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Why would I use something other than firefox?
Well, I would recommend waterfox over firefox because waterfox has just straight up removed any AI stuff rather than giving you the option to opt out of it.
Sounds like a lot more work than just opting out
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I agree, but also Waterfox just generally has a more free/unmonitozed default and the AI stuff is just an example. It’s a one-time switch to Waterfox and it’ will forever turn off/on the stuff that you would otherwise have to do manually.
~ish, waterfox is reconfigured firefox. They have a single button sync on first launch to clone your firefox data over, it took me like 60 seconds to swap everything over. And you get a lot more than just removing AI from firefox, it’s essentially a preconfigured firefox. Removes a lot of telemetry and analytic stuff, strict-enforces better security protocols, prettier layout and stuff.
It doesn’t really buy you any new functionality, but it’s way quicker to just use waterfox than it is to spend hours configuring the weird shit like private DNS in firefox.
You can maybe try Ladybird (most websites is kinds usable now I guess)
the lead developer for ladybird had a controversy regarding transphobia though
while checking to see if anything happened regarding the controversy, i found that the same person that claimed that suggesting using gender neutral pronouns instead of assuming the reader was a man was advertising personal politics, the lead developer for ladybird, also complained about white men being actively discriminated against in tech and said he hopes “many more debate nerds carry on his quest to engage young people with words, not fists.” regarding the death of Charlie Kirk
i was going to link sources for everything here, but this article has all of them already and its easier to have a single link
I never knew about any of this, damn.
It’s not even in alpha release yet
Ohh yes, obviously not in the condition to daily drive, and you need to compile from source.
ight straight up what is the use case for ladybird? Who do you think is going to “try” it?
It doesn’t work yet - there’s not really a reason to “use” it unless you’re going to try and develop it
because Mozilla insists on sucking major ass? idk
Mozilla sucks more ass than Google in your opinion?
absolutely not! that wasn’t part of your question though.
I stopped using Brave for Peter Thiel reasons. Using Librespped, Mullvad browser, Zen browser and Helium. Helium isn’t fully finished, but looking amazing. I like options
Librewolf and you’re done, just look at the settings a bit if you need a website to remember stuff. That’s it, your search is concluded.
If you don’t use Firefox you want Google to control the entire web. Simple as that.
Firefox depends on google for funding and failed massively when they tried to go without them for funding. Google already controls the web.
Wrong. Firefox is still a valid alternative. While those exists Google can’t do anything they want. If they will go too far they will have the same issues Windows has.
- webkit exists
- you’re implying specifically firefox.
Ok, or webkit.
To be fair, still better than Chrome, though.
Not really. Chrome + crypto bro ad-ons by an ad company is worse than OG chrome.
It’s just a reskinned chrome, which is bad for the internet
It’s just a reskinned chrome
Well, so is everything except Firefox and Firefox forks.
And Safari
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“I put a wrap on my Tesla, it’s a whole different car now” - energy
There’s a lot of people in these comments that don’t quite understand browser differences… And forks.
Team Librewolf reporting in.
Librewolf logouts from all websites and also dark mode settings is reverted once i quit the program and re run. Is it how it is supposed to be?
Sounds like a “delete all cookies and session data after closing the program” type of setting.
Maybe try to look at your settings :)Yeah did. It worked fine now. Tanks.
Imagine reading the settings… Gross
Librewolf by default deletes all cookies when you close it. So that will log you out of every website, but that also makes sure things like tracking cookies don’t hang around.
You can tweak those settings if you want.
Waterfox is just as good with less setup work.
IronFox for Android standing by
What is the term for when the internet collectively latches on to hyperbole and half truths for something it decides to to hate; but the hatred is entirely due to the continued spread of those same bits of hyperbole and half truths; and also viciously attacks anyone who tries to point it out?
I swear, Lemmy’s hatred of Brave is like… mass psychosis? No, that doesn’t seem right. It’s like everyone’s argument against it stems entirely from surface level skimming of hit piece headlines. And then the vitriol is dialed up to 11, all based on shit that you learn is overblown to the point of comedy once you spend even a single minute reading about it.
Wait till you see the hard on Lemmy has for Jellyfin.
The unfortunate truth is that on iOS it’s the only acceptable browser option since it is by far the best at adblocking.
But you have to deactivate all the crypto stuff
Anyone with alternatives welcome (except Safari)Edit: Went on a quick search to find another browser. It is just not possible on iOS. I don’t want to download 2 apps and configure a dns just to not see ads ffs.
uBlock Lite is available for Safari. It’s free.
or if you’re not averse toto a paid option, Wipr rocks
Ddg browser
Unfortunately no adblocking
Incorrect.
Well, after a search, it turns out that as of June 2 2026 you can block ads on YT with ddg. It still serves you some Microslop ads though the search. Also it seems pretty strong at ad blocking.
I will start using that from now on and and see how it goes.
They actually have their own built in YouTube player. It’s nice.
In the early days, ddg’s browser used to block YouTube ads direct. But now it only blocks ads through the duckplayer.
An interesting thing about ddg is it does stop websites seeing how much battery you have. I don’t know why this is useful, I just thought it was a fun fact.
That’s actually really cool, websites can deduce the model of your phone by how quickly or slowly it drains (of course not on it’s own but it helps for fingerprinting)
on iOS
there’s your problem! My android phone needs repairs and I’m using my old iPhone in the interim, which is several months bc I don’t have a lot of disposable phone repair money rn, and my GOD the amount of ads and downright unhappiness I’m dealing with right now that I’d forgotten about thanks to android. No thanks to Google, obv, but Fdroid and the lovely FLOSS software that just isn’t available on iOS. Even my Syncthing is half broken because Mobius sync caps you to only sharing a couple MiB without paying!
Orion browser is fantastic and blocks ads out of the box
Unfortunately Orion is closed source. Though last I heard, Kagi was working towards open sourcing it.
It’s good that OG directly linked to the toot but I always hate when dates are cutoff. This toot is from 2024 when Google started introducing manifest v3 which prevented ublock origin from working, hence many people were looking for alternative browsers and Brave was one of the more popular ones. While I would not recommend Brave, I’ve heard the crypto rewarding program is opt-in and the affiliate link injection was removed soon after getting backlash.
Brendan Eich is still an ass though, and Brave has very bad business practices. Only recently Brave announced a 60$ (free on Linux though) minimalist variant that removes unwanted features like the crypto rewarding program, Brave VPN and AI chatbot which are built-in for the default browser variant.
Brave is asking for money to remove the bloatware it has added over the years and to be able to use the original browser it first released.
The fact that they did it in the past is proof that they’ll pull shit like that again.
And now you can pay $60 to get less of their features!
Also Pale Moon is still borked from the Tobin saga.
Firefox will sign you up for ‘Studies’ that phone home and disclose your browsing data without consent, you need to check this periodically. Turning it off is not enough, you need to check it as it will periodically turn itself back on with updates.
Waterfox is clean after you turn off crash telemetry.
Thats quite a claim about firefox studies.
Source on firefox re-enabling telemetry on its own? Mine never did it
What’s the Tobin saga?
Firefox will sign you up for ‘Studies’ that phone home and disclose your browsing data without consent, you need to check this periodically. Turning it off is not enough, you need to check it as it will periodically turn itself back on with updates.
On desktop? That’s fucked, idk how that’s not more publicized
I’m a big fan of the duckduckgo browser. Love me the burn-all-the-cookies-and-history bonfire button that make it great as a default browser and I click random links more confidently now that it’s my go-to.
I don’t usually take the software creator’s ideology into account if it works well on my computer. However, I stopped using Brave when I found out that it’s a company funded by Peter Thiel, the founder of Palantir and one of the most toxic investors around today. The combination of Brendan Eich and Peter Thiel has now pushed me past the point where I can separate software from its creator’s ideology.
I don’t think “toxic” covers the kind of evil Peter Thiel.
An actor with mildly spicy views on stuff is “toxic”.
Thiel bought a fucking Vice President and got him to do a 180 on his views on Trump.
This is the guy that Epstein sent an email to saying:
“Finding things on their way to collapse, was much easier than finding the next bargain.”
3 days before Brexit vote. Peter Thiel is named over 2,200 times in the Epstein files, confirming their extensive correspondence.
And Thiel did nothing but sabotage society for finding the next bargain. He’s a caricature super villain from James Bond, that should be at the bottom of a volcano somewhere not funding web browsers.
Technically the order was:
Buy
180 on views
Make him VP
He didn’t really buy a ready-made VP, he groomed him.
Brave Browser: “Privacy Forward”
Funded by Peter Thiel of Palantir, the most un-privacy corporation that ever pravacied.
That math ain’t mathing for me.
As others mentioned, Thiel is basically a cartoon supervillain. There’s definitely something more sinister at play that he’s trying to accomplish with this “privacy forward” web browser. Not sure exactly what it is, but I don’t trust it for a fucking second.
You don’t get ad revenue if you don’t specifically opt-in. Same with crypto support. You have to specifically set the wallet. I don’t care about the gender war thing and I don’t care about the investors. All I care about is decent browser with decent privacy and it works.
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