The struggle is worse the older you get.
This but unironically. It’s a way more efficient way to lose weight than exercise. And it doesn’t come with the Ozempic side effects
I lost 35kg within 8 months by going hardcore on controlling my diet. I did have to eat more once I started exercising, which I needed to because all the muscle was melting away right along the fat. It definitely works, but I did “fall off the wagon” once I stopped counting the calories. Now I’m trying to find that long term balance of sport and diet I can maintain in the long run.
True, it doesn’t have the side effect of continuous hunger, feeling deprived, constant cravings, until you explode with binge eating. That would never happen
I’ve actually tried fasting for fun and it doesn’t really cause binge eating, as long as you do it right.
But then again, my regular diet does not contain stuff from industrial fast food chains.
Intermittent fasting/OMAD and light exercise (walking, a bit of cycling) is in my opinion a way easier to drop massive amounts of weight in a short time. Light exercise keeps your body healthy while operating at a caloric defecit
Just don’t get OMAD mixed up with GOMAD.
Might be effective weight loss if you are lactose intolerant. XD
That sounds like a bad time all around lol
Yeah moving doesn’t seem to lose weight (unless you’re very overweight). It’s very good for you, but muscle isn’t lighter than fat. At some point I went from not running to running half marathons and I went from like 86 to 82 kg average, but that only really happened after I also changed my diet. Currently I stopped running temporarily because of some health reasons and I haven’t really gained much weight either, I just feel weaker.
The big two things exercise does for weight loss is it expends calories to build new muscles, and then those muscles increase your base calorie burn because they’re body mass. Weight loss without exercise can consume muscle as well as fat as the body treats excess muscles as a calorie store. At the end of the day, for most people in most circumstances, losing weight as a goal really means losing fat. If someone’s 110 kg and trying to lose weight, many wouldn’t mind being 110 kg with a somewhat thin waist and just being ripped (ok, a lot of women would hate looking like that, but actually doing that is an incredible feat)
It’s a lot easier to remove 200 calories from your diet than burning 200 calories more.
I completely agree.
What’s sad is people will torture themselves if they’re overweight by working out, and then reward themselves with food afterwards.
The worst advice we gave people is telling them they shouldn’t skip meals if they’re trying to lose weight. Americans/Westerners really don’t care about finding solutions; only looking like they do.
The vast majority of obese people are not willing to admit they caused their obesity, because it’s a human trait not to admit your faults.
Humans would much rather paint themselves as the victim because that’s mentally much easier. “I’m obese because of PCOS/thyroid/magic/metabolism” or “obesity isn’t unhealthy, everyone should be like me”. The alternative is “I caused this, I’m maintaining this, and thus I can stop maintaining this”.
Once I made the realisation that I was working hard to be obese every day, it was super fucking easy to lose weight. But to find the solution, you need to identify the problem first, and if that problem is you, it’s going to be an uncomfortable problem.
It can definitely have side effects. Psychological (eating disorders, persistent) and physical (unbalanced diet, or fatigue because the body gets in the “oh fuck must conserve energy” mode).
There is no one size fits all solution. A random 50 year old IT worker with a sedentary lifestyle and a Big Mac diet does not need the same help as a physically active 25 year old with severe hormonal imbalances. Using Ozempic is bad in the former case, but so is shaming the latter person for relying on it.
This is a joke but I lost 20 pounds so far just by eating half as much as I normally would.
It is, the trick is it’s easier said than done for people.
It’s tricky to require your brain and overhaul your habits.
I say this as someone who also has lost 25 lbs. there’s a reason people refer to it as a journey.
I say this less to diminish your point and more for support of others who are going through this thinking “man this is impossible but everyone makes it sound easy”. It’s not. It’s a marathon not a sprint.
Lots of things are easy to do once, but doing them continuously for as long as necessary is extremely hard.
That being said I was starving for like two weeks but eventually I found I can’t eat that much anymore and it got easier.
The one that gets me is switching from full sugar to diet sodas. Having a full sugar soda now tastes like I’m being face fucked with syrup. That one’s hard to go back.
I gave up soda entirely and now I can’t drink any of it. It tastes like fizzy battery acid to me.
That’s the way it works, you’re no joke homie
Thermodynamics is a cruel but fair mistress
Is she though? The cruel part is our own brain sabotaging our efforts
She gives but she takes, equally.
It’s simple math, burn more than what goes in. No tricks, no fad diets, no regimen, eat less, do more.
Yep. And the last time I did this I helped by keeping my house around 50 degrees all the time. I figure if we spend most of our energy keeping warm then making that harder would burn more calories.
Reminder to readers thay there is a stark difference between “cutting back” and starving yourself.
Smaller portions and less calorie-dense options make a huge difference over time.
It’s also much more sustainable. Make small tweaks as you go versus making big, drastic swings at your eating habits.
This might sound weird, but after a point it’s easier to just forego eating. It can be kind of dangerous how effective it is, but anyone who has gone a long time without food probably recognizes how their body stops bothering them with hunger.
It can but it’s dangerous and not recommended due to the many negative health effects.
Also, fruits are better than fruit-juice, unless you really need those quick calories.
Do you think that’s something you’ll be able to keep doing for the long term? Or, do you expect that you’ll put the weight back on when you inevitably give up and start eating more?
“If you legitimately don’t consent to the calories, the body has a way of trying to shut that whole thing down.” - Todd Akin
Now replace calories with rape
That sounds terrible.
I believe that was the reference yes
The one fad diet doctors really dont want you to know about!
Sort of describes bulimia I guess
I mean…yes?
I get that this is supposed to be a joke, but, I don’t get the joke. This is literally how weight loss works.
Eat less.
Eat healthier.
Exercise.
Weight loss is hard because it’s hard to stick to it. But the concepts aren’t complicated. Caleries in minus caleries burned equals caleries stored as fat.
Less caleries means less unburned caleries means less fat.
this “common knowledge” “weight loss” stuff typically neglects how dieting will affect ur caloric rate. if u just starve urself, ur muscles will grow smaller and u will need fewer calories to maintain ur normal functioning body, meaning u need to eat even less again to not put on fat. but if u train ur muscles directly, they will beg for more calories so they can grow, and the calories needed to maintain them will also increase.
for anyone interested, i suggest reading a physical education by casey johnston.
U cud jst cut bak n the no of ltrs u use 2 rite wiv
Y use mny ltrs wen few ltrs do trik?
Just don’t have an eating disorder / addiction is what these posts suggest you know. 4Head shit. The entire problem is they struggle with saying no. Like a heroin addict. “Just eat less” is worthless advice.
“Eat less, and here’s how to learn this disipline while dealing with the myriad of possible root causes of your disordered function” would be a start. Nutritionists exist for this purpose.
👏 thank 👏 you 👏
It’s not fat people hate to acknowledge that eating less is how you lose weight.
Your take or stance about capitalism and addiction is true also, but yeah addicts are addicts if it’s heroin or food or sex or alcohol.
Some addictions / pleasures aren’t super unhealthy and some are.
Either way, the trick to it is to eat less. Same as the “trick” to getting off opiates is to stop using them.
Yeah all that’s right but you’re overlooking the fact that “just stop” almost never works. People can know this, rationally. But they still fall into addiction. It takes a more complicated approach than “just stop” most of the time.
Do you also tell smokers that smoking causes cancer? Like yeah no shit buddy.
If they pretend it doesn’t, yeah.
“Depression? Just do more fun things and watch silly TV shows.”
As most things about the human body, it actually is more complicated. Caloric restriction also causes biological responses in our bodies, influencing hormones such as ghrelin and leptin which physiologically alter hunger and satiety. Some people can even be resistant to leptin for example, meaning that they struggle with a lack of satiety. Our bodies have also been shown to reduce their energy requirements by about 200 calories per day when intake is restricted.
So even if we disregard the problems the claim it’s just a matter of willpower, there are other, biological things to consider.
All this to say, it is undoubtedly good to have more fiber, around 1.2-1.6g protein per kg of bodyweight, 120minutes of excercise a week and strength training, or just whatever we can implement into our routines.
Oh, and one more thing, fatness isn’t a ubiquitous measure of healthiness or virtue, and thinness isn’t either. We have to challenge our assumptions and biases, a lot of which come from our cultures and media.
Oh, and one more thing, fatness isn’t a ubiquitous measure of healthiness or virtue, and thinness isn’t either. We have to challenge our assumptions and biases, a lot of which come from our cultures and media.
I’ve discovered this more and more playing pickleball, of all things. People who “look” out of shape have handed my ass to me, MANY times, because their knowledge, range of motion, and discipline have gotten them to where they were, without being traditionally “skinny”.
If anything I’ve learned not to discount “older” players, because they hold up with me, sometimes 20 years younger, fantastically. I hope to have the same drive in the future.
Oh, and one more thing, fatness isn’t a ubiquitous measure of healthiness or virtue, and thinness isn’t either. We have to challenge our assumptions and biases, a lot of which come from our cultures and media.
It kinda is… obesity is not healthy. Period. It’s bad for your joints, your organs, it’s a driver for cancers and other illnesses. The HAES movement is partially to blame for this massive spike in obesity we’re seeing. All of those links you post, are not causing the majority of people to be obese. The epidemic is not something that happened in the past, it’s quite recent.
I work in participation sports, and agree with OP. I’ve seen people running in a long distance triathlon (which means they’ve already swum and biked a long distance) who, if I saw them in a different context, I’d not have thought them fit. Usually women, not men. Fat and cardiovascularly fit >skinny and idle. And I’ve seen really strong fat guys, maybe that’s not as perfect as lean & strong but is it worse than thin and weak?
It’s not the usual arrangement (fit and fat) but skinny and unfit is pretty common.
I don’t make fitness assumptions anymore, about people within some range, obviously there is a point where this isn’t true. I haven’t ever been fat and do not think I’d be one of those people (if I am in shape it shows in my visual shape) but plump fit people do exist.
My god why didn’t I think of that!
Why’d they keep it a secret? Someone tell the fat people, quick!
Unfortunately, common rhetoric among boomers and their cattle is that we shouldn’t skip meals if we want to lose weight.
So many people proudly spread that bullshit, and it’s caused so much damage they don’t have to deal with.
Technically true most of the times
I know this is a shitpost, but… yeah, if those are the calories you are eating…
Some people have no sense of actions resulting in consequences. Some people will eat fattening food and then complain as if they had no choice in the matter. Much like in college when you constantly hear people complaining that they’re not ready for an exam because they spent last evening drunk watching TV instead of studying, as if that wasn’t a choice they made.
Some people will eat fattening food and then complain as if they had no choice in the matter.
Yes, it’s called addiction or other mental issues. Try to be nice.
For which treatment involves helping them take responsibility for their choices. Some people instead decide they can’t possibly control their choices and choose to be helpless
And before you accuse me of being ignorant, I am in treatment for mental health issues. Getting better involves getting out of the mindset of helplessness
There’s a lot of people in here talking about fitness, fasting, etc. but it really just comes down to calories in, calories out.
You have to acknowledge what you’re eating and what it does to your body. Calling out yourself, and the foods you eat.
All you need is:
- How many calories in a serving
- How big is a serving
- How many calories can I have today
- Self control
- Water
But getting into shape is basically a cheat code. By packing on more muscle you’re increasing the amount of calories your body burns just existing.
And depending on the workout you can burn an entire meals worth of calories.
Working out isn’t required to lose weight, but it does make it a hell of a lot easier.
To be fair, getting into share is more like two cheat codes: in the path to achieve it, you also build up discipline.
down to calories in, calories out.
No it does not. Of course you can, and should of the best of your ability control how much calories, goes in but there is two ends to a digestive system.
A healthy body evacuate from the other end of the system most the excess calories taked in. If your body doesn’t do that. There is something wrong with it.
That is absolutely not true to the point that you’re describing a serious disease as health. A healthy body will generally desire only the amount of calories it has been using or slightly more. A healthy body may use excess calories for muscle building or other constructive activities. But if you are defecating digestible calories, you need to speak to a physician (though you’re only likely to learn about this via a stool analysis). This is famously one of the more dangerous symptoms of advanced crohns disease, but it could be an issue of any number of disorders of the digestive system.
The human body has varied efficiencies of calorie absorption, some people have less or more efficient bodies. If you can’t gain weight when honest calorie counting and genuinely increasing your intake, maybe you just have a weirdly variable metabolism, but you may find difficulty doing things that require extra calories like recovering from injury or illness or building muscle.
Yeah, #4 is the real trick there. Self control, discipline, sacrifice. None of those things are easy. It’s very simple and straightforward yes, but not easy.
People seem to equate being simple with being easy. Smoking cigarettes? Just stop. Losing money gambling? Just don’t gamble. Alcoholic? Just don’t drink. All very straightforward and clear paths forward, all very difficult for an average person to accomplish.
I KNOW MY HIPAA RIGHTS.
You had to put an image, eh? Well now I’m just going to make a fucking burger and eat it till I cry.
If that dry-ass wilted burger gives you appetite, there’s something wrong with you.
*sobbing intensifies
Jokes on you I got some sort of undiagnosed malabsorption issues and won’t get fat even when I eat burgers and candy and alcohol day after day.
That sounds like a very expensive chronic issue.
Coeliac disease? Does your poop float?
Well I’ve been tested for celiacs a bunch. Blood tests and even an upper GI endoscopy (prolly one of the worst medical procedures I’ve had and I’ve had a bunch, you’re forced to deepthroat an endoscope so that they can go from your mouth to your small intestine and grab a sample), my villi don’t show signs of coeliac damage.
But yeah, my poop does float whenever I have gluten in my diet, which is why I’m now without it. Also milk proteins seem to have an effect. But goddamn leaving gluten has been a somewhat challenge, not to mention how hard it is if I can’t have any nice yoghurt (Greek or Turkish mainly) or cheeses.
But yeah I told healthcare about my poop consistently being yellow/orange and floating and I even have photos from almost a year of me following it. Nah they just dismissed me said “it’s probably just air trapped in your poop”. Sure, yeah, except I’ve also considered that and the photos clearly show that’s not the case. They don’t care. Just do whatever is the easiest for them no matter how it affects me.
Nice superpower.
no no it is not.
being a bag of skeletons that do not like each other, eating 5000 calories a day and losing weight, that is not fun.
Yeah luckily I don’t have it quite that bad, (especially after I went on an exclusion diet and slowly added things to a really plain diet and sort of figured a bit what works what doesn’t) but, yes, I definitely agree with you. Not fun.
I’d rather be fat and jolly than slim and super cranky from constantly being in some weird state of mild starvation. But it’s so mild and I make sure to supplement vitamins and whatnot so none of my basic lab-work is showing anything too far out of the ordinary, so the busy public doctors can’t be bothered to look into it since to them everything seems fine. Even when I can show them almost a years worth of literally shit pics, me having taken photographs of my stinky and floating orange poo. (I sent them to a spam-email I have so I don’t have to keep them in my phone’s gallery.)
I had a massive infection when I was that. It wasn’t just the malabsorption with me, but doctors insist you can only have one health problem at a time. I’m down to 3500 now and maintaining a healthy weight, so 👍
I don’t want to practice medicine online, but if I had started smoking weed I’d middle school I’d have way more organs than I do now. There’s some small literature about it but Jennifer refuses to publish. Thinks she has to wait until I’m dead and we have had that problem before.
I started smoking weed about around 16 or 18. Not often. But pretty daily from my mid 20’s at least. Definitely helps with eating and nausea or gi-pain. (Sitting on the toilet for an hour or two is much easier when you also have a bong and a phone with you.)
I don’t have a lot of infections and am generally “within normal parameters” as like you say, the doctors can only think there’s a single problem at a time. And at least here I always get a new doctor for most visits and I get like 30 min meeting every blue moon.
The public doctors kinda suck for complex, chronic issues. And I can’t afford private ones to that extent.
I don’t think my malabsorption is quite as bad as yours, but then I also randomly get seizures, to which I’ve gotten zero explanations for. Tested for epilepsy and had and MRI and whatnot, but nothing. But since Finland is kinda backwards when it comes to cannabis, they blamed it on my “drug use”. (Even though I have high CBD strains and they’re literally anti-convulsants to a degree iirc.)
Sort of and also not. Not getting energy from food also means I have no energy for you know, existing.
So while I might not need to worry about getting fat, I’ve also nowhere to display not being fat.
I tend to sleep quite a lot.
Youve prob tried everything but have you tried modafinil, was hyped up as a limitless pill (is nowhere near it ofch) but you dont feel sleepy on it and thats what the army uses it for or used it for at some point.
I can vouch that it works, doesnt feel like a stimulant like adderal or energy drinks, just don’t feel sleepy yet can sleep if you choose to.
eep sleep
And “ight sleep”. Like aaaight, that waa good enough. Lol.
it’s deep and light ofc they scroll the text and I toon a bad photo
It’s extra funny because there’s enough space to not scroll the text.
Do you do any sports? I’m the same. Can eat as much as and whatever I want, while always staying under 60kg (I’m 176cm).
Counter intuitively, I am healthier and have more energy since I started doing endurance sports (cycling). My weight got down to 48kg at one point before I started exercising, but I’m consistently around 57-58kg now. It increased my appetite and I eat even more now, but I feel infinitely better. Plus I have the perfect body for endurance. I’m not strong, but I can keep going for very long time and being light means I’m really good at going uphill.
If only it were that simple. 😅 Most people know what they should do, the hard part is building habits that actually stick over time.
I understand the burger bit but who eats a human hand? That’s just gross
My name is Yoshikage Kira. I’m 33 years old…
Or move to rural Britain. Food so gross you’d rather starve.
