I feel like 50 First Dates doesn’t hold up
Heretic!
Blazing Saddles? For the time,it was genius…is the blatant racism still funny… I would say yes because Mel brooks forces you to evaluate it and then laugh or don’t laugh.
If you think the movie is racist… And not about making racism ridiculous… You haven’t understood a damn thing.
Wrong century
Breaking news: man doesn’t understand commentary of racial oppression in history.
Famous 2000’s movie, Blazing Saddles.
“You couldn’t make that movie today. They’d take one look at the script and say hey. We can’t make this. This is Blazing Saddles, this is already a movie.” — Mel Brooks
It’s funny to me that part of the reason this movie feels racist now is because this movie was genuinely part of making the wider culture less racist. It worked!
The black sheriff isn’t the butt of the jokes, the dumb fuck racists are. However, there are some gay jokes toward the end, but they aren’t too mean.
One of the most legitimate uses of the n-word in media is to make racist idiots look even worse. And the people of the land scene is pure gold.
What the movie is REALLY about is, there’s two groups of racists: There’s the elites, the governor and cronies, whose racism is borne mainly from greed and thus insaitable and incurable, and then there’s the townsfolk whose racism is borne of xenophobia and easily cured by understanding. World War 2 veteran Mel Brooks’ intended solution to the problem of racism is to understand that xenophobia is just human nature and that those people are best reached out to with civility and good intentions to get through to them on their level, and the way you deal with the folks who are intentionally enforcing systematic racism is to shoot them in the dick in the real modern-day street because nothing else will ever work.
“The Right” is content to laugh at the racism because that’s the part they like and they mentally check out somewhere around “throw out your hands, stick out your tush” and “The Left” would try to cancel Mel Brooks because “You can’t have white people in a movie saying the N word. That’s racist.” They’re over here trying to boycott Lucas Pope because a game he made 13 years ago has a “strip search to confirm gender” mechanic. The point Pope is trying to make is that brutal dictatorships sure are dehumanizing, but no, brains turn off at “I think that’s anti-trans.”
The problem I fear is that the number of people who are willing and able to ask “What’s this movie actually saying, overall?” is dwindling.
They’re over here trying to boycott Lucas Pope
Who is “they” and do you have a source about this?
I give to you: “They”
So, when you say “the left” is trying to boycott Lucas Pope over something that happened 13 years ago, what you actually mean is that one Tumblr account, which went inactive 10 years ago, once asked people not to buy his game. When you say that “brains turn off,” you really mean more like one specific brain turned off.
At some point, we, as a society, need to come to terms with the fact that you can always find some stupid person saying some stupid thing if you look hard enough, and that that isn’t representative of a larger movement.
Yeah. People act like this. It’s one example of a broader trend of consuming media at a surface level and immediately discarding anything “problematic” because simply hearing certain words or discussion of certain topics at all makes them uncomfortable. In this very thread you have people calling Idiocracy “pro-eugenics” because it made its point that low-brow culture that actually values stupidity and ignorance seems to be growing at an alarming rate in the context of a family tree. Obviously that means the creator thinks only smart people should be allowed to breed.
If I remember correctly, the “you know, morons” line was ad-libbed and Cleavon’s laugh was genuine.
It was definitely intended, but not in the script they gave him, it was planned like that to make him laugh genuinely.
Damn near all of them.
Which is an ironic thing to say in the Age of Trump.
The one exception (it did age decently) is Austin Powers.
They must have used the time machine to look forward and figure out what they could get away with and then danced as close to the line as possible.
Point of order: International Man Of Mystery and The Spy Who Shagged Me are both 90s films. Only Goldmember is from the 2000s.
The franchise could have an amazing modern day sequel if done properly.
There is no competition: Idiocracy, because it isn’t funny anymore when you are in it yourself.
It’s also pro eugenicist anti-poor nonsense.
Idiocracy is not at all positive about selective human breeding.
Yeah some of the memes are funny but the themes of the movie are pretty regressive :(
Aren’t the wealthy in Idiocracy also, well, idiots?
I thought the thing was everyone was an idiot
Yeah, but it is because the rich people in modern times didn’t have kids while poor people were, even having significant resources given to them to allow them to survive and reproduce.
I don’t know if they were portrayed as “rich”, but just a couple that was very careful and considered about everything. A clean and organized and empty house being a consequence of that. While trying to fit children in “properly” they never found the time.
Certainly the two preserved people were not rich.
Also, I don’t think the message was that “poor people” should not reproduce " as your eugenics claim asserts, think the takeaway would be that folks should find some happy medium, the people let planning and anxiety get too in the way of having the children they wanted, and the other example needed at least some more responsible sensibilities.
We live in a society. We depend on each other to keep that society functional.
We resent the effort it takes to maintain life, because that prevemts time being spent on the less.mundane stuff.
Humanity built rules and morals to keep us on track, but nature doesnt loose - it reroutes the river. Controlled breeding looses out to hornyness. And Entropy eventually topples the sand castles of humanity. Like giant avalanches of garbage.
The opening scene has no mention of genetics. Just that stupid people raise stupid children. Yes, in real life, a child can break free of bad parentage, but it’s rare and outside the scope of an 84 minute movie. In real life, the stupid people would be way, way more mean spirited, but that would make for a bad comedy.
I tried watching it after hearing about it here a few times… I was shocked at how it’s basically just a comedy for rich white conservatives. If anything its message is supportive of fascism; the whole premise is that poor people are stupid and rich people are smart, and humanity 500 years in the future has gotten stupider because the rich people failed to control the poors and got “great replaced” by stupid poor people…
why anyone on Lemmy thinks it’s good is beyond me
I don’t see how it favors rich, white, or conservatives.
The smart people are not explicitly described as rich. The couple in the intro just are overly cautious and miss out on kids. Certainly the two people preserved from the past are by no means rich.
I also don’t see conservative values as somehow aligned.
I didn’t see any racial split.
There was no implications that anyone should have “controlled” anyone. To the extent there was a message, it was that some people are overly cautious and should love a little, and other people might could use a bit more self restraint and raise children responsibily.
Though it showed the people who were not having kids, as middle class, and it showed the people having kids, as poor, it wasn’t a point in the story that the rich got replaced, only the smart people.
Wealth was never a point or even a subtle representation in the movie. It was certainly a movie written by a rich white man though, and can definitely be critiqued as having those biases.
Judge has shown time and again that he is very against institutional controls and concentrated power in general. All the “pro fascism” stuff you’re taking about are your own ideas for “solutions” to the problem Idiocracy poses.
The thing is, the movie itself is fine. It is self contained satire that never tries to pass itself off as more than an absurd joke. It’s that everyone is citing it as prophetic or relevant that’s the issue. Ironically, the people that can only process real events through their favorite fiction aren’t nearly as smart as they think they are.
XKCD 603 has never been more relevant than this
It’s a fair criticism but imo it’s not too hard to write off that bit of absurd narrated exposition at the beginning and instead think of it as being about anti-intellectualism and broken institutions, since the rest of the movie seems like more of a satire of those things, and the plot doesn’t really land on eugenics as a solution to its problems.
Mike Judge made a statement about it in an interview:
We live in polarized times, which means that for every ‘Idiocracy is a documentary!’ take that goes around, there’s also a critique that argues that Idiocracy is a celebration of eugenics. Have you thought about that interpretation of it?
Well, yeah. I mean I’ve actually read that a couple of times. But to me, I thought the opening made it very clear that whatever side you take, nature and nurture are both covered in that. That guy is clearly not a good father. I mean, there’s a kid with a motorcycle in the front yard, and no one’s paying attention to this. He’s just irresponsibly knocking up different woman, and proud of it. It’s not like he’s a good, upstanding role model for the kid. So I think it’s pretty clear here that, whichever one it is, [nature or nurture], there’s some combination of both. I obviously don’t believe in eugenics. I think you could look at it both ways—you have this couple that’s trying to be so responsible that they end up never having kids. Then there’s another couple who just irresponsibly keeps having them and not raising them right. So, you know, if the other couple adopted the other kids. I’m sure they would probably be better off.
Yeah the eugenics take always seemed a weird one. No implications that the family reproducing like rabbits shouldn’t have any children, just that maybe it would be good if they had a reasonable amount of kids responsibly. Also the couple that never had kids despite wanting kids shouldn’t have been so cautious as to miss out.
Well I can kind of understand it, because it pins the cause of a problem of declining population level intelligence on who is having children, which is a controversial idea to say the least.
The movie presented a problem within the human experience.
Eugenics is the fascist answer to the question of existence. Always will be.
When I first saw it, it was a comedy. Now it’s a horror movie.
It was funny when it wasn’t real.
I’d rather be in Idiocracy.
at least President Camacho knew they were doomed and was trying to fix it. Dickhead Trump is trying to speed-run our demise.
I know, sipping butter and watching Ow my Balls sounds better than working your life away. I can even be an airline pilot.
I think White Chicks is overall still a good movie, but Terry Crews’ character date raping the one guy so hard he ends up in a wheel chair was a bit too far.
40 Days and 40 Nights.
I really want a sequel where the ex girlfriend is fresh out of prison. I don’t even care about the plot, I just need her to suffer
That movie was so forgettable… remind me what she did again?
It’s a sex comedy about a guy trying to be sexually abstinent, and in the climax of the film he fails because a woman has explicitly non consentual sex with him, in a framing the film presents favorably.
I haven’t seen it, btw. This is the description I’ve heard.
He’s literally handcuffed to a bed and unconscious when she rapes him quite proudly
That’s because she wanted the cash of the pool. Remember? The colleagues were running a pool of which day he’d break and spank/wank/fuck. The ex- found the pool, placed a bet on night 39, where she raped him.
The silver lining of the film is to make longer connections with women with sex less prominent, and it’ll be better.
There is the culture of NoFap, which seems to become an identity after the film so…
I vaguely remember enough to confirm it. Yeah, that didn’t age well. “Men can’t be raped, bro”
Hartnett and Sossamon? Such chemistry.
…Is part of her probation to not to have sex for a month?
Part of her probation is not being hit by a car, and she violates it twice.
I have very strong feelings about her and her lack of comeuppance, and the many confused contemporaneous conversations I had about how fucked up her trespass was.
Not a film per se but I nominate How I Met Your Mother. Barney is a funny and great guy, but he’s also a misogynist and a creep
Ted’s a bigger creep. I hadn’t noticed until I heard a woman say it. Thought about it and she was right.
At least Barney is self-aware of the fact that he’s a creep. Ted thinks he’s a nice guy
The other day I wanted to watch a fun animated movie, and found that I’d never seen a Teenage Ninja Mutant Turtles movie that came out in 2007. Downloaded, put it on… and immediately greeted by the weinstien logo… then they had not one but TWO different Asian actors doing lines in the “broken Chinese accent.” Kinda ruined the whole movie for me.
Freddy Got Fingered
Oof yeah that’s a rough one
Soooooo did daddy actually want some sausage?
Some movies age like fine wine, some age like milk, Freddy Got Fingered aged like urine. It was sewage from the very beginning.
That is one of the biggest counter examples. Critical anger for daring to release the film. It’s considered a classic by now.
It’s always been an anti studio fuck you, and it’s brilliant in that regard
Yeah, Tom Green was fantastic, and his humor was always so much more than on the surface.
I watched Waiting not too long ago, for the first time since it came out probably, and they use some of the classic early 'oughts terms that we don’t use anymore. Often.
I don’t know if 2010 is allowed, but Get Him To The Greek would probably have to be up there. Russell Brand and P. Diddy together on screen at last!
Eurotrip - the whole dvd.
I clicked through rewatching some of it and it’s generically raunchy, like it was trying to outcompete the American Pie movie for sex references and topless women.
Yeah I don’t get the love of it.
mi scusi
I doubt remember it being that bad and Scotty Doesn’t Know is a banger. Miscuzi!
Damon looked like he had a blast.
here’s a fun fact - unlike most films of the time, it doesn’t celebrate sexual assault as acceptable!
It also is surprisingly not bi-phobic - both Fiona’s MMF threesome and Jenny’s European crush’s bisexuality are not treated as aberrations against nature, etc.
“Stay Black Bert” is a problem though.
Fair point.
Mi scussi guy, everybody at the beach, the hooligans, and literally the entirety of Cooper’s character seems like a way bigger deal than stay black bert lmao.
I rewatched not long ago and would argue it remains one of the best raunchy teen comedies, not like that’s a high bar but I was still laughing through it.
I mean, the guys at the beach are being mocked for being perverts who women correctly avoid.
The hooligans . . . . I agree it’s not good to let people think being English is acceptable, but they are taking the piss out of Italians, so it’s a hard call . . .
Bruh what…you complain about “stay black bert” then make that joke.
Yeah, call me when American Eyeties are being incarcerated and killed by police at numbers far outside anywhere near representative to their population percentage.
Then you double down by dropping an actual fucking slur while completely forgetting the actual history of Italians in America. Fuck off, racist piece of shit.
The Mi Scussi guy is the best part of the film, and honestly I feel like that scene is even more relevant today then it was back then. Perverts should be mocked and ridiculed like they are in this film even moreso today!
Mi Scusi guy is also the Straight To Jail guy from parks and recreation, which I would NOT have realized without looking at his IMDB page.
Hard disagree
Bring It On, which is surprising.
Just a little too much casual rape dismissed as “digits slip.”
I kid you not, I was a male cheerleader, and I had that happen to me (not on purpose). Bloomers are required for a reason.
Cheerleading as a whole is incredibly tied in with patriarchy and sexualization of minors to begin with.
I haven’t thought of it in years but i suspect me myself and irene might have some questionable parts.
I highly recommend the first few episodes of “dead like me” though. Perfectly captures the y2k/bondi blue imac g3 aesthetic.
Dead like me is great. I wish they had the chance to completely finish the story.
I love Dead Like Me, but the problem is Ellen Muth seemed to just give up midway through the first season and her IRL eating disorder showed. So many of the other characters were pulling their own weight but even they couldn’t carry it.
I did a marathon in the last year and it was difficult to get through the last few episodes…let alone the movie
Was “dead like me” the oen about the pathologist who was a brain eating zombie?
No, dead like me was the girl who got killed by an airplane toilet, and then worked as a grim reaper
Okay I missed that one. What was I thinking of?
iZombie?
Are you thinking of Santa Clarita Diet?
7 Dwarfs - The Forrest is not enought
In german there is a joke being done i think 3 times:
“Holt den Jäger!” (Get the Hunter!) a black Person walks in “Den Jäger, nicht den Nxxxx!” (The Hunter, Not the N-Word)
Yeaaaah…do i need to elaborate? 2006…what a different time of society, especially in germany.
Then there is basicly all of the Star Trek Parodies “(T)Raumschiff Suprise” by Michael Bully Herbig As well as the “Schuh des Manithu” Movie.
The only one of those I saw back in the day was Schuh des Manitu and it was already god awful then. 90% of the jokes are basically “haha gay people funny”. While I don’t think Germans necessarily lack humor, Germany’s most mainstream comedians really don’t help to disprove the stereotype.
Michael Bully Herbig isnt mainstream. That it is only “gay = funny” is wrong. Yes it is not a complex movie. It falls more in the same categorie that “Naked Gun” falls into. A spoof. A spoof of western, as it is the case here. They are quite similar in humor.
“God awful” it isnt. It won multiple awards and is still cult today. Sounds more like it wasnt your personal taste. In what language did you watch it?
