• MissJinx@lemmy.world
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    8 days ago

    I drink soda In the mornings, and my brother was telling me how unhealthy I am (yes I am) and I said “well, I could be having cigarrets and coffeee, or smoking crack…” He never said anything anymore lol perspective is important

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      8 days ago

      Same thing with my mother, “dont drink coca cola, it’s bad for your health” while she smokes and drinks coffee!

  • insanemantis@lemmy.world
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    10 days ago

    Vaping and coffee are both less likely to kill you than their alternatives

    Seems like it’s not about traditional vs modern

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      9 days ago

      Yep, that’s why vapes so heavily promoted. Who cares if you get lead poisoning and are stupid if you die later and can work longer.

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        9 days ago

        Vapes have lead? I thought they were concerned about the aerosolized polyethylene glycol.

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      10 days ago

      No need to argue. Caffeine is only bad for your health if you take insane amounts of it, and coffee itself has actual benefits, something you could literally never state about energy drinks. As for smoking vs. vaping, dunno.

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        10 days ago

        Is vitamin B really that bad for you? Or taurine?

        The caffeine is mostly what makes energy drinks unhealthy too. That and the sugar but white monster is sugar free so if you put shit in your coffee instead of drinking it properly (black and no sugar), I’d argue that coffee is just as bad for you as energy drinks.

        • Gaja0@lemmy.zip
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          9 days ago

          Honestly been wondering that a lot. I drink coffee daily. I don’t feel like it’s killing me. Surely it’s not as bad as monster, but what if the amount I drink comes close to the same impact? Is receiving a daily dose of mental stimulants not supposed be part of a healthy diet? 🫠

        • iuminou@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          9 days ago

          also aluminium cans = microplastics

          aluminium is not safe for storing wet acidic things such as drinks, so the inside is plastic-coated

          i wonder, which is worse: the microplastics, or the aluminium salts that would be the alternative problem?

        • despoticruin@anarchist.nexus
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          9 days ago

          B6 can cause nerve damage long term. Taurine is just a part of bile, it is an amino acid that is in basically all meat. You aren’t going to get enough of it from energy drinks to swing the needle one way or the other. They also have sugar or sugar alcohols that can fuck with blood glucose in all kinds of fun ways. Coffee, on its own, is basically just caffeine and water, it is going to be healthier than most other drinks categorically.

      • Elting@piefed.social
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        10 days ago

        Vaping is turning out just as bad as smoking the more we learn of its long term consequences.

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            9 days ago

            https://med.stanford.edu/visit/the-details/HealthEffects.html

            https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12628669/

            https://www.lung.org/blog/vaping-isnt-harmless

            https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/e-cigarettes/health-effects.html

            There is still a dearth of evidence compared to 100+ years we have for smoking tobacco but the more we learn the less it’s possible to ignore how it’s turning out. Remember for decades that tobacco companies white washed cigarette smoking and even tried to make it sound therapeutic.

            • lemmygarden@lemmy.today
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              E-cigarettes may have the potential to benefit adults who smoke and are not pregnant if used as a complete substitute for all smoked tobacco products.

              This sentence in the last link that you included contractics the suggestion that vaping is just as bad as smoking.

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                9 days ago

                I think there is also a specific use for cigarettes in that fashion, in any case cope harder. Vaping is bad for you.

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                  The original comment said “vaping is just as bad as smoking” but the links intended to support that claim said vaping is a better substitute than smoking. Better doesn’t mean healthy, it means less bad.

                  This seems like an opportunity to learn something, but instead you choose to cry, “cope harder” to someone that tried having a conversation in good faith, and doesn’t even use nicotine products.

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              Non-smoker current vapers had higher incident risk of respiratory symptoms (relative risk, RR=1.90; 95% CI: 1.28–2.83) but statistically non-significant risk of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) (RR=2.53; 95% CI: 0.96–6.67) compared to never users. They also had lower incident risk of respiratory symptoms compared to non-vaper current smokers (RR=0.75; 95% CI: 0.64–0.89) and dual users (dual use vs vaping, RR=1.26; 95% CI: 1.03–1.55).

              Do you guys ever read what you link or what? We consistently know that vaping is bad for respiratory health but better than smoking, it’s very well establishedat this point

              • Elting@piefed.social
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                9 days ago

                And in another one of those links it explains that we really don’t know yet. It hasn’t been long enough to gather all the data. But please continue to cherry pick whatever supports your claim.

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      9 days ago

      And vaping is barely better than traditional cigs despite what people want to believe. They’re both horrible in different ways.

      • Lennard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        9 days ago

        Don’t get me wrong. Vaping is a highly underregulated market, and only god knows what the flavoring and coloring additives might do to your health. Even the health impacts of liquid base are not fully understood. BUT people who say vapes are just as bad as cigarettes, don’t fully comprehend the damages done by repeatedly inhaling actual smoke.

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          9 days ago

          This right here. Vaping needs way more regulation, but come on, the physics here are quite straightforward.

    • arrow74@lemmy.zip
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      10 days ago

      You have to get in your microplastics somehow it’s part of a balanced breakfast

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    10 days ago

    It really depends on which you hate the most; your lungs and environment, or your teeth and nervous system.

    • trevor (any/all) @lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      10 days ago

      Yeah, can we stop normalizing extremely harmful and addictive substance use? It’s really weird how there are so many pro-smoking posts cropping up everywhere.

      Anyone I’ve ever met IRL that smokes deeply regrets ever starting and would never encourage others to pick it up.

    • Boomer Humor Doomergod@lemmy.world
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      10 days ago

      If you’re gonna make me get up too early to go to a place I don’t want to be and deal with people I hate I’m gonna need drugs to keep from causing a scene.