Boy, the good ole days are gone when it comes to Windows. I am posting just to help anybody that doesn’t know. This is like a creepy wire tap. If you are actually using Windows 11, make sure to disable and or reduce telemetry in Windows 11 (Privacy). If that actually helps, I am sure there are more ways they send data back but the video link is a simple how to for the telemetry. Here is more info: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtg_s1GQiMU
There is zero reason to use Windows now. Linux has gotten so good that even a noob can install distros like Ubuntu and Mint. I have Linux running as my main on an old Zephyrus laptop after it arbitrarily installed W11 without my permission or prompting. Windows is spyware and gets isolated in my network.
There is zero reason to use Windows now.
Apparently accessability tools are still lacking for people with vision impairments compared to windows, especially on Wayland.
This is a rough one. Accessibility is severely lacking in so many tools and interfaces.
You’re delusional (saying this as a long time tech support for various new Linux user.s)

I was gonna say we should consider the average person that uses a computer but wven then I’ve seen people strugle to download from a .exe lol
(they use computers basically daily)
Finally someone has common sense
Agreed.
I still keep and use my Windows partition quite often, and probably will for a long time.
I do find that more and more finds its way over to Linux though, which is very nice
I’m sure I’m overestimating and I don’t care. The majority will keep using malware and complaining about it, while doing nothing to solve it. Not even the bare minimum of searching “what are my alternatives?” I know there’s a massive slice of the population that will live in PC hell until the bitter end.
zero for you perhaps, but I unfortunately need Adobe InDesign and Illustrator (and Photoshop but that has more alternatives), or similar software that has the many professional features I use
also need my games and mods to run on Linux… currently ProtonDB says my Steam library is 51% platinum and gold, and then I haven’t even addressed older or online games
I have to use those tools for work (more so in the past), but I’m on macOS for that stuff. That’s a cost-prohibitive layer though. There’s AffinityOnLinux, but I’ve never used it myself. Raster and vector editing are areas have been sadly devoid of comparable software on the Linux side.
Edit: small edits for clarity.
I’d recommend putting more time into switching to Linux instead of pirating Enterprise versions of Windows and then installing and configuring a bunch of third-party software that is supposed to stop Microsoft from doing all the Microsoft things we don’t like. That seems like it’s a lot of work and effort too, plus they are actively hostile towards users instead of just “not ready”.
Windows: constantly having to apply patches and run tools to combat the privacy violations.
Linux: install once, run updates regularly, never have to worry about the constant privacy issues.
I appreciate that those tools exist for de-bloating Windows, but that sounds like a giant pain in the ass.
ITT: a lot of people trying really hard to justify their use cases for Windows.
The Windows 11 cope…
Well, there is no need to justify a decision for personal use. But keep in mind there is plenty of corp software that literally can not run on Linux. Believe me, I tried.
Shove it in VMs?
Look, I hate Windows; literally the only device I have that isn’t Linux is my work laptop, and I purposefully leave it at the office. But this thread isn’t the place to bring up Windows hate. Someone’s trying to do a good thing with what they have, and, idk, doesn’t seem the time or place to get converts ig.
I got a new laptop for work, i could use linux for it, everything i do is within a browser, but it took me an hour tops to set up in windows 11 (well maybe a couple while i fiddled with settings, fuck you windows 11), jumping over to linux seems like an impossible task for me, who has never done it before
but i am planning to get a linux os running on my old laptop (8gb ram) that i use for torrents and streaming (browsers), i ran proton vpn. Give me a recommendation, maybe a tutorial i can follow, if you’re so determined, give me the nudge i need :p
As the other user said, get Mint Cinnamon on a USB. I moved to Linux last year (now on Bazzite KDE) and it wasn’t the leap I expected, more just a small shuffle. Everything is roughly where you expect it to be and works how you expect it to, but like actually where you’d expect and working how you expect. Like if Windows 10 had been designed just for usability without corporate interests clogging everything up. The only reason it may take a while to customise to your liking is that you can customise far, far more of it straight out of the box.
Ill consider it, thanks!
There are plenty of options, which is great, but also a cause of choice paralysis. Linux mint. Just start with Linux mint. It works. You can try it on a “live USB” before installing completely.
There are so many options, but since I assume it would be your first linux, I’d start with something that just works at once and does everything you say you need in your comment. Zorin OS will just work at once (I might not prefer this dist myself, but I’m 20 years in the linux game… this is a distro that just works really well for first timers, and it’s a good distro).
- Download the free Zorin OS Core version (it’s the full OS with no limitations).
- Download Etcher.
- Put a USB drive (min 4GB) in your computer, start Etcher and select the Zorin OS file (image) you downloaded and select the USB you put in your computer, press “Flash!”. Wait for it to finish.
- Restart computer and boot from the USB drive (usually, right after your computer restarts, you press F9 repeatedly)
- Fallow instructions and when done installing, restart and; you’re free from Windows!
- Enjoy!
Thank you for this x
Mine is simple: I’m used to it and my favorite games I play only run on linux with specific modifications that I have no time to figure out on a system I am unfamiliar with.
Time is the constraint. As a teen I would have simply taken the time to figure it all out.
Now as a family dad with very limited time I simply need something that works for me instantly out of the box with functionality that is at least familiar. Not just for the OS but any software on it.
Do you really need those games?
Is this a joke, sarcasm or the dumbest sincere question I have read this year?
Bazzite is pretty good for gaming. Most things I’ve thrown at it have “just worked”. The games that tend not to run on Linux are live-service games requiring kernel-level anti-cheat. I don’t play any of those, so it’s not an issue to me, but I know it is a deal breaker for some. I had one game that required me to use a different version of Proton than the one that came pre-installed, and that was as simple as installing the flatpak for it, then selecting it in the game’s configuration menu in Steam.
Mine are star citizen and path of exile 2
Those have KLA?
My reason is really simple: replacing Windows with Bazzite or whatever would be a lot of effort. If W11 ever bricks itself or does something hideously invasive (that I can’t disable or opt out of) then it becomes less of an effort than maintaining the status quo, and thus switching becomes the obvious choice.
It’s very very easy to install Linux. Only moderately difficult to dual boot
I’m aware of that. What all the linux fanboys here are failing to understand is that wiping out an old OS and replacing it with something new that you’ll have to learn how to use is something that takes effort and currently is unnecessary.
W11 currently works okay. I can still easily disable the annoying things and push off nonessential updates. I don’t need to replace it. Yet. If that changes, then I can go through the process to replace it. But there’s no reason for me to do so yet.
Linux fanboys proselytize more aggressively than evangelists do.
Come off it.
The OP is about the worrisome aspects of Win11, and we’re out here telling OP there’s an alternative that doesn’t violate user privacy.
Obviously learning a new OS can be an obstacle but how much do you value privacy? You’re sitting here saying it’s too difficult. You’re the problem, not me
We all have our limits - yours is a fair point of ease vs inconvenience. I think that is the market dominant force. That being said with how far any distro has come since I started messing around in 98… It’s close to being that easy.
Linux doesn’t even require installation, they use LiveCDs that you can use as temporary OS’s. They are also used to permanently install them if you’d like to do that.
There’s a guy at my local library that brings his own OS to use on the public computers, and just saves stuff on removable storage.
Glad I got out two years ago. Never going back.
Any idea about Win11 IoT LTSC? I use that in a VM, pretty nice, very barebones OTB, I use CTT tuner to just remove microslop edge.
I’ve been using Linux for ages but I needed Windows 11 for Unreal Engine 5.7
Microsoft … the poster child for Linux migration
I bailed as soon as they introduced recall.
Haven’t used it Sense and it’s amazing how much freedom and no bloat you have and never realized it.
And they even top the contributions chart!
Gotta love them for all they do for us, but man… they sure hate their users 🤣
It is so bad now, with all the ads and background services sucking up your RAM. I don’t think you can even use Windows 11 properly with 8GB of RAM.
I know for a fact you can run Windows 11 on 8GB of RAM. I just helped a friend install some software on his 8GB laptop. Now, did I spend five hours uninstalling so many things and snipping Windows down to size? Maybe. But it ran
I have 40 tabs open lol, I doubt it.
If my network connection goes down, I have difficulty using Windows with 64GB RAM.
Why on earth does losing your network connection make the OS unusable? Like, locks up the mouse and can’t use the keyboard unusable?
Ohhhh, that doesn’t make any sense. Sounds something like a “Dead Lock” situation.
Could be shortcuts referencing a network drive. Don’t know why this had notoriously caused Windows to freeze and stutter for so many years, but as soon as you lose connectivity it’ll cause chaos.
windows 11 idles at 8gb with only a few services in the background.
Dude I was playing Grounded (the original not the second) last week and my computer was so hot it was insane. I used to play that on my 6 year old laptop with no issues 3 year old gaming desktop shouldn’t struggle. In fact about a year ago it didn’t struggle. At all. Windows is just garbage.
I have never had problems on older Windows like Windows 7.
I miss 7. But my nastalgia lies with 2000
It’s been all downhill since 98
You can make Linux look like Windows XP, 7, or 10. Here’s a guide
Honestly I’m running Windows 11 Enterprise and I haven’t seen any of the shit people complain about. I have Telemetry turned off via a GPO (something Pro and Home don’t get), I didn’t get copilot shoved down my throat and my updates don’t crash my system
How much RAM?
16GB, I have other systems on 8GB that are also fine.
But do you run it comfortably with 40 tabs open with just 8gb?..
Hahaha. That’s your own damn fault. Close some tabs, and use bookmarks.
Think again. No it isn’t, I could do that on Linux. That is Windows fault.
Installed CachyOS two weeks back and I don’t think I’m ever going back to windows on a personal machine. It’s refreshing to not see copilot or one drive pop ups on every third click. I missed that clean OS feel for long.
I only use Win11 as a remote game server to play games with Moonlight/Sunshine without worrying about compatibility issues. To work and daily usage, it’s Linux all the way.
Just a matter of time until I transition 100% to Linux though. In the meantime I run WinUtil every once in a while to make sure to disable most of that shit.
Your data is spread eagle cross the block
Spread…

Is this a start trek reference?
tld;dr: no
While it’s the title of a(n awesome) song by Death Grips, it just seemed an apt description of your data with 11.
Popped a windows 11 laptop behind a firewall for toubleshooting, it logs all traffic that leaves that subnet.
Instantly flooded my logs with all kinds of bullshit.
Just spyware doing spyware things here.
pulls out typewriter
pulls out telegraph
edit: Dear Microslop
I have location services turned off in windows on my work computer and MS word really dislikes it. Whenever I do a side by side window with word included I get a notification (from word) that I should enable my location services in settings
turn off the ‘notify when apps request location’ setting at the bottom of settings->privacy->location
Insanity that word should even think to need location services. Wtf Microsoft, clippy would never.
Always trying to peek on you.
Windows deleted all my files that weren’t even in one drive this week when one drive had a melt down and killed itself. I stared in disbelief, thanked the heavens I just backed all that shit up recently, laughed, and installed Linux. Didn’t even bother to see if I could recover anything. I’ve been meaning to switch for a long time and just haven’t. Windows made it pretty fucking easy.
Linux Mint is surprisingly good. I have a extra Windows 11 PC with RAID, there is no way I can mess around and try to install Linux on it. It would for sure mess up all of my storage.
You could install it on an m.2 drive.
The computer is from 2009 lol and I’m not buying an adapter. I could get an external hard drive though or a big USB for a live version.
Fair
Happened to me a while ago, and killed the Linux partition. Between trying to restore everything figure might as week fully jump ship, plus was a good excuse to try a new distro.
For Windows 10 and 11 this is just scratching the surface and is next to useless for all the stuff they leave behind.
Use ShutUpWindows10++ (yes it work on 11 too) and THAT will get the vast majority of the stuff that this video doesn’t even touch on.
Please post a correct URL for shutup10++, as I googled it and found github/O-O-ShutUp10 which is most likely a scam.
Does https://codeberg.org/fossarchive/Win11Debloat do the same?
this is the one I’ve been using for many years: https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
This is another one of the windows negatives. There’s no real standard for tools that debloat or remove the MS malware and decent chance that you end up getting more malware in the process (that might even do what it says it does in addition to installing who knows what, so it’s not even immediately obvious that it might be a good idea to go back to the “wipe storage and install OS” step. Thing could even revert some of the settings later on to encourage users running an updated version of the script (not that I think most would bat an eye at their “OS optimization script” being a thing that continuously runs and auto-updates) and it wouldn’t even be unexpected windows behavior considering how passively hostile they already are with users trying to reduce their stupid shit in windows.
What do you mean the good old days of Windows? When does it been doing this for decades bro.
I used to sell pcs at Sears back the day. There was this one weird family I sold a 486DX to and the wanted just one more peripheral…a scanner. You could return entire pc purchases at Sears up to 3 years later depending on how loud you’d yell… Us sales guys would lose the commission and we were straight commission those days so I got into pcs by keeping my stuff sold. They had to have a scanner and I went out to support … Every trick in the book with himem and config…memory optimizers … Couldn’t get that IRQ … all my tech buds tried too. Finally I gave them a free (pre release cus we had it for weeks) copy of win 95 all set up - because it could assign all those resources effortlessly without one text file. Windows wasn’t always purely evil.
Windows XP was the best for me.
Dude in your hilarious if you think Windows XP wasn’t sending out telemetrics as well.
Not as bad, I didn’t even use the internet on XP anyway. I was a poor boy, from a poor family…
That being said I’m impressed with Linux Mint.
That being said I like Ubuntu for my smart tv that’s a old IMac
It’s probably very snappy on it.
a while ago, i watched a youtube video that opened wireshark on brand new installs of ubuntu and windows with no other apps open
comparing a paid operating system and a free operating system that has been said to have privacy issuesguess which one sent 500 packets in under 2 minutes
I believe I saw the same video. I’m now planning to switch from Ubuntu to Parrot OS.























