And also why do you like it, what is it saying?
I’m trying not to think about reality and want to hear about the far edges of people’s moral horizons.
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Not “the most” but, the first that comes to mind is music by Jimmy Urine (Mindless Self Indulgence, Left Rights, Euringer). “Fuck Everything” is a mood, and while it is honestly far more tame than any of his previous works, it sums them up pretty well. Raging not against the machine but society, his parents, and his psychiatrist. Dude’s probably fucked up father north than Santa and “just acting out” (I’m sure he’ll grow out of it) but the music definitely strikes a chord with me.
msi is a weird one to me, i came across ‘hey tomorrow’ before and thought it was pretty good. but clicking through youtube nothing else grabbed me. no idea why
Too Bad hes a POS, but you can never say he tried to hide it
I like art that depicts billionaires/politicians/law enforcement getting violently hurt.
Purry Forn. Obviously for the main reason anyone enjoys porn, but even fetish stuff I am not personally interested in sometimes has great, well drawn art.
I’ve never been much into pron, and I haven’t been at ALL into it for like, decades now. I will never NOT stop to appreciate any well-drawn furry art, no matter what the subject is, no matter level of SFW/NSFW-ness, no matter how fucked up the subject matter is. I love cute/well-drawn furry stuff so much.
aayyy my best friend in highschool was a furry. through exposure I’m pretty confident in my abilities to spot art that’s made by a furry artist even if it isn’t obvious
Does niche fetish stuff that isnt exactly designed to offend but which would seem scary or disturbing to most people who’s brains don’t happen to be wired to enjoy it count as transgressive? If so, (a subset of) vore art
I was actually expecting a lot more people to say that, so far we only got 2 porn mentions. What are the core values of vore? Submission and consumption?
It really depends actually. It certainly can be those things and often is, it can also be a strange comfort thing (it often doesn’t follow biology much at all, so it needn’t be realistically harmful and sometimes gets treated as like very unconventional hugs), or just a power fantasy if done from the predator’s perspective
John Waters. His films are transgressive, tasteless, and trashy for the purpose of being transgressive, tasteless, and trashy. You have a movie in 1970 (Multiple Maniacs) where a drag queen, Lady Divine, gets a lesbian “rosary-job” intercut with scenes of the stations of the cross. Among many other things, Divine is raped by a giant fake lobster and eventually killed by the national guard to “America the Beautiful.” It’s a massive middle finger to everything sacred; the necessary profane.
aaayyyy I know of Divine. interesting cultural footprint, In Praise of Shadows did a cool media retrospective about Waters
missed this before i wrote my own reply. yeah john waters in general is fucking great. there’s a line early in his book ‘shock value’ that’s something like ‘to appreciate bad taste you must have extremely good taste’ and i can take some comfort in that
Perfect, thank you!
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I’d say that tracks with your post history
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wearing see-through dresses without a bra 😎
(it’s me i’m the work of art)
it’s. hot.
Live your art, girl 🤘 stunt on these hoes
I like finding and reading old zines, there’s an amazing mashup of pornography and counterculture and early tech wizardry geekiness to be found in late 90s and early 2000s zines that just can’t be replicated anywhere else.
If you tried to make them today, you would just be a poser.
I wish I could find an archive of Funny Animal Fan zines but search engines suck so much fuckin taint now, I’ve had no success.
If you tried to make them today, you would just be a poser.
False. Idolizing that snapshot and discouraging human output misses the point entirely and is the worst poser take on the subject I can imagine. Curated sips of ancient counterculture are just pretentious self indulgence if you aren’t drawing inspiration, and disparaging those who would actually participate is extra gross. Go make a zine about how much you love old zines, it’ll be fun
I get where you’re coming from, but your reply is sort of like telling me I could make another skit show when I was saying you can’t recreate Monty Python.
You are correct, and also abrasive in your correctness, but you missed the point completely.
As best as I can tell your point is to enshrine a medium best known for how accessible it is into something precious. I spread my first lil xeroxed pamphlet in 1992 and last one (so far) a couple years ago and genuinely from a place of love hope to see you do the same rather than sneering at “posers”. It’s way more fun to participate than judge and I earnestly want that for you. One person didn’t make monty python, but they absolutely made your favorite zine and so can you :)
My point is, is there is a vibe in those zines from the mid-90s to the early 2000s that is unique to that time period, and if you were not there in that time period, making those zines with the resources available in the culture that you found there, and you tried to replicate that now, you would be a poser.
Because there is something special about that time period. Just like if you tried to recreate the shenanigans of Monty Python nowadays with a new skit show and new actors, even if you had the same comedic chops it wouldn’t hit because the culture is different.
A dead budgie sketch is not going to land as anything better than an homage to the dead parrot sketch, and it would have to be amazing to be counted as an homage.
You seem to misunderstand that I am not saying you can’t make zines now. I’m saying you can’t make THOSE zines now.
There are plenty of cultures to tap into and zines to be made and periods of self-expression that have yet to be touched by humankind. And I understand what you’re saying, but my point is you cannot make those zines anymore without being a poser.
They’ve patched out Captain Crunch.
Pay phones don’t work on pulse tone modulation anymore.
People don’t rig together phreak boxes out of busted phones and 9 volt batteries. They use fucking zero-bit flippers bought from AliBaba and shipped over from China, and then they use that to de-auth people’s Wi-Fi so they can sneak in their own access points onto their credentials and set up a rebroadcaster so they can torrent without a VPN.
It is a completely different scene.
Even phreak has an official magazine now that’s been running for 40 fucking years and the modern magazine is nothing like the original. 2600 is a shell of its former glory, even though it’s still cool.
If you still can’t understand what I’m saying at this point, then there is no explaining it to you.
I can understand, disagree, and not be a dick about it. Please work on that last one. I genuinely love to talk about this stuff, but it’s no fun confrontationally. Enjoy your dead, sterile, static zine shrine if that’s what you want. Those butterflies are too beautiful to ever exist again, you’re super special for having witnessed them, good thing they’re pinned in your shadowbox. My “point” here is that this world and that culture is a beautiful, living, evolving, ever-changing Thing still very much available for you to participate in. Come out and play, or not! There was a “post your lab” thread in the selfhosting comm here just a couple days ago that should’ve been able to melt your jaded old phreaky heart, wires going everywhere, scavenged gear, tunnels and proxies and containers, people learning and sharing and experimenting and helping each other out, punk’s only as dead as you let it be
Would you ever post one? I want to see
There’s a surprising number of them available on archive.org, just search for zines.
I wanted to see one of yours tho
Black metal. Lots of shitty people have used it as a vessel for their shitty views. I don’t support them financially, but god damn do some of them make great music.
One recognizable upper-crust name would be Varg Vikernes and his Burzum project. Absolute shitstain of a huma. But my god does he know how to craft atmosphere.
I told a manager one time I liked black metal and he immediately started moralizing at me about Varg and the Mayhem drama. Which was a weird thing to do to someone who offhandedly mentions having an interest in something he apparently had some knowledge of. I think it was just a kind of stance he had been waiting a while to verbally make.
Currently my favorite piece of art is accidentally transgressive. It is a kinetic sculpture, and fairly unimpressive for what it is. Apparently it is a rip-off of someone else’s style. It is owned by a hotel that put it on the sidewalk corner for whatever reason. Generally unimpressive on its own.
The thing that makes it interesting is that, unlike most sculptures I have seen, this one locks as in: the spinning parts are prevented from moving unless a special key is used to unlock them. And the hotel locks the sculpture during non-business hours. If you want to see the sculpture move, you have to visit it between the hours of 9-5 on work days. Presumably when the hotel staff can monitor your presence on the public sidewalk just outside their hotel. Otherwise it is locked. Something about putting a derivative sculpture in a public space, then taking steps to prevent the public from enjoying it is fascinating to me. Although I feel like a speech from a hotel lawyer about potential liability or whatever reason they so vigilantly lock it is an essential part of the art that I am missing.
Maybe Grausame Töchtor? At least, Aranea is one of the most consistently transgressive and productive artists I have enjoyed.
The first Clarissa comic has a bit of an anchor in my brain.
I’ve found others I enjoyed over the years but they’re usually one-off, unattributable, etc.
Not sure it’s what you’re looking for, but I’ve been into provocative t-shirts and subversive music lately.
I have a T-shirt with Daphne Blake shooting Klansmen, exclaiming, “Gosh darn it, that one’s not a real ghost either!”
For music, I’ve been going through a phase of deathcore (Lorna Shore, Chelsea Grin, Whitechapel) digital hardcore (Atari Teenage Riot), ho99o9 (punk/industrial/metal/rap), and whatever the fuck PeelingFlesh is (chopped and screwed grindcore, maybe).
Image?
Finally found it.
that reminds me of something funny
I guess both of these images can’t be canon by the concept of both are funny to me
Daphne before she became woke and epic.
You might like Punk With a Camera.
Nice digs, good sir.
He seems to be a cool dude. IIRC, one of the big things that he does is organize feeding homeless people in Texas.
I’ve almost ordered that same Daphne shirt a couple of times.
I have a shirt with a vial of Narcan on it that says “Get Woke”.
Freddy Got Fingered is just… mostly in bad taste.
But man, the nature of the beast is like 20 years ahead of its time in terms of irony culture.
I have never laughed harder at a movie than the first time I saw that when it came to VHS. The maternity ward scene nearly broke me.
I cry laughing every single time. The performances are simply immaculate.
I recommend the Redlettermedia re:View video as well. It’s almost as funny as the movie.
I watch it almost as much as the movie! I slipped a Mike quote in my post, but I didn’t credit him by name ;)
