Some accounts are deleting their posts after a few downvotes. It’s devastating on communities like c/asklemmy.
Lemmy doesn’t track an account’s karma like reddit. So, all downvotes will be isolated to your post or comment and won’t affect your account—unless you wrote something truly horrible.
Remember lemmy is a community effort. Deleting a post also removes all comments on it. So you are not only robbing the effort others put in, you are actively removing knowledge from the fediverse. Others won’t be able to find it through search and lemmy will seem lonelier than it already is.
who the fuck gives a shit about imaginary internet points?
And if you come from Reddit where people can’t ignore a comment with a different opinion and have to down vote it, please don’t do that here. We don’t need that negativity.
I think a number if post deletions are to avoid the negative comments coming in since there’s no way to turn off inbox interaction or notifications per post.
I know you can turn off notifications all together, but I don’t want that either. I just want to mute posts where I keep getting negative replies to.
I guarantee you that there are people out there who are contributing inflammatory or subpar material because you cannot mute notifications on certain posts
I can guarantee this because that’s exactly what I did when reddit went to shit. when they removed my ability to disable notifications, I just stopped checking my inbox for a couple days after saying something that I knew would get tons of responses. and I stopped being careful to avoid inflammatory comments, whether intentional or unintentional, because I just wouldn’t read my inbox. so the net contribution from me was a huge negative from my previous behaviour
They took away the ability to hide replies to your comments?? Just last week I could do it on desktop.
You’re using reddit??
Sadly Lemmy doesn’t have a community for my niche dinosaur roleplay game
… Go on…
true and old posts can suddenly get inundated with comments you dont want, like from tankies or someone making a baseless assumption and ranting off.
I was talking about this in another thread the other day, and somebody pointed out that, on the fediverse, every post gets pushed out everywhere. So, a user deleting their own post is just asking pretty please if all the federated instances will respect its deletion.
I don’t think that all fediverse clients/portals delete the comments along with the posts. IIRC, Voyager lets you look at the comments on deleted posts, at least I think I’ve seen my own comment after the post was deleted.
Yes. But by default the instances delete the content when the request comes.
Clients like voyager and summit do show your comment because the reference exist on your profile but others cannot discover it because the post itself is gone from all feeds.
So what you’re saying is it’s an instance choice (and instance admin) issue? Mine shows reply comments on deleted comments. You might reflect this in OP… Likely new admins don’t know to turn it off as well.
You have to modify lemmy or piefed code to not delete the post from server instances upon request. It happens automatically.
The comments stay and can be viewed on your profile. But they cannot be discovered by others because the post which reveals them to the outside world is gone.
Comments work a bit differently. When you look at a post, and a comment is deleted you can still see its reply comments.
So post is always the starting point of discovery. If you delete that everything inside is effectively gone—like removing the only door into a room.
Hope that made sense.
Thanks, makes sense now.
Still seems like a (server) code level problem to provide sensible handling rather than having to try to notify all users of an unintuitive behavior. I’m guessing piefed would likely listen, lemmy perhaps less so.
It’s a per-instance choice, yes. Comments though are handled differently. A deleted comment doesn’t delete the thread or any surrounding comments, just itself. The issue at hand is when a post is deleted it also deletes all comments with it. Unlike reddit where a deleted post would still have all the comments and discussions below it.
a deleted post would still have all the comments and discussions below it.
Pretty damn sure that’s exactly what I see. It just says ‘deleted’ or some such and carries on. Makes sense for an instance like .ml where censorship is the goal, much less elsewhere. Are you sure there isn’t an off switch?
No, it’s not a per instance choice unless you go and edit the code. Deleting a post hides the whole thing but comments are still available via a user profile.
Wait, deleting a post removes alle comments?
Like in deleting them aswell?
One of the admins on a previous lemmy server I was on absolutely cheesed me off (also, I donated to that server).
So, I deleted my posts to stop the server getting attention, especially a few of them were actively supporting the network
The admin was defending an absolute nutter who was admin on another server who was trying to shut down any opinions and discussions.
The rest of the admins were awesome, but after seeing that, it just felt weird to support them.
Mbin does have karma however. So it’s not like it doesn’t exist at all on the fediverse. Your karma is 1645 for me btw, though obviously depends on the posts of yours that have been federated to my instance.
Also, this isn’t entirely correct about Piefed. It does actually have a karma system, it’s just based on your up-/downvote ratio, not a number that ticks up endlessly. Some instances like piefed.social also have a hidden karma system that penalizes you for what it considers bad behavior iirc.
Mbin does have karma however
TIL. that’s quite interesting.
this isn’t entirely correct about Piefed. It does actually have a karma system,
I’m talking about reddit-like karma system that is based on up/downvotes you have recieved on all your existing posts and comments. This is the kind that encourages you to delete downvoted posts to boost your karma.
Well when you’re down voted on reddit they attack you and make you feel some kind of an odd sense of shame because of the hive mind that if you don’t show conformity to, you’re the odd man out and therefore, down voted to shit and nothing you say reached anyone because your comment gets hidden after being down voted enough times that it makes you feel like what’s the point of even keeping it up if no one’s ever gonna see it unless they get curious enough to click it to view the comment you wrote which might even have more value to the conversation going off the central point of the main question op asked, than you could imagine and again it makes you wonder why did I fucking even if no one gives a fuck to the point where what you said gets hidden. Not removed, hidden. That hurts.
So over time reddit culture teaches people to inadvertently delete posts when they feel as though they have no value and it sticks with people. That’s why people delete posts. Is the unconscious muscle memory of deleting something they don’t think anyone will care about.
Maybe it’s about the karma for some people but to me if what to say has no value to the people I am trying to reach then I will remove it. Period.
Right, I forgot the Piefed system is about votes you give out while the Reddit system is the opposite, votes you receive. I mean I did remember, but I forgot to use my critical reasoning there and notice the mismatch.
Some communities are banning users for getting into mundane arguments with other commenters.
No they’re not
I had some posts get downvoted for some stupid reason. So I just deleted them.
I thought my posts were well thought out nuanced takes on the current topic. But anyway. I’ll delete any post that gets downvoting for some unknown(to me) reason.
Including this one.
Is because you are molded and shaped by the community, so you don’t want anything that is against it left online.
Get rid of the voting system. It is a blight carried over from commercial social media.
Then how do you find good posts?
View count & comment count might be enough. Not saying I advocate for that, just trying to think of alternatives.
Have up/down votes, just don’t make the count visible.
When I left reddit I just quit. I didn’t clean up anything.
you should at least replace your history with gibberish or ai poisoning, couple of open source githubs that do it, dont let them keep monetizing your contributions
What’s a good poisoning one?
If you are coming from reddit, how do you get your lemmy feed to stay as ‘subscribed’ instead of it always reverting back to ‘all’ (aka a pile of rubbish just like reddit)?
The Lemmy web frontend (and other frontends as well) have a setting for which feed should be your default
Click save at the bottom of the page.
Thank you, no idea how I missed that, or at least missed the save button.
goes on a comment binge at 1:30am
wakes up to 20 replies in the notifications at 7:30am
what have I done??
can’t deal with other people’s judgement today
deletes all that shit
Or just let the replies sit unopened.
Are you sure people are deleting their posts? The last time this came up people went nuts making assumptions about the stupid things users were doing deleting their posts, and it turned out to be a mod.
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Or they go through your comment history to attack you and go running to the playground. “Look at where they posted!!”
