• Gork@sopuli.xyz
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    1 month ago

    We could turn all that blue stuff on the map into more parking lots ya know

  • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    1 month ago

    I wish we could just give Spokane to Idaho, they’d be a better fit over there. Honestly, I’d go as far to say everything East from Ritzville should probably just considered “Western Idaho.”

    I guess my point is that this kind of car-centric build-out and culture seems par for the course for more rural, conservative areas.

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      Omfg i love ritzville so much. Whenever we drive from OR to MT we always stop in ritzville and spend the afternoon singing “putting on the ritzville”.

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      hi, fuck you, there are normal people out here trying to fix this shithole. western washington is not the only place that exists and fuck you for trying to burn your neighbors. none of us want to be included with those inbred psychopaths in the panhandle.

      also spokane is the second biggest metropolitan area in washington state you goon, this isn’t rural.

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        Always makes me sad when people start trashing rural areas and even sizeable cities like Spokane. It’s like Americans are completely incapable of nuance, of understanding that at least 1/3 of the people they’re trashing share their politics.

      • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        1 month ago

        hi, fuck you too, buddy, from a fellow eastern washington resident who fucking hates it here and doesn’t see much that can be done to fix it.

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          As another E-WA resident, I don’t want to give up. Things will change. Probably going to take a while, but I want to believe in a change. Besides, I’d rather get turned into the Canadian acquisition of the west coast than become part of Super Idaho.

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    1 month ago

    that’s not even the scariest part. Everyone drives through downtown likes it’s a highway. Not worth staying near the bars and food if you’re three feet from being slammed by a lifted truck going 50

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      1 month ago

      My biggest complaints are the Thor/Freya on/off ramps and the Lincoln(?) offramp going west. They are way too short, and people can be idiots. Merging there sucks.

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    1 month ago

    I made a similar map to this for Spokane a few years back. I focused on downtown and it was bad.

    Then I did one for North of the river. Holy moly it’s a sea of asphalt there.

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    1 month ago

    Where’s the second comparison picture that shows what it would look like with more 3 or 4 story or underground parking.

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    1 month ago

    Gosh the drugs and homeless people though!

    Can we exclusively only see urban issues through that lens please?

    • Gorgritch_Umie_Killa@aussie.zone
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      I have friends that live over that way, when they were first trying to tell me where it was they lived they mentioned Spokane. I’s like “Why would I know this random US city?” (As i’m an aushole), they said, “oh, because it appeared on the show Cops quite a lot, so has become quite well known.” … I couldn’t stop laughing… even now…

    • ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip
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      1 month ago

      The people are all expected to live at least 30 minutes away in the suburbs. This is what’s commonly referred to as “The American dream”.

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          Just move literally anywhere in Europe. Fucking Bulgaria has better city planning than this insanity. And public transport!

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            The level of incompetence here is wild. 20 years ago Springfield MO was better than we do here.

            It’s an embarrassment.

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      Spokane is a very sprawling city. It’s the second most populous in Washington but a third the density of Seattle. Including the “metropolitan area” of both Spokane is a seventh as densely populated.

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        1 month ago

        Are there lots of parking lots because it’s sprawling or is it sprawling because there are a lot of parking lots?

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          A bit of both but the root is that land is comparatively cheap. Building out is economically incentivized over building up. Municipalities can put their thumb on the scale by raising land taxes based on acreage but zoning restrictions are the actual solution (and these tend to be unpopular because the immediate effect is that development costs rise and bring rents with them)

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        1 month ago

        If that’s the case no red vs purple is needed. People need to learn how to visualise data to make a point

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          1 month ago

          Works perfectly well to illustrate how much of the city area* is covered in parking.
          There is no red vs purple, but colour vs lack there of.

        • Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de
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          1 month ago

          The differentiation into two categories with two colors add additional information and make it even more interesting without diminishing the actual point of the visualization.

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      Surface lots are far worse than parking structures. You can put retail at street level with parking structures. You can do a Texas donut, which is still not ideal but is way denser and prettier than surface lots. Surface parking is cheap. That’s the only advantage it has. And when you factor in the opportunity cost of building nothing but parking on prime real estate it’s not actually all that cheap.

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    1 month ago

    One with roads coloured too would probably also be informative. And I feel like this could be scripted with openstreetmaps to make them for different cities and compare them…

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    1 month ago

    Take heart that cities are capable of change, if they want to. So long as state government doesn’t get in the way.