionist, I’m guessing believing Israel is committing genocide is antisemitic asw. Noticing Israel’s history of false flags and the INSURMOUNTABLE evidence pointing to ISRAEL being linked to anything is antisemitic I guess, sure bro. What exactly about my statement suggests I’m a 4chan user? This is the thing with far-left or far-right extremists they’ll always wrongfully assume moderates are the extremists because of course no one considers THEMSELVES extremist, this is exactly why someone who’s far right would be so quick to label ME far-left and “woke” despite me being neither and moderate. idk why I’m arguing with a fucking ADL member, Mossad agent or both but I please challenge you to debunk every single piece of evidence I provide below, otherwise please shush 🤫
D’you really think it’s such a crazy coincidence that ISIS has attacked every single Middle Eastern country EXCEPT for Israel, and whilst Israel bombs hospitals in Gaza because of “Hamas” and how they’re apparently digging tunnels underneath, ISIS operatives get treatment in Israeli hospitals? Or is noticing that antisemitic? Why would every almost single Middle Eastern country fight AGAINST ISIS and Al-Qaeda? Why would ISIS - an apparently “Islamic” terrorist group name itself after a pagan Egyptian goddess? Notice how during the illegal coup against Assad, the west went into Syria claiming it was with the intention to “get rid of ISIS” who Assad was fighting AGAINST and his regime just happened to fall, almost as if they were only there for the pretext to topple his govt which ended up replaced by a member of AL QAEDA a man Donald Tramp constantly praises as such an incredible leader. So Biden and Theresa May went into Syria to get rid of ISIS only to replace it with Al-Qaeda? Okay bro… So EITHER they’re both incompetent AS FUCK or that was their plan all along.
Why would Colonel Gaddafi, a notorious terrorist sympathiser, a man who funded real terrorist groups like the IRA denounce Al-Qaeda and claim they were behind the western backed terrorist protests against him?
Now onto Israel’s extensive list of Mossad false flag ops and psyops you should probably get comfortable because this is going to be a LONG read mate.
How Israel Merked its Own Civilians on October 7 - GDF
Now before you call the youtuber above a “neonazi 4channer” he made a video DEBUNKING all the antisemitic conspiracy theories you’ll find circulating on 4chan, really good watch btw
1954 - Lavon Affair
The Day Israel Attacked America - Al Jazeera (Documentary)
First hand account of USS Liberty Survivor Phil Tourney
1994 - Mossad false flag attack on Israeli Embassy in London
Former Mi5 agent, later turned whistleblower speaks about the attack
10 Oct 2001 - Just under a month after 9/11 Mossad agents were caught in a plot trying to commit a false flag attack in Mexico, planning to bomb Palacio Legislativo de San Lázaro (Legislative Palace of San Lázaro) in Mexico City
I could go on but I think you get the point, if I wrote you a list of all of them it would take me longer than a week to type it all out. I’m not even going to begin to talk about every time Israel stuck it’s massive white and blue dick deep inside America’s rectum like their personal bitch (which they very much are) clearly pointing to obvious signs of blackmail and systemic compromise like the Apollo Affair but I digress. Would you like me to go onto their links to 9/11 as well then or is this enough for you?
I rethought it and want to apologize for my hostility I was 100% in the wrong and you were right. I still have some zio brainworms to pull it seems.
you are posting here in a very very western context. Words like “goyim”, and “jews did 9/11” are used by people who still cheer for the big genocide by genocidesmany where every third victim was jewish, so people will automatically jump to conclusions based on that. You can’t be mad at people for thinking you’re alt-right if you sound like them. Talks like a duck and all that.
What exactly about my statement suggests I’m a 4chan user?
Your confusion of judaism with zionism. You seem to think I’m on board with the palestinian genocide, but I’m not.
But do you think the pissrahelli bombs make a distinction between Iranian/Palestinian Jews or gentiles?
But replace gay with “jew”.The “Jews” didn’t do 9/11. The Judeochristian capitalist elite did and until you can properly identify your enemy you will not make any progress toward defeating it. You can bomb tel aviv all you want (if you need help I’d be happy to get to be able to do something) but the capitalists will then find just find another mask to put on to continue the slaughter if you don’t see it through all the way to Washington DC.
This is the thing with far-left or far-right extremists they’ll always wrongfully assume moderates are the extremists because of course no one considers THEMSELVES extremist,
Of course I consider myself extremist. Relative to the current political climate yeah, I’m a radical extremist.
Wow its almost like they wanted the twin towers. What’s a national tragedy over a for profit trillion dollar military complex and billions in oil and gas. Who cares if your expendables die that’s what they get paid for.
It’s actually a win-win as it helps to keep the populace in between fear and nationalist fervor.
Exactly. You always need a war to feed the Military-Industrial Complex, so you do what you need to do to keep it humming.
People die in war, that’s just life. So if a few Americans die in the false flag attack that allows the Military to kick off a war, and feed the Military-Industrial Complex that is important because it employs so many Americans, then they are just patriotic Americans who sacrificed for the war effort. They can be proud of their sacrifice for their Nation, even if that Nation never admits it.
/S, obviously
You say its sarcasm but this is just the sad pathetic truth. Its a win win for everyone you die a patriot reinforcing the narrative.
The kind of sick minds to propose this and then seriously consider it is beyond me. Truly depraved and without morals.
All to overthrow a foreign government because they might harm America’s economic interests.
If a communist government has that massive of an effect on the US economy, maybe the US economy should change how it economies.
It is all just the rhetoric for power and control. Countries claim communism or democracy but the reality is they are often not what they claim at all.
The older I get the easier it is to see it is all just excuses and lies. The whole world is fascist and policies are all that really matter. The rest is just propaganda.
In 1962
Does not make it less outrageous, but I thought it’s good to know it’s not a recent proposal
Which of course means there have been no recent proposals 🙄
I bet there is a proposal, we just haven’t learned about it yet.
The recent ones haven’t been declassified yet.
Well 9/11 was 2001? Just throwing that out there.
The invading Cuba part kinda already tells us that.
It really doesn’t, if you’ve heard the orange talk recently.
I do my best not to. Fuck this timeline.
Amen to that.
Considering going after Cuba has been floated as recently as last week, it doesn’t
There’s a lot of crazy conspiracy theorists who believe Kennedy rejecting the operation in 1962 may have had something to do with his head doing that thing it did in Dallas in 1963.
Obviously not the only factor. He had a lot of strikes against him for pushing back on the plans of men who weren’t elected to run the United States, but felt entitled to do so on account of knowing what was best for democracy.
There was also talk, I believe, of ending some of the oil and gas subsidies, which is where the Bush connection comes in
i hate when heads do that thingy
That’s my favourite conspiracy theory, JFK’s head just did that on its own.
In the modern era, the US president doesn’t need to actually have a justification for starting a war, just the possibility of profit.
Because they control all the media. So their talking heads just make up some obvious lies, and they are spouted and propagated without being challenged by actual journalism.
It’s not a war, it’s an engagement of political discourse through military action to accommodate business interests.
that linkedin translator from kagi is working pretty well
Agressive negotiations?
Unilateral discourse, of course!
