What is that gun‽ It looks like some kinda amalgamation of a bunch of different guns.
The stock looks like an ak but the magazine and fore end are screaming Turkish shotgun.
Looks like a G36c
Spot fucking on!
Perforate their pelvic floor.
Murder on the pelvic floor
oontz oontz oontz oontz
This is a new image/meme for me and I like it. The hand gesture gives it a little bit of a “witches vs patriarchy” vibe too. I don’t know if that means more or less coming from a random old cishet dude, lol.
I feel like I’m looking at modern art. It makes me feel so many different ways. It all comes together but then falls apart the more you study it. I feel a small amount of resentment towards myself for being attracted to it, but that also excites me at the same time.
10/10, would frame and put on a wall if I didnt live in a shared space.
The G36 makes this so much more potent than if it were an AR
It just taint right, being shot in the crotch like that.
You don’t shoot a guy in the dick, Butters
Just watch out for the ones with armored but plugs.
Please don’t shoot my taint
That big artery in the inner thigh. … Yeah you can die pretty fast if it gets severed.
Femoral artery.
there’s a similar one on your arm. the one they give you IVs in. fun fact i was getting an IV removed and i had a fairly new RN (first year on the floor but damned competent. third day on my room and we’d gotten to become friendly. i’m pretty sure she had a family member who’d had a port and had been their caregiver or something) and she had just popped the catheter out of my AC. she pressed down with the cotton ball with her other thumb and… missed. GOOOOSH GOOOOSH GOOOOSH GOOOOSH goes my antecubital all over the room and she turns green. runs out of the room as i slowly and calmly (because i am high as balls on the good hospital painkillers) reach over and put some pressure on. about 30 seconds later she comes back in with a big gauze, i have the bleeding stopped and there were five great big red streaks all across the room. And her now that i think about it i am sure i was so embarrassed i couldn’t look her in the eye. I think i traumatized that poor woman. i’m just like “hey” You really can’t control your instincts until you’ve been through it once or twice.
Dang, were they actually going into an artery there, or was it just a large opening or you were also on blood thinners or something?
I get an IV every month and they always use a vein, and any bleeding is just a tiny ooze. But I’m holed up for a matter of hours, not days+ as with a hospital stay.
my veins have always had good return when giving samples, and this was in the big through your elbow vein. antecubital. my preferred placement is basilic. the large looking mid-forearm pinky close to the elbow but not too close to it i can still move my arm without pinching the cath or hitting a valve. I thinkthat’s antecubital and the basilic but it has been a long time sing i taught myself anatomy.
as far as volume and force and velocity and delta vee i guess this was excessive even for me. i know there’s some blood thinner (warfarin i’m guessing) coating around a lot of IV catheters to help them last a little longer, but all i can explain is we used a larger cath (20 instead of 16) because i was really dehydrated when i arrived and i had just gotten pumped with probably 6 liters of saline because that was the last time my kidneys were going to feel sated until the next time my shitter got jammed.
Once at a pet store , I reached in the cage to pet a jumbo rat that was sitting out for adoption (cause I love animals) but it bit me. And just happened to hit some main artery in my finger (I didn’t even know bigger ones were in the finger,). I pull my hand back and literally spray blood, 6 feet in diameter around the whole area. It’s on the floor. The cage. The table. The shelf. Like looked like someone got stabbed. And it was just a small puncture bite.
I mean it hurt but I was distracted by all the mess. So I wrap my gushing finger. And try to clean up my blood that’s everywhere cause I didn’t want a minimum wage worker to have to do it.
My bf at the time was a very squeamish guy. I actually saw his lips turn blue at the sight and I thought he was going to faint. (Yeah a grown man).
So I had to drive us both to the ER where I got a tetanus shot and a bandaid. (Not much to do for punctures).
Also my insurance wanted me to sue the pet store but I refused. They called multiple times. Wanted me to say the pet store was liable for the ER visit.
Which certainly would have resulted in someone losing their minimum wage job.
The hospital wanted me to report the animal to have it euthanized. I refused (literally my fault. ). .anywho.
I just remembered all the blood. And it happened so fast.
Lucky it was just a finger and I easily put pressure on it and stopped it pretty fast.
I’ve never put my hand in an unknown animal cage again. 😅
i was on the way to the pet store later tonight (to get a therapeutic bag of kitty litter to ragepunch) and you may have just saved me from getting catscratched
A friend of mine got heart surgery through his inner thigh. That artery is huge, so it provides easy access to the heart without needing to go near any organs. It still creeps me out to think about it, on the other hand it is pretty awesome that’s technologically feasible and provides a much safer procedure with a shorter recovery period.
I had an arterial stent placed via the femoral artery. Trust me, it’s pretty dang nice having a tiny scar so high on my inner thigh that my hanging balls hide it instead of a huge one on my chest!
Femoral of the story
I feel like you can if you do the whole torso
Yes you can, these tourniquets already exist
This comment was written by Darth Maul.
If you aim too low, you’ll hit a leg, which can be tourniquetted.
or end up Robocop scene 27ing (don’t watch that unless you’re prepared to see a whole lot of dick get shot off)
So I know this is a shitpost, but a pelvic shot is taught by some militaries as part of an alternative failure drill (two shots to the chest, followed by one to the head if they continue to be a threat). Its a larger target than a headshot requires, and is rarely protected by armor. Plus, if you miss, the shot is more likely to hit the ground instead of continuing flight well beyond whoever you were shooting at.
So shitpost or not, its not the worst place to shoot.
And if you hit the pelvis they are combat ineffective and require medical evacuation. You have now incapacitated three people.
recoil also tends to pull high (if you’re not anticipating), so a groin shot if pulled would just end up centre mass instead, where a head shot would be a whiff
taught by some militaries
Also some police agencies.
More importantly, there are ‘junctional tourniquets’ now for armpits and groins. They’re obviously not as effective as a tourniquet around the limbs, but they’re around.
An abdominal aortic junctional tourniquet stops bleeding to any lower extremity or groin injury by cutting off the abdominal aorta.
More like JUNKtional, amirite? Up top! 🤚🏼
I’ve seen images of men with their testicles in a tourniquet and they did not look well at all. They weren’t even bleeding that much. It was less of a medical emergency and more of a hobby it seems.
I appreciate both your joke and, most especially, your username.
Avid practitioners of cognitive behavioural therapy
I get that reference. Lol
Who would win? Private healthcare or a Phillips screwbullet?
If the options are “Phillips head fucks shit up” and something not being fucked up by Phillips, assume the thing is about to get fucked.
Jfc I hope you’re not serious lol. These are self-defense rounds, meant to break apart inside the attacker or intruder, so you’re not shooting through walls, potentially killing people on the other side.
Part of a defense training class includes, “know your target and what’s behind it” for a reason
Nope, these are way worse. They’re supposed to overpenetrate. But they look like they’re supposed to expand and fragment, right?
Check it out: https://lehighdefense.com/reloading-bullets/xtreme-penetrator.html
They do really cool stuff inside ballistics gel because of the surface pressure on that flattened tip
Yes, it generates a larger cavity/hole than a JHP (jacketed hollow point) and the article continues comparing JHP to this new round.
A traditional HP is just that, the center is open, and it almost immediately breaks open on impact so shrapnel sort of goes all over the target. This is safer for everyone involved but might take several shots to stop someone because of the little actual penetration. Especially of a heavy canvas coat is worn it can severely degrade performance.
This round, is copper filled with a fluid from the sounds of it, but instead of the front opening up in impact, this his there target and spreads from the rear (the fluid moving forward causing cavitation part). This means the round had a chance to penetrate while also expanding and puting pressure on surrounding tissue which causes more damage. Still though, as it expands, it should greatly reduce velocity and not go through the entire target. A JHP might go on 2-5 inches or more based on design and caliber. Maybe this could go 6-10 inches. If it did exit, there’s likely too little force to do extreme damage to whatever else it hits.
I’ve got some in my safe, but never shot this particular round to experience it myself. I’ve shot all sorts of standard ball, FMJ, JHP, and composite or lead-free rounds of numerous caliber and form factor.
Not to mention the brand has Defense in its name.
This was extremely informative, thank you very much for sharing your expertise.
Oh shit for real? I’m stupid and sent you ones I’m not familiar with because I didn’t actually read it before sending. They also make them without fluid, just a solid bit of copper. Does the same thing but doesn’t expand
I looked up “fluted penetrator” and just linked the first thing I saw, so thanks for the correction and actually reading the article that I was being too much of a tool to read.
This is the bullet I should have used in the image and original comment.
All good man!! There’s a ton of different ammo aimed at different things, so no doubt too many overlap in names and specs, etc.
Holy shit that guy chose “defensive” ammo of .357 magnum lmao! Is there a .357 that wouldn’t destroy the target? Haha that’s awesome. The 9mm for the 2nd test is far more common, but interesting they’re going for penetration while still expanding. You’d think they contradict each other.
All I know is, I don’t want to be on the receiving end of any bullets!
Pro tip: shoot yourself with smaller calibers to build up a resistance to larger ones
Okay, so that’s the wierd part of them. The author says expansion but it’s not the bullet itself expanding on those. The idea is the bullet stays rigid but those fluted channels and flat nose push matter outward away from the bullet.
Yeah though, bad wound to try and do any kind of first response on
I cba to read all of that but I love seeing left wing ppl studying up on guns and gun safety. Cheers!
You’re both wrong, they’re for unscrewing really tight screws.
Just gotta make sure your rifling spins the correct direction. Don’t want to tighten it further.
If you fire them at an ikea bookcase it’ll disassemble in seconds
These aren’t really that effective compared to a hollow point. They create a big visual in ballistic gel, but in a more realistic medium they act more like an improved FMJ, but still over penetrate badly (which isn’t a good thing in most cases).
They tend to be recommend as a bear round, where over-penetration is actually valuable and desired.
The same manufacturer actually makes a deeper cut version that doesn’t over penetrate called the xtreme defender, which is generally still worse than a good hollow point in standard calibers, but can be a good option for weaker calibers like .380, where hollow point under-penetrate.
however, for 9mm and above, you’re better off with a standard hollow point, which is more effective and far more affordable than the all-copper xtreme rounds.
Also @sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz @HikingVet@lemmy.ca @GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world
Oh, good to know. But how do you assess value? I know we like hp for transferring force but my personal attraction to these was exit wounds.
Also according to a article I linked later, they break bones?
That Paul Harrell video is good, though. This was the first skeptical tests I’ve seen put on them. I’ll subscribe to his channel
When it comes to pistol calibers, raw kinetic energy isn’t really a factor, they’re just too weak to actually induce any sort of hydro-static shock that could cause a permanent rupturing of nearby tissues, you need much higher velocities or energy to do that that, which only rifle rounds or shotgun slugs can reliably induce.
For pistols, the only mechanism of action they can rely on is the mechanical size of the bullet itself, as the bigger the bullet, the larger the hole, and thus the faster the blood loss. Hollow points are the best method to cause bigger holes.
Ballistic gel is a somewhat deceptive testing media, as it can show a big permanent wound cavity beyond the size of the bullet itself, which isn’t actually how it would perform real tissue, which is able to stretch much more than ballistic gel. What really matters for pistol rounds are being able to expand as much as possible while also maintaining adequate penetration (12" in gel), so that you can reliably penetrate bone and muscle to reach critical organs from any angle. You also want to ensure that the specific hollow point chosen isn’t prone to being plugged by heavy clothing if you live in colder environments.
LuckyGunner provides the best comparison of bullets that I’ve personally seen for every pistol caliber, allowing you to avoid bullets that don’t adequately penetrate, expand, or over-penetrate.
All pistol defensive pistol calibers break bone when struck, the xtreme penetrators will simply penetrate further and through more bone than a hollow point. This makes it act similarly to a hardcast (ultra hard lead that doesn’t deform) flatnose bullet, which are also usually only recommended for bear protection.
Over-penetration is an extremely negative trait in personal defense against humans, as it means that the bullet will pass through the target into anything behind them, including innocent who you do not intent to hurt. In self defense rounds you want the bullet to stop inside the first target to avoid endangering anything behind them.
But how do you assess value?
Xtreme Defenders are a good value for bear protection, but are extremely poor value for self-defense, as they are more expensive than a good hollow point while providing less effective wounding characteristics and increased danger to bystanders.
Wow that is really disappointing. Is that why that Paul Harrel guy was using food items? And is 357 too slow to cause tearing like that then? Hydrostatic. I was lead to believe this would work like that because of the speed of that round.
I’ll look up lucky gunner, too. Thanks for breaking all this down for me. It’s looking like bullets have gotten a lot cheaper recently so I might as well get some hp.
Yes, the meat analog he uses, though not perfect, is the closest to a real-world test that a regular person could reasonably perform themselves.
357 out of a revolver is indeed still too slow, even with lighter bullets. Only in a lever action carbine does 357 start to reach the required power to perform some hydrostatic tearing, since 357 is really able to take advantage of that extra barrel length to increase velocity fairly dramatically.
There was an extremely comprehensive video done on real-world wound ballistics that I was struggling to find for my last comment, but I found it just now, once again thanks to Luckygunner.
He gives a summary of it here, and also made this video as a supplement, but if you’d like to see the absolute last word on firearm wound ballistics, I’d suggest this full documentary featuring Dr. Martin Fackler (but be warned, it has some quite gory NSFW images as examples).
I have seen too many AI images of girls with guns recently.
This looks old enough and accurate.
Girls are statistically better marksmen anyways
no you don’t egg
Are you okay? Are you aneurysm posting on purpose?
uh, no not really actually but i got it covered. the damn shipment is just one day late. AGAIN. I appreciate you asking.
Women can be very good marksmen. If the implication here is that I don’t think there are real photos of girls with guns that’s not what I’m saying. I’ve just seen two or three posts recently of AI generated photos of girls with guns that replicated the film grain and had this 90s feel to them. One of them was good enough that I didn’t even question it until I read the comments.
Gotcha. Nah im just being a stinker. I can see why someone would think this could be ai. By the time i had commented that had already been disproven
You got any stats on that? Because I feel like gender-myths shouldn’t be propagated one way or the other when they’re not true.
Because I can’t find stuff to support your statement.
What I do find is Men are more accurate than women in aiming at targets in both near space and extrapersonal space
Men outperformed women on both the extrapersonal aiming tasks, and women outperformed men on the task of fine motor skill. However, a male advantage was observed for one of the aiming tasks performed in near space, suggesting that the male advantage for aiming accuracy does not result from proximity
But then again also
The mid-points of a series of lines which were positioned both within hand-reach (near space) and beyond hand-reach (far space) were estimated by 24 women and 24 men. When using a laser pointer to perform estimations, women were more accurate in the near condition than the far, whereas men were more accurate in the far condition than the near. When using a stick pointer for the far condition, women were more accurate than when using the laser, whereas men were more accurate using the laser pointer than the stick for the far condition. There was no difference between near and far accuracy scores for either sex using the stick. These results suggest that use of a tool which provides proprioceptive feedback causes the brain to remap far-space stimuli as if situated in near space.
Being amazing at shooting is more an individual trait than anything tied strictly to sex.
I’m not saying women aren’t better marksmen, I’ve heard that as well. But I served with a bunch and none of them were especially crack shots. They weren’t especially bad either. I never thought it’s got that much to do with genes or hormones, really. So I’d be interested to see if there is science showing women really are better on average.
You didn’t ask me, but I’ve got something: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21390957/
I’ve understood that Women make better surgeons as well; for the exact same reason. Steadier hand.
I have no real source. Just personal anecdotes and what ive been told. Afaik, its not a biological avantage. Women just tend to be more relaxed and less prone to showing off which shows up as an uptick of performance in fields where precision is important
Yet I’ve shot with a lot of women. Like a literal army’s worth. There was no difference, except perhaps one leaning to men having the advantage, but I don’t see a causation other than Finnish dad’s preferring to teach their sons over their daughters.
However the differences I did see weren’t accounted for by any gender difference and the women certainly weren’t that much worse. I’d say the larger difference was city-folk vs people’s who grew up rural. Rural people’s could shoot, whatever they happened to have between their legs, (as well as use axes without putting their own ears at risk,) and city-folk were, well, less-able. Less trained would probably be the correct choice of words.
As I grew up rural, my dad made me shoot my first shotgun and .308 and an officer’s side-arm (which for my great-grandpa was a tiiiiiiny little pistol you couldn’t hit jack shit with from >10 yards) at the ripe age of 12 and my I shot my first AR at 13, I was fair bit more trained than most of the people I went to the army with.
But of those I did shoot with, I just wouldn’t say women are better marksmen. I know it’s a common myth, because the Soviets had female snipers. But that’s just it. It’s myth. Much like “carrots make you able to see in the dark.” It’s not straight up untrue, it’s just not true either.
Well me and the girls are better shots than any of the guys we shoot with but fair enough lmao
And I believe you are. But that doesn’t mean women are better at shooting than men. It just means you are good at it.
Yes. Thats what personal anecdotes is referring to. The other bit is what ive been told for… well my entire life lol
So much to unpack. Love the first gen area Playstation sweatshirt. This looks like an actual photo. What is that in the background? A toilet? Like in the jails? I need context.
Found larger version on tineye:
I don’t know if this helps though…
Never let them force you to wear pants
Well, at least that metal thing is a normal kitchen. One of 26,419 questions answered. 😋
Rifle looks like a Galil, so she’s probably got some relation to the Israeli military.
I probably just caused you to have more questions…
HK G36-C no?
Yes and I presume it’s an airsoft. The carbine G36 was a very popular 0.5J AEG Airsoft rifle for like 50 €
Trigger discipline, Sarah! For Christ’s sake how many times have we gone over this!?
If you look closer her finger isn’t actually on the trigger.
