I’m in recovery and ever commercial is “the bold refreshing taste of uncle berry lemon twist vodka. Having a bad day? Drink this. You know you want to. Drink it Michael! please drink responably
Every ad portrays drinking as a party, and your in a pool throwing a beach ball with your friends, and your ex Chrissy finally admits she was wrong. It’s an unrealistically positive. If you drink Tito’s your father in law will finally grow close to you. It’s not Christmas without even Williams egg nog!
There is no safe amount of alcohol to drink. It is like cigarettes, entirely bad for you.
I’m not saying don’t sell it but why is every add for booze being blasted every. Especially to me because the algorithm knows I’m an alcoholic.
How is that legal?
Please drink responsibly? You’re aiming your ads at alcoholics primarily.
It’s like advertising morphine on skid row. You know what you’re doing.
Edit: for the people saying I’m America centric. I have a Texas education.what the hell is the US? Nothing is beyond our boarders. We are the only land mass. Ill add a picture in the comments.
For the people who happily explained what it’s like in thier country. Makes me feel less crazy for pointing out the problem!
The proof that there is only Texas as promised.
That’s… not at all where the asteroid belt is. This tracks for Texas hahahaha
There is no safe amount of alcohol to drink. It is like cigarettes, entirely bad for you.
Not a great analogy. You’ve just decided the cons of drinking outweigh the pros.
There is no safe amount of alcohol.
For example: you just decided the cons of hitting your head with a rock outweighs the pros.
There is no safe amount of hitting yourself in the face with a rock.
You could argue “what about the red wine studies!” Those benefits are debatable at best with a single glass of red wine.
Either way it’s irrelevant because if I meant wine I would’ve said wine.
More importantly I don’t see a lot of wine commercial. The current level of wine advertising is fine with me.
The only thing you’re telling me is you’re unaware of the benefits. Making absurd, obviously stupid comparisons won’t convince anyone.
Alcohol can help relax muscles, ease headaches and help you overcome performance anxiety.
A typical beer can pacify and numb mouth sores without aggravating them.
If you’re planning to reply with another obviously moronic comparison, choose better instead.
Sorry I was in rehab.
Clearly you are unaware of the pros of hitting yourself in the face with a rock. It helps you sleep, helps with high blood pressure…
The fact of the matter is there is no healthy use of alcohol. They make pills that are prescribed by doctor for what you are describing. No doctor is going to prescribe drinking alcohol because it is only negative.
I’m sorry you are struggling with accepting alcohol as a bad habit but that doesn’t make me stupid. It just means you are unwilling to face it.
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Bit of a shot in the dark, but seems like cigarette companies have lied in front of congress / courts saying cigarettes are healthy / not bad for you and have been caught red handed in their lies.
Big alcohol hasn’t ever done anything that egregious. Everyone knows its not exactly healthy to drink, and Big Alcohol doesn’t seem to have ever argued that. I know there’s the occasional “a glass of red wine is good for your heart” stuff, but they’re also not making any attempt to deny a gallon of wine per day will probably cause cirrhosis, ya know?
Just adding. The liquor industry has been pushing the ‘drink responsibly’ line for decades. Back in the day they tried to get an AA member to sign on as a spokesperson but AA asked the member not to do it and they agreed.
Just FYI, the 1 glass a day study didn’t exclude ex alcoholics, so they polluted the zero-glass-a-day group with bad health making the 1-glass-a-day look healthier in comparison.
The study has been redone and it shows that the less alcohol you consume the better it is, no exceptions.
Yeah, in terms of individual health, I have no doubt that avoiding alcohol all together the best bet.
Personally, I subscribe to a flavor of “social lubricant” take on alcohol. That is, being a human and managing all the required social interactions and minor slights, stressors, stigmas, etc is a lot. And alcohol works to turn off some of the parts of the brain most active in social situations. That is to say that alcohol (and/or other mood altering drugs) are bad for the individual, but good for society.
Do need to caveat that take with: there’s a left and a right to what’s acceptable levels of intoxication. I don’t think the world would be better with everyone getting outright shit faced every night, and even a glass every night might be excessive; its easy to fall prey to addiction and that’s undesirable. But also, I don’t think we’d be better off without alcohol all together. I think a couple glasses per week - and not drinking those glasses alone - makes for a healthy enough middle ground.
There’s a good reason we’ve had alcohol for almost as long as we’ve had civilization, and I think you hit on some key points of it here. It’s a social lubricant, many important meetings and decisions of history might not have happened without a little drink to loosen some tongues.
That’s not to say that it’s good for you, but alcohol has been present alongside human evolution in sort of the same way that dogs have. We go waaayyyyyy way back together.
alcohol … bad for the individual, but good for society
Alcohol is ranked as society’s most harmful drug, because no, for way too many people it’s not just a few drinks per week in a healthy social setting. It’s also one of the few drugs where you can literally die during withdrawal.
Yup, and I think that’s a symptom of how isolating modern society is (as opposed to the disease society suffers from).
I def do not advocate for drinking alone in any quantity, but I would also never advocate to remove alcohol from society. It feels reasonable to conclude that since every society that’s ever had success at some level has had some form of mind altering substance (usually alcohol) that was consumed recreationally and regularly.
You can’t remove it, its too easy to make. It doesnt need to be advertised though.
Well I mean, why stop at just alcohol ads? I say we ban them all.
^^ Only kinda joking there. I do hate ads, esp those that interrupt whatever content I was involved in (TV, streaming, pop-up). Ones that just kinda set on the side are mostly okay (billboards, banner ads, those pamphlets at hotels, etc).
Alcohol has also just been more prevalent in human cultures dating back to prehistory. Some of the earliest evidence we have of permanent human settlements were breweries, theorized to have been built by people who still lived semi-nomadic hunter-gatherer lifestyles. That would mean that humans first started making permanent settlements and doing large-scale agriculture only to produce alcohol, and still mainly relied on hunting and gathering for their caloric needs. Other drugs / intoxicants have been used by humans for at least as long, but none have been so central to the development of civilization and culture than alcohol.
Yeah, I could never fly an economy flight without a drink or three to lighten the spirits.
… drink or three…
… lighten the spirits.
I see what you did there.
It took decades of fighting to get smoking banned, and if everyone and their uncle didn’t have a parent dying of lung cancer, it probably wouldn’t have happened.
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Does this include vaping though? The kids are just getting their nicotine in a different form now
Vaping is not as big as pouches of nicotine promoted by cunts.
Well, there are places where it is illegal. EU for example.
But of course they get around that by advertising their “0.0%” beers etc.
There is no EU law forbidding alcohol advertisements. Most EU countries have a mix of local laws and self regulation, and only a few of those fully forbid it.
That loophole is closed in Norway at least.
Can’t even advertise for a Heineken T-shirt if you wanted to
Did you guys get rid of that “sändarlandsprincipen” or whatever it is? For beer and such, they usually still do the 0,0% shit, but there’s tons of commercials for wine and liquor, which don’t exactly sell alcohol-free versions…
And if it’s not alcohol commercials in Sweden, it’s commercials for online casinos, which is also supposed to be illegal to advertise.
One thing you see in the alcohol adds, no one ever actually drinks on screen.
I am aware of that. I just don’t see that as “problem solved” when they show a nice bourbon being poured onto clear ice.
I think about this with grocery stores. All you want is some cereal and there’s a giant aisle of temptation people have to walk through
Considering the liquor is off to the side, no, you don’t need to walk through it to get to the cereal. Let’s not imply that more regulation is needed
Absolutely is when you’re shopping in Germany.
The law is different in different parts of the world. In some parts of the world, alcohol can only be purchased in specialty stores. In other parts, it can be bought effectively anywhere.
In line with OP’s question, CVS made a big deal about banning the sale of tobacco in all its pharmacies a decade ago, saying it could not sell tobacco products and be a health care provider at the same time. However, in some states, a CVS will have rows of alcohol for sale because it is legal to sell there.
Depends on the store
How is that legal?
Those considerations are always a trade-off. How much government should interfere with an industry, especially one that’s been around since we monkeys climbed down from the trees? There isn’t just the plight of alcoholics to consider. An advertisement ban would affect business and jobs. It would take a considerable chunk out of the advertising market that when gone world affect media, an already struggling industry. And AA doesn’t quite have the deep pockets for lobbying. It’s legal because it’s complicated, not because it’s just.
I happen to agree with you here; ads for alcohol should be banned along with those for any sort of gambling and prescription medication while I’m at it. This “drink responsibly” campaign is an effort to make it harder for lawmakers to decide. I’m reminded of that Soviet Union quote and i’m paraphrasing: we know that they know that we know that they know they’re lying yet the lying continues.
One day at a time.
Gambling also has that little “see we care” bit at the end
“Ifyouorafamikyhasaproblemgamblinghelpis available “
“See we are offering help.”
You seem like you got a good head on your shoulders.
Couldn’t an angle be worked that specifically targeted adds to those in recovery are as egregious as saying it’s healthy? Like all my targeted adds are booze and bar accessories.
Same I’m sure with gambling addicts.
That we could target. I think everyone can agree that’s pretty messed up.
As I said, I agree with you. As another commenter said, big tobacco lied and got caught and punished. Big booze hasn’t risen to quite that level. Additionally and unfortunately, alcoholics and gambling addicts are probably a relatively small part of the population and less likely to vote. And politics is a numbers game. We live in a relatively fucked up world. Where convicted sexual assaulters can still be president. Where the only person convicted from a pedophile gang is a woman. And where you need to be stronger than most of us to not fall off the wagon. But you can translate this justified anger into political change. This must be an issue that has an action group in politics somewhere, which you could seek out and support.
Lobbying. Big Liquor is in everyone’s pocket.
It’s because cigarette companies started to advertise to kids.
Cigarettes cause more deaths: 8 million per year compared to 2.8 million per year. Not disagreeing with you, just pointing out why perhaps there are more lenient rules.
Similarly, why are they allowed to advertise every fancy new and half untested medicine out there?
Like, take such and such drug to eliminate pimples, but possible side effects are hair loss, heart attack, brain bleeding, rectal leakage, miscarriage, loss of fingernails and toenails, blah blah…
“Ask your doctor if Nwxalviva is right for you”
“Yeah, I know you went through 8 years of med school and internships and have years and years of experience and ongoing education, but I heard part of a 30 second commercial playing in the background so I think I’m pretty well qualified to make this suggestion to you…”
It’s just “ask your doctor if a company making Nwxalviva already pays them or not yet” in disguise
Money. Cigarette ads were justly banned. The Marlboro Man and Joe Camel were iconic brands. The latter was designed specifically to encourage kids to smoke. As a kid, I thought Joe Camel was cool as shit. I didn’t want to smoke because of him, but I liked his vibe. (It wasn’t lost on me that his head was shaped like a penis; that was an intentional design choice, but he was still a cool dude.) That said, when I turned 18 and I tried smoking, I bought a pack of Camel filters, but that was because it was my mom’s brand. I tried like two. Decided it wasn’t for me. My mom’s only beef was that I bought a hard pack — she always bought soft packs. I never got that. Anyway, she got 18 smokes for free, and even back when they were $1.50 a pack, that was a heck of a deal. (Fortunately she did not make me chain smoke the rest of them. I learned my lesson. Plus, I was 18.)
basically alcohol gets a pass because its a drug that has been in use since the stone age. Im a big “victimless” crimes person and I would like to see much legalized but I would like them all put into a category where its allowed at home or at licensed establishments and advertising is limited to private residences or at businesses that are in the category. I would restrict the signage for the businesses to. So the brothel, race track, casino, dispensiary, liquor store would look rather non descript from the outside but all would have controlled entry to only allow adults and inside it would likely be filled with ads for other establishments.
I agree with everything. I want to add, a lot of drugs have been used since the stone ages. Animals, not just humans, tend to use drugs fairly commonly. It’s only a modern thing to think they’re purely bad.
With that said, modern drugs often remove them from their cultural context, and are in higher purities and larger quantities than are naturally available. Chewing on a coca leaf is a lot different than doing cocaine, even though they’re largely the same thing (though the coca leaf has a lot of stuff that’s removed in processing to make cocaine). Cultures where it’s common, it doesn’t cause nearly the same issues as cocaine does in other places, because they don’t have the same culture around it and are sometimes getting a lot more.
I agree though; people should be allowed to do what they want. The government shouldn’t be deciding it for them, and neither should advertising. They should be free from pressure either way to decide what they want to put into their body.
yeah its kinda wild that cocaine was in coke but and there is nothing about mass withdrawls when it was taken out. It was a small amount and ingested though and who knows how it was obtained form the leaf at that time. I had a convo with an indian coworker around this topic and they mentioned their grandma chewing something that was like the basis of opium and it was just normal back then.
I agree with all that but is lime to see a tax on it to fund treatment centers.
oh yeah. I actually think everything should have at least a small transaction tax like 1% but thinks that are bad for you do a bit more. Man would day trading come down if that was the case.
Maybe day trading isn’t a very good thing. These VCs are gutting good business to make profit for one quarter and bouncing. Maybe the stock market should be regulated in some way.
Not sure where you live, but I think basically every state in the USA has an extra tax on alcohol.
Look up “sin tax”
I don’t think much, or any, of that is going to recovery programs though.
There’s a whole lot of victims of alcohol tho
yeah and a whole lot of casual users. kinda the same with it all but it does vary and obvious some are so powerful they have been used to make slaves. its like any self destructive behaviour though. hard to draw the line for other people without taking away self determination.
That’s how dispensaries in IL already are.
I see billboards for them all the time. the advertising is certainly not restricted. it and the casinos is the thing that got me. I like the legalization but hate the advertising.
Same could be said about onlyfans tbh
Ok yeah billboards. I forgot about those. Still, the storefronts I’m aware of are pretty neutral.
yeah but this should be the case with liquor stores as well. So basically the only way you should see an ad for any of the other adult activity is by being at one of the adult activities. as an aside though illinois implementation like a lot of illinois is sorta minimal. Really annoyed at the grow restrictions. Sorta hope it gets improved once they can’t suck so much revenue form the surrounding states.
