I was on a international flight recently that spanned about 11 hours in the day and the person in front kept putting thier chair back.
Now I know people want to relax but i’m using the screen in the chair and i’m hoping the inflight meal will at least be passable enough to digest.
So on a long haul flight that happens in the day would you put your chair back?
Would you keep trying to put it back every hour (i havent moved chairs). even though you have been asked not to?
- now by the cabin crew btw
I never put my seat back and consider it rude when other people do it. There was even one instance in which I made a stink I demanded the person in front of me put their seat back up (thankfully, they complied).
As others have pointed out, this is a situation created by the airlines and their shitty business models.
most chairs allow the tray to be upright while the seat is reclined. if the seat wasn’t meant to be reclined, it wouldn’t be able to be reclined. demanding that someone else not perform an action that is permitted to them because you feel that is it is more convenient to you is…well… I’ll let you figure that one out
Personally I see it like …. As a bigger guy, I can easily shove my way through a crowd so I’m not delayed demanding that I not perform that action because it is more convenient for you not to be pushed to the ground is … well … yes, I do feel like it is a good analogy. In both cases an entitled person is physically infringing on close personal space to cause pain and make someone else less comfortable, and potentially damage their devices. The difference is that one of these actions has entitled people thinking it’s ok
its really uncomftable fro 11 hours if they do that
Then pay for a better seat.
This really is the answer
🤷 I’ve been on longer flights many times and never had an issue with it.
but we do live in a capitalist society, so perhaps you could pay them to not make use of their own chairs. Yes, I am drinking and am bring a smart ass.
Put your seat back, you’ll get more room.
Reclining seats don’t work that way. My knees are still the same place, my lap is still the same place, the tray is still the same place. All of them are infringed upon, even if I pay the entitlement back on the next poor soul, until the person in the non-reclining seat in the last row is screwed
That has not been my experience at all. In fact could you explain how the person in front of you inconveniences you by reclining their seat?
The only thing I can think of is when someone reclines with a bump and it makes a noise.
demanding that someone else not perform an action that is permitted to them because you feel that is it is more convenient to you is…well… I’ll let you figure that one out
So if you’ve been waiting in line for something for an hour and I just show up and cut in front of you, you’d be fine with that since there’s no rule or law saying I can’t?
The two of us are in a small elevator and I rip a huge wet fart just as the doors are closing and its all good, right?
This logic is so often used to justify bad behavior. A perfect example is the far-right spreading hate and racism because “free speech.” They make the exact same argument that you’re making right now.
we’re talking about sitting in a seat, right? 😂
Nope we’re talking about reclining back into the space of someone else’s seat. It’s obviously nowhere close to the level of racism (which is why I gave those other more mundane examples first) in terms of importance, but the self-justification is all the same.
you’re sounding like my parents after they go on a rant about small government and then want to micromanage how other people sit in a seat.
I mean, I understand that Americans are generally allergic to the idea of existing with other human beings and have zero concept of shared space. Frankly, I find this opposition to people reclining in a reclining chair to be comically ridiculous. But as I said before, we live under capitalism. You can always offer to pay them to not do it. Find the market price for not reclining ina reclining chair. It’s a fair trade.
allergic to the idea of existing with other human beings and have zero concept of shared space. Frankly, I find this opposition to people reclining in a reclining chair to be comically ridiculous.
Well as someone who will have their knees crushed when you want to take more of the shared space for yourself, this is exactly how I view your argument. If I were short then I probably wouldn’t care. I dont lean my seat back because I know exactly how it is which seems like a much better way to be a steward of shared space.
Arguing that having the option to do something means it’s “okay” even if it hurts others around you, and if those others don’t like being hurt they should pay 10x the price for first class makes you sound incredibly entitled and self-absorbed, which is pretty hilarious since this is the stereotypical American behavior.
I’d probably offer to trade seats with you if the person in front of me didn’t lay back. If not, I’d try to find a happy medium where I could lay back and you’d be okay. There’s no way I’m sitting up the entire flight.
It’s always funny to me when people complain about others restricting their slouching on a flight. The way j get around this is to get up every 30-45 minutes and stretch, take a little jaunt around the aisles and if I’m not grossed out by the first peep at the lavatory, take care of business, since I’m sipping on water the entire flight to combat jet lag. I must be in a hidden third category that doesn’t care too much about reclining my seat. If others recline, that’s okay because they’ll quickly learn that every half hour or so, they’re gonna have to push that seat upwards so I can get in and out. And if they don’t, they can explain why to the attendant I’ll be grabbing shortly.
I never put my seat back. I think they should take that feature out of airplane seats entirely.
Agreed, each person should have their own space that no other passenger can alter. If you want to recline it should be within your own space. For example the seat butt should slide forward, or you should get an angled pillow to put behind your back. Or alternatively all seats should be reclined 100% of the time and you should get an up-slanted pillow for your back so you can sit upright.
However it’s done, everyone should have the exact same amount of space that no one else can alter
all seats should be reclined 100% of the time and you should get an up-slanted pillow for your back so you can sit upright.
Replace ‘extra pillow’ with ‘chair back that can be raised’ and guess what, you’ve got the current situation.
i dont mind it for night flights - the entire plane goes back so you dont notice the difference
More and more airlines actually are, especially on shorter flights. And the price still is going up!
Nope.
We live in a society, and as far as I’m concerned, stealing the person behind you’s very limited leg room is selfish.
Signed,
A tall person who WILL kick your seat when my knees are in agony.
Their seat back has no impact on your leg room
Found the hobbit
I’m 6’3” or 1.9m tall. I fly monthly for work. Putting the seat back has little effect on leg room because the pivot point is just below your knee level. It steals a bit of room going straight forward from your head/shoulders but you can reclaim this lost 2” by also reclining your seat.
If you’re kicking seats rather than reclining your own to get back to the same exact space as non-reclined just at a slightly more comfortable angle, you’re the asshole.
You sure about your height? I’m 6’3” and find it very painful in my knees when the person in front of me reclines, since the pivot point is too far below knee level. If I were to recline my seat, it doesn’t change that since reclining only affects your back.
There are many aircraft where if the person in front of me reclines, I am looking down on their head and find it easier to watch their screen than mine
I think we must be flying very different planes because in all the airlines ive ever flown the seat only “reclines” like 2 inches.
2” in the standard, sometimes you can get 3” recline in economy+ seats.
Agreed. Same height and same issue. With my lower back pressed back into the seat, I can press my knees into the seat in front of me. Reclining my chair doesn’t allow my lower back to move any further back so it doesn’t increase leg room whatsoever.
My knees are several inches above the seats pivot point so someone reclining in front of me is taking a considerable amount of my leg room.
I think that other guy must have a long torso and short legs.
PSA for anyone using a laptop during flights, the tray tables do not change angle or height when the person in front of you puts their seat all the way back. I almost had someone break my laptop screen a few years ago because the top of my screen got caught under the exposed edges where my tray table would fold up into, as rhe seat back came angling down towards my tray table. I was quick enough to be able to pull my laptop towards me and remove the screen before the full force was applied to the screen housing.
Yep same thing happened to me. I don’t know how I managed the quick reflexes after 17hrs London to Perth, but I guess not wanting my laptop to break trumps jet lag.
I always keep mine back, except during meals and when it’s not allowed. It’s better for my back this way.
Some basic etiquette: Recline carefully - there are people with stuff behind you.
If I want to recline I’m reclining. My comfort shouldn’t be impeded because it might inconvenience the person in back of me.
Ok, Boomer.
No boomer just someone that’s gonna use the features they paid for. If you don’t like the possibility of someone reclining buy a cabin seat with better seat pitch
People will read this name and then the content of the comment and still take it seriously and that’s why we as a species are doomed to fail
Is the name supposed to mean something to most people?
Usually godless communists would not be pro free market capitalism
Today I learned that reclining seats on an aircraft is pro free market capitalism.
Just because you were born later than the rest of them, doesn’t mean you don’t belong in the “I got mine, fuck everyone else” group.
I do wonder if they’re trolling, because their attitude could apply equally to the person behind them on a flight.
“My comfort shouldn’t be impeded because it might inconvenience the person in front of me.”
I have no reason to believe they aren’t being honest about their selfishness.
That’s not selfishness. I paid to be in the same cabin you are. You refusing to utilize what you’ve paid for is not my problem.
not my problem.
I rest my case.
Maybe you should fork out for a better seat so your entitlement doesn’t affect others.
With the same attitude the person behind you can rightfully kick off and demand you sit back up, because why should THEIR comfort be impeded by your inconvenience of not being able to lay back?
The space that my seat back occupies is not their space, that is mine.
No, it’s not. Your space ends at the backrest of your seat.
And as far as it reclines
In that case your ass is then my space, as far as my foot occupies it.
Complaining about someone using a seat as designed feels entitled to me. Sorry. I’ve always so confused how some people consider it encroaching. Sure it’s all shared space, but that means you are sharing it with others. Reclining inherently uses that chairs fair space.
The problem is not the reclining seats, it’s that we are now packed like cattle.
If the cabin crew tells you not to put your seat back, then don’t put your seat back
You don’t want to be kicked out mid-flight
The crew didn’t ask him not to, OP asked him not to
I’m actually guilty of skipping to the end of the post, but it looks like maybe you didn’t make it that far.
The point still stands though: if one does not want to be ejected from the plane, one ought to listen to the directions of the cabin crew.
I assume his “now” is a typo for “not”. But obviously that’s just an assumption
I’m 6’4" (193cm). The seat in front of me reclining means my knees are pressed into the seat back, and that’s uncomfortable for both of us. I don’t want to do that to anyone else so I never put my seat back.
Doesn’t bother me if they recline - on an Airbus the seat base pivots so you get more knee room.
Related things that do annoy me - people dropping the seat back with a lot of force (why not recline gently so the person behind can adjust their stuff?), and people kicking the back of my seat.
A 12 hour flight is often going to involve a change in timezone, so I usually get some sleep, and for that I want my seat reclined … plus keeping in one position for that amount of time is uncomfortable for my joints and backside.
No. Should not be allowed. For some reason airlines have been allowed to narrow that space more and more to the point where it’s just not reasonable to use. You are infringing on the person behind you. Sure it’s mainly the airlines fault, and the government regulators that are supposed to serve the people, but don’t be an asshole about basic human courtesy
- for those of us on the taller side, you reclining can be painful on the knees. How is it any different than me walking by punching your shoulder. Should I do that? Not ok
- for those of us on the taller side, if you recline, we may no longer easily see the whole screen
- Even short people no longer have room for a laptop and reclining means you quite likely damage it. That’s not ok
- While the trays are supposedly independent, if reclining, they aren’t entirely. You reclining will bump the tray and potentially spill a drink. Not ok. On some aircraft the recline will partly crush a tall cup or can on the back of the tray or knock it over. Not ok
- those of us on the bigger side may no longer even fit a standard paperback. Now you’re not even letting me read because you feel entitled?
As someone both big and tall, I have had people in front of me recline so my normal breathing is in their hair. I have to admit to playing that up to success. There’s nothing like some entitled asshole turning around to glare that someone is breathing in their hair, and suddenly realizing just how close the seats are and it’s their fault. My edgy revenge fantasy is to rest my novel on top of their head because it literally would be easier to read than in front of me
