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¡Viva México, cabrones!
Luckily the US built a border wall so Mexico won’t be overflooded with illegal immigrants trying to profit the free health care.
too late. migration started years ago. as long as the gringos bring money.
Careful what you wish for. I don’t want them in my country, even if they bring money. They fuck everything up.
Even their money can fuck everything up. Like raise property prices so locals can’t buy property anymore. Same with groceries etc.
It’s better to keep them isolated in their own mess. Otherwise they will leave the mess they made to create more mess where you live, then to go somewhere else after that. Irresponsible and selfish people will only bring misery onto others.
You can replace “muricans” with “rich immigrants”.
For corrupt/conservative governments, rich immigrants are cool, and called investors.
Poor immigrants are terrorists.Honestly, you’re getting a bad bias from the kinds of Americans that currently are immigrating there. The important thing to understand is you don’t want the Americans with money, you want the Americans without any money that are willing to work and help other people out. Lol. See, what you’ve got right now are all of the rich assholes that don’t care about the culture or people of where they’re moving to - they just want to live like kings in a cheap city that they can turn into an asshole bubble that prices all of the normal people out. Rich people are leeches. Ultimately, the world would be a better place with open borders everywhere, but no rich assholes. Think about why borders even exist. In what world does it matter? The only reason is ultimately just rich assholes not wanting to dilute their wealth. The best thing we can do at this point is to convince them to go to Mars and leave them there.
Honestly, you’re getting a bad bias from the kinds of Americans that currently are immigrating there.
No, he really isn’t.
Happy cake day!
Right now Americans are the assholes.
Right now? Americans have always been the assholes. Ask the Natives.
I stand corrected, you are totally right.
Ask the Natives.
And all their slaves (including the current legal slaves who are incarcerated)
The Vietnamese, Kmer, Iraqis, Iranians, Cubans, pffff…
Wait. It’s easier to list the ones that don’t think they are assholes: Israel (bigger assholes), eeeehm… Oh yeah, themselves as they are self-centered AF. End of the list.
Mexican here. They are saying everything is free now, but there are not enough medicines, doctors or hospitals so is just a shallow gesture.
How is it a shallow gesture when people can now get the care, instead of just dying or suffering?
Because healthcare has been free in Mexico for decades. This seems like the usual political posturing. Saying “healthcare is free” is an empty statement if people are turned away at the point of service because of a lack of medicine or service providers. Give them three months and then check again. Then you’ll know if it was a shallow gesture or not.
But a cursory google search shows that it isn’t currently free for everyone, and in particular tied to your employment status. This means that in your negotiations with your employer, your health is essentially a bargaining chip (and this is bad for you and your salary for obvious reasons). The new system abolishes this tie to employment. This is a huge step for workers and the unemployed alike. This is not a hollow gesture.
It is not part of your negotiations with your employer. You get health insurance through IMSS (social security) by law. It is not optional and the service is not tied to your salary. You can make millions, or minimum wage, your IMSS coverage would be the same.
We’ve had another coverage called “seguro popular”, this has been free and not tied to employment since early 2000s. It was revamped and gutted by the previous president. The only requirement to get coverage was to not have coverage by IMSS. So, employed, you get IMSS. Unemployed, you got seguro popular.
So it is an empty gesture
It’s not a bargain chip, every employer is required to subscribe their workers and pay the fees
And if you’re unemployed?
It is linked to employment but equal and mandatory for all employees, so not quite a bargaining chip in the way it is in the usa
If you lose your job, you lose your coverage. That makes it a bargaining chip. The employer has one up on you in negotiations. When I negotiate my salary (my health insurance is not tied to my employment), I know that if I can’t work it out with my (potential) employer, and I get sick, I’ll be fine. Not so if my coverage was tied to employment. The pressure to accept an offer that’s worse for me would be much higher.
Got it
Was it free for everyone? Or just select people?
Well their original comment alluded to people not being able to get care because there aren’t enough medicines, doctors, or hospitals.
I hope they answer you, because I know nothing about what’s going on there, but I’m fairly certain that was their point.
Paying for some supply through progressive taxes is better than everyone paying a flat rate, even if that supply is scarce.
Free with crazy wait times is still surely better than expensive with crazy wait times?
Sounds like everywhere with actual free healthcare tbh. Here in Malaysia the healthcare has been free for decade, but doctor shortage, wad shortage is the common theme plaguing the sector, so the wait time for non-emergency treatment tend to be long. If you want quick service you can visit private healthcare.
This doesn’t seems like a shallow gesture, this could actually pave the way for the future when the issue is under control.
The issue won’t be under control anytime soon if ever, public healthcare has just been declining for the past two decades in Mexico and this won’t fix anything in practice, just in paper
No country has enough medicine, doctors, or hospitals.
Mexico has around 25 Doctors per 100000 capita. That is lower than almost all European countries that averaged 40 Doctors per 100000 capita.
When it comes to nurses, the comparison is worse. 29/100000capita in Mexico and over 100/100000capita in Norway, Finland, Sweden, Iceland, Denmark, Germany, Austria, Ireland, Switzerland, Belgium and the Netherlands. With no EU nation falling below 40/100000capita.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/doctors-per-capita-by-country
One probably needs to look at the demography as well. Half of Germany’s healthcare workforce is probably busy explaining retirees not to drink beer to swallow up their pills at any given time
That is valuable context for sure, but the data doesn’t illustrate wait times.
I’m from Canada which appears to have a similar ratio to Mexico (I don’t consider our basic healthcare a “shallow gesture”)
Wait times are long here, but twice as many doctors & hospitals would make the wait times only half as long, which would still be counted in years in some cases. So I don’t believe that any country has “enough” or enough to make the wait times negligible, which is probably an unrealistic goal.
No you don’t. You have three times as many nurses per 10k and more than 10% as many doctors per 10k.
I didn’t find the nurses figures on the link. Within 10% is similar for doctors, but 300% of the nurses is a big difference for sure.
it’s a shallow gesture here because wait times are longer than reported, if you are lucky enough attended in time, and even then you will probably have to pay for every medicine and if you need surgery you will have to pay for any materials used too
hope that clears the sentiment we have in Mexico regarding our public healthcare
America does. They just suffer from capitalism.
We pay out the ass and still have to schedule a surgery 4 months out or just argue with insurance denials for cancer treatment until we die first. Show up to an ER with something that won’t immediately kill you and be prepared to wait for 5 hours so a doctor can see you for literally 5 minutes. Nursing homes will bill you $4,000 a month to share a room while you wait to dies, with staff going down to like 2 people for 60 people after 7pm.
The only ones there’s enough doctors for are the wealthy. Everywhere else your screwed, and also get billed into permanent debt. It’s like $15,000 just to have a baby. Heart attack will run you six figures .
No we just don’t get medical care if there’s any way to avoid it. If it was free we’d have a doctor shortage instantly.
We already have a doctor shortage in a lot of places in the US, even without single payer healthcare :/
Part of it is due to private equity destroying private practice and buying up healthcare providers
Why isn’t it free?
You’re being deliberately obtuse. You smarmily answered your own question in your previous drivel comment.
Why do you think it’s not free? I’ve got my answer, it’s capitalism. Why isn’t it free according to you?
It’s a step. Vs. medicines too expensive to buy, and doctors that you can’t see for months who run you through the mill to get their numbers up. I can’t say which is worse when the result is about the same. At least you have more of a chance now.
Kaiser was excellent when they only provided service to kiaser members. When the government stepped in, the whole system went to shit. They still have the same amount of doctors so the only thing that happened in now everyone gets shitty service and long wait times.
Sometimes the government getting involved isn’t a good thing.
How are things generally?
But now you can say your healthcare system is as good as the one in the UK, which is nice. It’s not like the US can say that.
Congratulations Mexico! It’s nice to read a positive article for once. Happy for everyone this allows a pathway to getting the healthcare treatment they deserve.
If you seriously don’t think Mexico has healthcare you need to take a step back and check your biases.
does having healthcare means having the right to access or actually receiving healthcare?
before you ask, I live in Mexico, so please enlighten me in how accessible is free healthcare in Mexico
I’m not certain what your question means. Are you saying that you personally have “free healthcare” but don’t have the right to use said healthcare? Because this reads like you are barred from healthcare for some reason.
Or are you saying that there are literally no healthcare providers in the country, or even within a “reasonable” distance, where reasonable can be up to an hour drive?
Edit: To be clear, I don’t think an hour drive is reasonable. But it’s a common thing in the US and Canada which most would agree “have healthcare.”
lol I’m not barred from healthcare, that is not the issue
the question is, what is healthcare to you? we don’t have enough doctors, no medicines, no supplies, no beds, our hospitals are barely functional thanks to lack of maintenance.
instead of giving more funds to our public healthcare they are stretching it even more, they won’t even make new clinics, they are repurposing other clinics for specialized healthcare to make room for this policy
cool now we have universal access to a declining healthcare system where nobody wants to go because it is less stressful to just suck it up and medicate yourself (you would be paying for the meds anyway) instead of spending a whole day waiting inside a clinic on the summer heat with no AC
and that’s if you are lucky enough to be in an urban area, rural clinics are in even worse conditions and anything other than a flu would require you to go to a city (as you said, an hour drive minimum but way more depending on the area)
You’re a dick
one joke.
not free; tax funded
Which is great! Taxes should be invested in citizen’s needs.
Free as in “free at the point of service”.
Of course it is paid for somehow.
But as far a a someone going into a hospital to get a cast, medicine, birth… It’s freeYes I mean nothing is free if we try to be strict about it. The word would have no meaning. I think we all understand “sold at zero price” but there are always people in the crowd who want to pop up and say “it’s not free! someone pays!” Typically their next move is to start breaking down who pays and why it’s unfair. I have no patience for them.
I dont have patience for those people either, but in general a lot of people feel taxes are the state taking away money. Where i live this is true for large corpo’s and rich folk (‘the state should not waste money on things people can pay for by themselves’ is how they tend to put it here), but also by people with low wages tend to complain about how the state robs them. Reminding them how things they use are funded by the taxes they pay (roads, hospitals, police, education) can help them; because here they tend to fall for the retoric of the parties serving the rich and they sometimes truly believe the country would be nicer if they paid less taxes (not understanding they would have much more trouble paying for things like education and healthcare). For that reason I much prefer ‘tax-funded healthcare/public transport/education’, as calling it free is like giving a weapon to the group of people and corporations trying to lower their tax burden (and getting out of their responsibilities as the heavy lifters of funding public services).
Even setting aside the deceptive propaganda around this, “they” meaning right wing voters of modest means, still have two problems with tax funded services of any kind. The government may not be “taking money away” as in making it vanish, but they are taking away the choice of how that money should be spent. Conservatives see a moral hazard here where their taxes will pay for the poor lifestyle choices of others - and actually they are right, just not the way they think they are. It’s not abortions for slutty brown women they should worry about but metabolic syndrome brought on by their own white neighbors horrible diets that will burden the system most.
Their other problem is they don’t want to benefit from this kind of public good themselves. They see it as “taking charity” and although white people accept plenty of advantages, they like to stay proud about it. It doesn’t help to say “look, you’re getting something here.” So there just isn’t any way of making them comfortable with the setup, even when it isn’t being grossly distorted to them.
The whole “I don’t take no charity” is a very old American value and part of a complex system we have for giving people ways to feel superior to others. We don’t have a formal class system in this society but we service the same instincts in a hundred other small ways. Farm subsidies? Of course! Do you know how important farmers are? Healthcare supports? What… so I can pay for abortions for some illegal immigrant who couldn’t keep her legs closed?
We’re terminally stupid here and everything is about feels I don’t see how we’ll ever get past all this.
Conservatives see a moral hazard here where their taxes will pay for the poor lifestyle choices of others
I see a moral choice where my taxes will pay for the poor political choices of conservatives in poorer red states, but they also deserve free healthcare
That’s true. Unfortunately, calling it free is often used by people who want to paint it as infeasible, and is used as an excuse to cut funding—even when data shows it’s an investment with human and monetary rewards.
I like to compare it to someone sitting in math class, the lesson is on square numbers and they go “a square is a shape though”. Everyone who actually paid attention knows the relation between the concepts and doesn’t need to compensate ignorance with smug pedantry.
Conservative America is driven so hard by the fear of somebody poorer than you getting something you’re not.
America wants things to be free when it’s for themselves, but not to pay a dime to benefit anyone else
Conservative America is driven so hard by the fear of somebody
poorerdarker skinned than you getting something you’re not.it’s both, not one or the other. race is a component of class society but does not predate it and will never supplant it
Only in one place, don’t paint everyone like the USA.
Hey, are you saying we get free police
You get free police beatings. And if you’re stopped they will empty the money out of your wallet as “civil asset forfeiture”. So not exactly a cost but not exactly free.
As far as everyone except oligarchs are concerned, it means everyone can access it without getting financially fucked over into debt. And that’s excellent news.
incorrect slightly- while most boomer and right wing assholes know it means free at point of service and tax funded they act like it means “free for welfare queens and illegals” because they think daddy capitalist is watching them lick boots.
also money is fictional so i consider it “free” if it helps the people actually.
There are so many health services that can be delivered en masse at very little cost. I once lived in a “3rd world” country with state sponsored healthcare. They had an army of nurses in shop storefronts delivering vaccines and basic meds for common illnesses. Just walk in. Nothing fancy - one of them literally reused hypodermic needles after sterilizing them with a bunsen burner. But how fancy does it actually need to be?
That’s a thing in the US too, by the way. You can walk into a pharmacy or some grocery stores and get cheap/free vaccines for the current flu strain as well as the standard immunizations for a bunch of common diseases.
Most people don’t take advantage of it.
True that’s how I get my flu shots and such. It’s often extremely modest accommodations. Once my feet were resting on a pile of discarded coat hangers and other detritus from the drugstore’s retail floor.
It’s unfortunate that vaccinations somehow became political because it’s a great example of public health efforts for all being cheap with huge benefits
I agree, as a Canadian even if not perfect I couldn’t imagine having a pay system or even what the US calls healthcare. That’s the point of taxation, we get roads that are drivable, healthcare that is affordable and stuff like food standards, clean drinking water, education. The billionaires are trying to say everyone else doesn’t need such things so they can get a bigger nibble of the pie when they already have truckloads.
There is “free as in beer” and “free as in speech” — this is “free as in theme park rides.”
You already paid.
Too bad 3rd world countries like the US can’t do that :(
Why posting this 2-months old article now?
It’s almost like there is an exceptional amount of things happening right now in the world. We all have our own local issues and sometimes it takes a minute to catch up on what happened else where.
I’m just learning about it. I don’t care that 2 months have passed. It’s very uplifting and would be even if I already knew about it.
What the hell is your problem with it not being new enough? Why are you gate keeping here?
Please stop being a nuisance. If you have a legitimate concern about this then just come out and say it. Stop being an asshole.
And remember the old saying, if you don’t have anything nice to say, shut the fuck up and mind your own business. This isn’t hurting ANYONE to be reminded of it, and if someone, such as myself, is learning about it for the first time why are you trying to take that away from me. Today I’m one of the 10,000. Perhaps tomorrow you will be.
Better late than never.
2/10,000
How will this impact the medical tourism industry that Americans depend on for affordable healthcare?
Don’t worry americans don’t use public healthcare in Mexico, otherwise they would actually understand the struggle to get it
They just use private healthcare since it is catered to them while being cheaper compared to the US (I worked on medical tourism, all the marketing for these clinics is targeted to americans; most of them don’t even bother using Spanish on their ads)
It’ll probably stay the same. This administration is very aware of these issues and I doubt they’ll intervene. Private practice is already available to anyone who wants it, no questions asked.
Source: am Mexican living in Mexico
You’re not kidding. Some towns like Los Algodones built their entire economy around medical tourism.
Wel now it will be called Los Aldogones
I’m sure it will persist, as it primarily services Americans. And their money is still good.
If anything, we’ll see the Mexican health care system expand in order to absorb all the domestic residents who can now afford the same care
I’m sure you need to be a Mexican citizen to qualify for the program, I imagine foreigners get a bill. But I’m an American that expects a crippling bill from medical care so I have a bias.
In some countries they don’t even have the financial infrastructure to bill patients, so injured tourists get free health care. A big chunk of American medical bills is due to the cost of billing.
In some countries they don’t even have the financial infrastructure to bill patients,
That’s a bit fat-fetched…
That’s true, they fetch it from America.
Which countries? Asking for a friend
The ones i know: Denmark, England, Sweden, Norway
But I would imagine that most other countries with unified tax paid healthcare would be the same.
In Denmark (and I would assume those other countries as well) it varies depending on the factors. If you are a foreigner but are living in Denmark, or if you are staying in Denmark for a job, then you can apply for the rights of free healthcare treatment, but if you are a tourist needing urgent care, and are not a citizen of the EU (or the Nordic countries), or under the age of 18, then you will be billed.
So there definitely is a financial infrastructure to bill in Denmark, even though its own citizens never see it. Without knowing it precisely I would also assume that the bill would be very reasonable compared to a bill for the same treatment in the US.
I never went to surgery or anything, but I’ve been to a couple of Drs in Mexico and it’s basically just like paying the copay and just peacing out. Most of the time you can just ask the pharmacist and they prescribe whatever right there.
You’re overestimating the American Healthcare system.
We have free at point of service health care in Canada for those signed up to the plan. You don’t have to be a citizen just a resident and wait your 2 month grace period. For tourists and non signed up folks you pay the costs out of pocket, but they are reasonable compared to USA. A coworker wasn’t here long enough for the signup and dislocated his shoulder. Hospital visit, xray, sling, etc $400
That’s one of the things uasians don’t understand. Universal health care doesn’t mean there are no private hospitals or practices. It means you have a choice, but you are covered no matter what.
Yay! Also Mexico got free healthcare before the U.S.A. and North Korea may get a female leader before the U.S.A. gets a female president. Truly 'murica
Mexico better watch out. Idiocracy and The Day After Tomorrow were pre-cog documentaries
If you’d told any American 40 years ago that Mexico’s democracy in 2026 would make Americas look pathetic, they’d have called you crazy and then beaten you up. Not so much anymore.
They’d probably still beat you up. And then shoot you.
They probably still will…
USA! USA!
Booooorn in the USM
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Useless gesture when we have no medical supplies, meds, or just fucking AC inside our hospitals in cities where we have temps over 100°F/40 °C every day
It’s a start.
not even a start, we already had free healthcare programs not tied to employment before
Stfu you don’t know how lucky you are
si señor ya me cayo disculpe usted por querer hablar de mi experiencia siendo mexicano
soy un pobre indio tonto que no conozco mi lugar y deberia estar agradecido de poder compartir este lugar con gente como usted
Browsers have translate functions these days. Reply in whatever language you like …. Or at least a supported one. I see what you said and assume it was meant sarcastically
it’s the irony for me, trying to shut me off for talking about the situation in my own country while I’m doing to effort to communicate in their language
I’m not a stranger to the way americans treat us
cierra la puta boca
que agradable sujeto
me sorprende la autoridad con la que vienen a hablar los extranjeros de nuestra situación. entiendo que en lemmy muchos somos de izquierda pero si realmente creen que el gobierno actual de México ve por los intereses del proletariado pues están bien pendejos y probablemente lo sean si son gringos
That’s a bit like yelling at firefighters for wasting time connecting their hoses when they should be putting the fire out.
No no no, the firefighters SAID they are connecting their hoses but in reality there are no hoses, they spent that money for the hoses on something else and people have to put out the fire by themselves
There is a difference between putting something in paper and actually putting policy in action
Dang, I guess they shouldn’t have made this law then, huh? What a waste of time trying to create the legislative framework to improve things when obviously its futile to try to improve things. We should just accept that things are currently bad, and that they’ll never get better, right?
man what a waste of bits for this comment, yeah I guess, next time we will put a law to end world hunger?
but go off, it’s not like we have an issue where healthcare quality is declining in Mexico while the government is spending money on projects like Tren Maya, AIFA or more fossil fuels…
I’m amazed by you people, you will complain (rightfully) that trump has wasted a lot of money on his shitty war and his shitty ballroom while their people are suffering but when a self proclaimed ‘leftist’ gov does the same shit you will believe whatever they say at face value and ignore what the actual citizens have to say about it
Seems like a step in the right direction to better serve the people, as opposed to trumping being many steps in the wrong direction for personal enrichment to the detriment of the people.
I can see how you could confuse them …. NOT
Well now you’re moving the goalposts. At first you were just complaining that this step in the right direction is useless.
Can we have health care, if Mexico pays for it?
I voted her for this kind of policies, but reality is not that simple. Public healthcare costs a lot of money, and current facilities and personnel are in the stone age. I wouldn’t go to any public healthcare facility right now as my first choice. At least not where I live. Sustained investment and vigilance are key, and I hope that by the end of her mandate we will have something we could call a proper public healthcare system, not yet a decent one, but an existing one.
This kinda thing doesn’t turn on over night. You might be able to afford private, but very few will be able to. The American paid system has a 3-9 month wait for doctor visits right now in Tucson. My doctor also doesn’t even physically examine me anymore because they’re so rushed to get in other patients, because capitalism.
I’m okay with both opinions of capitalism as evil or not. The American healthcare system is, sorry, it is dogshit. No one should be living under that system, it’s only better than nothing at all, I guess.
As a Canadian living in the southwestern US because I physically cannot handle the cold, the healthcare here is worse than dog shit.
Public healthcare costs a lot of money
True. But private healthcare costs even more.
Dr .Simi login… (Very cheap Mexican drugstore chain, med labs and MDs consultation, even veterinary services on some cities)
True. But it only matters if you are alive. Look, I’m not trying to be cynical, we have both systems in Mexico, and I’ve experienced both as a client. I’m all for public healthcare, but if it doesn’t work, it’s only a pretty idea. On the private side, yeah it’s fucking expensive, but it kind of works for the ones who can afford it. Just to be clear, we agree.
Still something better than the US, where some wait (or are poor so they just need to go to the ER) until the ER when it’s too late. The only prevention is those with regular insurance and use it.
A step in the right direction. Thank you for sharing the realism on a clickbait title.
Mexicano Tijuanense aquí, I concur
Although the voter ID registration for existing and new phone numbers is dumb as shit. Complete erosion of privacy.
