that’s it. nothing more to really add to it. it’s quite simple.
I am in favour.
Aye
Here here
Where? Where??
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FYI it’s “hear hear”
It’s:
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my only regret is that i have boneitis
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A good number of strips will be pre-cropped, or the equivalent. So what you’d really want when the signature’s missing is to have the poster do reverse-image as necessary so as to identify the creator, making sure to include that information.
There’s also the fact that doubtless there will be posters ignoring such a rule / guideline, ideally necessitating mod intervention. Meanwhile, the one and only mod looks like they haven’t been active in a month.
¯\(ツ)/¯
Images with the creator’s name cropped shouldn’t be shared anyway, plus they’re usually deep-fried and look like a blurry mess. People should be looking for originals to replace the crappy quality ones.
Well, woulda-coulda-shoulda. It’s nice that people are willing to make suggestions and discuss the issue, but in cases like this, it actually needs someone to join the mod team here and then apply their vigilance on an ongoing basis towards stuff that broke the rules.
There are some good suggestions in the comments, like providing a link on how to reverse image search to the sidebar to make it easier to find originals. It would be best if it were something that was encouraged rather than strictly enforced.
For Firefox, there’s a super-handy extension that lets you right-click on an image and then gives you a choice of eight different services (or all of them) to reverse-image search. I use it all the time.
Regardless, even going in the low-maintenance ‘suggestion, not a hard guideline’ route would require an active mod here to at the very least add the suggestion to the sidebar. Currently, there isn’t one, seemingly. This gets in to sort of a Meta issue about communities that get abandoned to some extent. It’s a real problem across the Fediverse, and I don’t believe enough collective focus is happening to deal with the issue.
If you look at this thread, it’s full of people saying, “yeah, let’s do this!” and “cool, sounds good!” but nobody in a position to act is effectively listening. This is what it looks like when there’s a bunch of chatter and nothing actually happens, sort of like a loud protest that doesn’t actually change anything.
Yeah, if there’s no active mod it’s a non-starter. But people don’t have any reason to know that’s the case. Considering how relatively big this community is (for Lemmy) it’s impressive it functions without a human mod as well as it does.
But people don’t have any reason to know that’s the case.
They can do the same thing I did, which was to click on the one mod here and see their activity history?
it’s impressive it functions without a human mod as well as it does.
I think that’s what naturally tends to happen when a community hits a critical mass of subscribers, combined with a highly popular subject. Also, this doesn’t strike me as a /c with much potential for controversy. *shrug*
So what you’d really want when the signature’s missing is to have the poster do reverse-image […]
Nah, they can just not perpetuate stolen art. Keep it easy.
Sure, wave your magic wand and make that happen.
Sir, this is a post about discussing posting rules?
Yeah, and I’m implying that things aren’t going to happen just by wishful thinking.
It is possible to add more mods. Maybe OP is interested.
I think that’s the most practical solution here, and something I was hoping OP would realise at some point. Be the change, and all that.
i have reasons i can’t mod, especially right now, but maybe in a few months.
having a rule tells people “hey we want attribution in the strip so get those versions”
Also, if you like the strip and have the time, help the person out and put up a signature or post the original with a signature, while reminding them that they should have posted a signature as well. These communities are a team effort.
Are there ways this could be implemented though that would not punish people who accidentally posted the wrong one though. You have a good idea, but we also have very few contributors on Lemmy and we don’t want to discourage that either.
Unlike Reddit, it’s possible to edit the link a post links to after the fact, so it’s possible to swap in an uncropped link later instead of just removing the post.
I’d be in favor of that. Not an instant ban rule but more of a “No link provided, please use TinEye or something to find the original and update your post”
This is the key. If someone shares something that may have the attribution missing or is too jpg, the post link can be edited to the better version.
If users are posting too many comics that are missing attribution without following through to update post links to versions with them, then they’ll get the book thrown at them and won’t be allowed to post anymore.
i mean we don’t have to make it a bannable offense, we just have to say “hey, go find the original if you can”. it’s a pretty relaxed community right?
sounds like the approach I’d appreciate.
Also, than you for the mod work.
someone’s gotta step up
True. Assuming they pay any attention to that one out of an unusually long list of sidebar rules. That doesn’t change the mod situation, either, and you’d need a mod to actually add that rule.
Here’s an idea: add easily accessible links so that even those less technologically inclined can easily reverse image search. Since many younger users are moving to Lemmy, they might not fully understand all the rules you’re trying to enforce.
This is A. Good. Point.
If i actually lose my mind and agree to mod this sub in a few months i’m saving this so i can come back to it, I have to look up how to reverse image search every damn time. And one of my first jobs was working IT building computers and programming bullshit dammit I’m not completely tech naive, just stuck in windows 7 because fuck you microsoft.
anyways, thank you Rusty, I am making you Honorary Something. Whatever it is, whenever we think of it, you are it. That was a great idea.If it makes you feel any better, my laptop is still on Windows 7 lol. 🫡
So is my airgapped backup
There’s a great addon for Firefox, ‘Search by Image’, which can open reverse search engines straight from the context menu. Not very useful for those who aren’t chronically online, of course.
Also, of all the search engines, Yandex is great at finding larger image sizes which are typically the originals (or upscales or poor crops). Afaik Tineye stopped updating years ago.
This is where I land as well. I fully support giving creators their credit, but this seems like a lot of red tape for very little payoff.
I was about to make a comic about this tonight lol
i want to see it!
Stay tuned to this community! You should be able to see it soon
honestly this is mostly because i’m about to bike out and help my comic book buddy with his taxes. but c’mon people, be respectful to the artists.
I’m guessing there must be a reverse image search API. Maybe making an attribution bot is possible. Just a thought.
I have a difficult one: the comic is Pictures for Sad Children. It doesn’t have a signature. It got nuked off the web when the creator had a breakdown (I think). The creator disappeared and has since transitioned, so attributing it to the then-published name would be deadnaming someone. How should it be attributed?
that’s a tough one. I miss PfSD. I loved that one. Saved my favorite strips when they’d pop up. I didn’t know the author transitioned. I’d attribute it as Pictures for Sad Children by [name, not deadname], but honestly i’d ask the author what they’d like if i could get in touch.
you’re still the same person under there, and were back then, just people didn’t know you by that name is how i view it.
The Wikipedia article attributes the strip to Simone Veil, and that’s what their current Patreon goes by, so I guess that’s what I’d go with. I had actually stumbled across one direct interview a number of years after the project wound down, and really appreciated her opening up about it.
thank you. I got really into webcomics when i was going through my surgical processes (gotta hyperfocus on something, right?). I had an RSS feed of my 150 favorite (rough number). I always liked to have a peek behind the curtain and was rooting for the best for my authors
Art by Current Name (formally known as Dead Name) would be my best guess
I mean I’d just ignore the dead name but I am not trans, I am probably not the right person to ask. The most right person to ask is the artist, the next right person to ask is the trans community in general.
One artist’s opinion: I think for historical artistic works, it’s appropriate to use the name the artist used when the work was created, especially if the signature is part of the work. If an artist rereleases art under a new name, that attribution would be preferred (assuming it is actually them and not a ripoff, not sure how to manage that). Old works could still be reposted but with an annotation.
After a quick search I came across the Grand Comics Database which doesn’t cover deadnames specifically, but it does have a protocol for handling pseudonyms. I am partial to the term “Ghost name”. I might even start using it myself instead of deadname, because they do tend to linger.
This is more of a matter of not removing artist credits that were there. If it never existed then it’s fine.
I think that’s an iffy area, because whats the differentiation between “The image I found was already like that” and someone intentionally removing it.
Unless they admitted to it like some have, I don’t see that as easily enforceable.
Yeah, but personally I would do it on a “good faith” system. If someone accidentally put a cropped comic, and someone calls them out, if they edit it back it’s fine. But if they repeatedly post cropped comics, they get banned
Seconded.
I would go a step further and suggest that only links to official sources are allowed. But I know that would be very unpopular.
Obviously I use and enjoy this community, but we could be contributing more traffic to their official sources. I cannot imagine more than a tiny fraction of a percent of people will see a comic image posted here and then go seek out the artist’s official sources.
this ain’t my art. this is your art.
also: LIGHT MODE AAA
On a jabberchat I run, I go one step further and add all XMP data I can find, so fans can not only find the artist, timestamp, etc., but they can also request commissions if open from the
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A what?
spoiler
(I know what XMPP is; I just think “jabberchat” has a funny similarity to Jabberjaw.)
I’m not a regular here, but this feels perfectly sensible
I like it.
Why are people cropping out signatures?
i don’t fucking know. some people are merely posting the versions they find and sharing comics they love. some people are actively defacing beauty and it hurts my soul (yes i am being overly dramatic i am a DIVA QUEEN y’all know this)
I would say it’ll catch people who find a comic already stripped of attribution and want to reshare it, but that’s fine - the onus of fixing that / properly sourcing it should be on the one (re)sharing it.
